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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2009, 11:20:01 AM »

sell it, drive it, promote it, whore it, whatever.

call ross, he will put you in contact with brad stillman who i believe still has a hand in the nostalgia classes.


I'm looking at things from a financial standpoint, the NJ thing seems doable, even Momma agrees.

I would love to promote a race but if you recall when I brought this up last year, I got nothing but turmoil from all sides. I wanted to do strictly INBOARD boats, not just a race but an entire weekend, akin to the NHRA Hot Rod Reunion, old racers and their boats sharing beers and swapping lies, swap meet, vendors, just a good time. I found the venue, I needed a sanctioning body on board to make insurance even close to affordable, as soon as I told people that it would not include the whackers, and that I didn't really want it to be a points race, more of a destination race, everyone quickly disappeared. No promoting for me.

I'll email Ross, and keep y'all posted.
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2009, 11:35:45 AM »

EXactly . . .  80 mph on water is haulin' ass and expensive.    No brakes = shit happens fast
Learn the ropes and have a FUN time in N/J      Walk before you run is always good advice.

Bro.......Its called LOW BUDGET RACING Grin
It's not that hard to go 80 with the right setup Thumbs Up
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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2009, 11:39:11 AM »

It's not that hard to go 80 with the right setup

Good, then we can count on you to have a Nost. Jet ready for March?
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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2009, 11:44:40 AM »

Tahiti is not a race boat...skip.But I do have a buddy with a mach 1 with mostly stock 468 pump by jim....and it runs 75 all day long!
And he is a broke ass mexican Grin Kiss
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2009, 11:50:01 AM »


I'm looking at things from a financial standpoint, the NJ thing seems doable, even Momma agrees.

I would love to promote a race but if you recall when I brought this up last year, I got nothing but turmoil from all sides. I wanted to do strictly INBOARD boats, not just a race but an entire weekend, akin to the NHRA Hot Rod Reunion, old racers and their boats sharing beers and swapping lies, swap meet, vendors, just a good time. I found the