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« on: February 01, 2016, 05:26:49 PM »
Soooo, here's the deal. As many of you know i have been tossing around the idea of getting back into racing and Comp Jet is the logical class.

There have been discussions about rule changes and I know B-Rad is going to try and get the CJ888 rocking once again.

I don't have any delusions about going out and spanking everyone out there. I just want to be involved and do my part in keeping the sport alive.

Any suggestions, recommendations,  insight is much appreciated.

I've had my eye on a couple of different ideas as far as boats,  but was really waiting on things to settle out what with all the K, SS and PS capsule rules coming into play.

Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2016, 05:34:30 PM »
This is what I posted in the other thread that sparked this thread....in regards to possible rule changes coming to 2017 to slow the class down.


Speeds are not the issue in compjet when talking about safety. I have yet to hear of an incident that could have been prevented if the speeds were slower. It's like Obama putting gun laws into place that wouldn't have stopped any of the previous mass shootings.

Yeah, the class's numbers are down, but its not because anyone is dominating either. Shirl isnt the fastest guy out there - we all know its CJ123. But Shirl is more consistent than Jack's boat. But yet, Shirl has landed US1 several times now.

As you all know, the CJ888 is on its way to coming back to life. I do plan on doing something a little unconventional as far as promoting the class when I get back behind the wheel. It will give a chance to let people get their hands wet and be involved in the class. Personally, it was never about winning for me. It was about the overall experience. Even if I was dead last, I still had a blast. Like how it was in the NJ days. I want to bring that back and get more people involved to experience that comradery we once had in the class.

A rule I would like to see made is something that disqualifies the 702 boat. Sorry if this upsets anyone, like the 702 crew, but that boat just is not meant to be racing against the rest of the class. Its a safety issue, nothing personal. I don't agree with that boat and I know a majority of the class feels the same way.
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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2016, 05:38:13 PM »
Call me when you get a chance.

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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2016, 05:41:36 PM »
Call me when you get a chance.
Who? Me or Glenn?

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« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2016, 05:50:01 PM »
Who? Me or Glenn?

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Brad  to the courtesy phone.

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2016, 05:51:37 PM »
Brad  to the courtesy phone.
Ok, I will in a bit. Just left to have dinner with the gf.

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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2016, 05:55:54 PM »
Glen we are under the endurance rules, we run under the rule of the GN class not the sprint class rules, we don't have to have capsules

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« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2016, 06:25:17 PM »
Glen we are under the endurance rules, we run under the rule of the GN class not the sprint class rules, we don't have to have capsules

Thanks Jim,  I have just heard rumblings to the effect that there is the possibility of some "drastic rule modifications". I didn't want to build/buy a boat and have to sink another grip of cash to get it legal.

I appreciate the input.

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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2016, 06:26:20 PM »
This is what I posted in the other thread that sparked this thread....in regards to possible rule changes coming to 2017 to slow the class down.


Speeds are not the issue in compjet when talking about safety. I have yet to hear of an incident that could have been prevented if the speeds were slower. It's like Obama putting gun laws into place that wouldn't have stopped any of the previous mass shootings.

Yeah, the class's numbers are down, but its not because anyone is dominating either. Shirl isnt the fastest guy out there - we all know its CJ123. But Shirl is more consistent than Jack's boat. But yet, Shirl has landed US1 several times now.

As you all know, the CJ888 is on its way to coming back to life. I do plan on doing something a little unconventional as far as promoting the class when I get back behind the wheel. It will give a chance to let people get their hands wet and be involved in the class. Personally, it was never about winning for me. It was about the overall experience. Even if I was dead last, I still had a blast. Like how it was in the NJ days. I want to bring that back and get more people involved to experience that comradery we once had in the class.

A rule I would like to see made is something that disqualifies the 702 boat. Sorry if this upsets anyone, like the 702 crew, but that boat just is not meant to be racing against the rest of the class. Its a safety issue, nothing personal. I don't agree with that boat and I know a majority of the class feels the same way.

Thank you Brad.

Just didn't want to crap all over Todd's classified ad.

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« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2016, 06:28:21 PM »
Thank you Brad.

Just didn't want to crap all over Todd's classified ad.

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« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2016, 09:08:21 PM »
As I still own a compjet...the correct term is hosed down not crapped on...  :)

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« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2016, 09:31:24 PM »
Thanks Jim,  I have just heard rumblings to the effect that there is the possibility of some "drastic rule modifications". I didn't want to build/buy a boat and have to sink another grip of cash to get it legal.

I appreciate the input.

GT

Nothing drastic came up at the meeting.
Just a round table discussion to get us thinking of the future so we don't end up like the PS/SS and K's

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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2016, 09:33:19 PM »
As I still own a compjet...the correct term is hosed down not crapped on...  :)

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You ain't been hosed until you get behind an unlimited marathon boat.  Holy shit. Driving suit,  offshore lifeline,  neck support and full face helmet,  I thought we were going to have to go back for my head.

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2016, 05:56:21 PM »

A rule I would like to see made is something that disqualifies the 702 boat. Sorry if this upsets anyone, like the 702 crew, but that boat just is not meant to be racing against the rest of the class. Its a safety issue, nothing personal. I don't agree with that boat and I know a majority of the class feels the same way.

  I agree with you on the 702.  I made several suggestions to Ross about this.  I suggested that the V angle of Comp Jet hulls be no greater than a Rogers hull.  The narrow and deeper V of the 702 makes it a menace to the other Comp Jets due to huge water disruption of the race coarse.  I also have another problem with that boat as I do not believe he has a legal CJ engine...  My only recourse is to not enter my boat at any race he is in until he proves his engine to be legal with a P&G test.  If he is legal he should have no problem with this test.   I hope other Comp Jet drivers will also follow my lead on this as a mass boycott is needed to get his and Ross's attention...
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2016, 09:31:29 PM »
This is exactly what we don't want. Bitching about stuff on the internet doesn't resolve anything.
Concerns were discussed at the meeting, talk to some one who was there.
Call me, Terry, Tom, or Jack.

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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2016, 10:08:46 AM »
Ron,
  While I appreciate your view on this issue I would like to point out several facts:

1.  This is an open forum about jet boat racing and it is owned and moderated by Brad...  If anyone is to censure my comments I would expect it from him...  Last time I checked you were not a moderator on this forum.
2.  My comments only mirrored and supported Brad's stated position on the 702.
3.  Where else are we to discuss issues that endanger the drivers and the class?  My comments were not 'bitching', they were legitimate safety and rules concerns that effect the future of CJ racing.
4.  I provided Ross with detailed suggestions and recommendations regarding CJ hull restrictions for his use a the IE meeting.  Sorry I didn't make the 12 hour round trip drive, so I provided my input directly to him, Terry and Ted by email.  I do not know if my views were discussed or not.
5.  I spoke with Terry after the meeting and he told me that Ross had no confidence in the survival of the class and the discussion on class rules changes was not necessary until the class proved its self viable with strong boat counts.
6.  In order to advance the class as a viable entity we must be able to attract new drivers/boats.  You do that by insuring that it is safe and fair to participate.  My comments supported that agenda.
7.  In a separate conversation with Ted he stated that he would ban any hull that had the majority support of the drivers/owners.
8.  I would like to see rational discussion on this and other issues regarding our class.  You do not do that by shutting down views you do not agree with.
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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2016, 11:02:15 AM »
Ron,
  While I appreciate your view on this issue I would like to point out several facts:

1.  This is an open forum about jet boat racing and it is owned and moderated by Brad...  If anyone is to censure my comments I would expect it from him...  Last time I checked you were not a moderator on this forum.
2.  My comments only mirrored and supported Brad's stated position on the 702.
3.  Where else are we to discuss issues that endanger the drivers and the class?  My comments were not 'bitching', they were legitimate safety and rules concerns that effect the future of CJ racing.
4.  I provided Ross with detailed suggestions and recommendations regarding CJ hull restrictions for his use a the IE meeting.  Sorry I didn't make the 12 hour round trip drive, so I provided my input directly to him, Terry and Ted by email.  I do not know if my views were discussed or not.
5.  I spoke with Terry after the meeting and he told me that Ross had no confidence in the survival of the class and the discussion on class rules changes was not necessary until the class proved its self viable with strong boat counts.
6.  In order to advance the class as a viable entity we must be able to attract new drivers/boats.  You do that by insuring that it is safe and fair to participate.  My comments supported that agenda.
7.  In a separate conversation with Ted he stated that he would ban any hull that had the majority support of the drivers/owners.
8.  I would like to see rational discussion on this and other issues regarding our class.  You do not do that by shutting down views you do not agree with.
Regards,
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No disrespect to Ron,  I don't have a dog in this fight  (yet) but well said sir.

I have been a spectator and a limited boat bitch at several of these events for quite a few years now. My feeling on it is that the class was starting to do well,  a little drama here and there, struggling boat counts,  and some innovative ideas to get Comp Jet back on the program.

All that being said,  they are a fan favorite (under the K boats) in many cases for the simple facts that 1). They are the best example of "run what you brung" down to earth,  "budget" racing. (No offense to the teams).

2). The comradery in the CJ pits is pretty tight knit. Survival of the class literally depends on this one fact.

3). There is likely not one spectator that has been around boats or rivers not familiar with a jet boat. They either had one,  driven, ridden or know someone who has one. A 140mph vee drive,  not so much. This puts it more into the "doable" catagory than any other class.

I don't know what to say about Ross' comments other than it may be a good time to prove him wrong (as far as survival of the class).

I'm doing my best to get my finances dialed in so I don't have to worry about money. I'm close.

I have struggled all of my life financially,  like my dad always said,  "we will never be rich, but we'll make a lot of money".

Most of you won't get it, and that's ok.

It means we live life and work hard.

I hope to see more Comp Jet racing in the future and am pushing quite hard to be a participant.

The only boat racing I have been a part of in my life so far,  involved a hydroplane as a kid and an aluminum whitewater jet boat as an older kid. ..lol

Anyway. Keep it civil,  keep it positive and I'm sure things will work out in the end.

The one thing the 702 boat can at least do for now is make a minimum boat count. I feel that if boats are discouraged it may be the death of the class. Perhaps a better way to go about it is to speak directly with the owner. IDK.

Keep up the good fight and most importantly, have fun.

GT
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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2016, 11:22:35 AM »
Also, just to add (feeling a little "chatty" this morning, sorry) did anyone watch some of the Blown Boat races Down Under?

If Duff Daily can run el Cid as hard as he did with some of those Australian displacement hull boys,  it makes me feel compelled to make it work.  The unfortunate difference is the canopy.

This is going to sound stupid,  but setting a way to limit top speed is the only way your going to keep the rules from killing the class.

Been saying it in NASCAR for decades.

"Sometime slowing down makes you faster"

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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2016, 12:18:44 PM »
Drivers concerns were discussed at the meeting, including Shirl's suggestions.
Ross and Ted have always discouraged negativity on the  internet, and that was restated at this meeting.
Again if you want to talk about what happen at the meeting, call me.
Not just racers, but potential racers are welcome to call too (Glenn).


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« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2016, 12:45:05 PM »
Drivers concerns were discussed at the meeting, including Shirl's suggestions.
Ross and Ted have always discouraged negativity on the  internet, and that was restated at this meeting.
Again if you want to talk about what happen at the meeting, call me.
Not just racers, but potential racers are welcome to call too (Glenn).


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Thanks Ron,  likely will be calling everybody at some point.

I guess what I was trying to say is I didn't really view it as negativity.

I took it at face value,  meaning it was a simple subject of debate that could have been worded differently.

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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2016, 01:47:09 PM »
Thanks Ron,  likely will be calling everybody at some point.

I guess what I was trying to say is I didn't really view it as negativity.

I took it at face value,  meaning it was a simple subject of debate that could have been worded differently.

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Billy with the 702 boat may view it as negative.
Despite how anyone  feels about his boat.
It falls within the present rules and he has work hard over the last few years to put a very competitive boat together.
We need to work together to resolve issues and concerns.
Not alienate and loose another competitor. 
Communication is the key and I believe it can be done in a positive way with positive results.



 

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« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2016, 01:56:46 PM »
Billy with the 702 boat may view it as negative.
Despite how anyone  feels about his boat.

Have to admit,  didn't think about it that way.

Thanks for the insight.

It is a beautiful boat, not what you would expect to see running with low profile race boats. It does make for some rough conditions.

I can see where concerns would be raised.

I also agree,  rules excluding hull designs could ultimately limit that potential "1 more" race entry needed to save the class.

"Adapt or move on" as the saying goes.

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2016, 08:30:20 AM »
So what about marks boat? Is it going to be up for sale?

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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2016, 08:32:02 AM »
So what about marks boat? Is it going to be up for sale?

I know Terry is funding it to be run through the 2016 season with Harold Bruce behind the wheel to pay tribute to Mark, but I dont know what the end result will be with the boat after the year.
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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2016, 08:36:10 AM »
We will all miss Mark it will be good to see the boat out there.

 


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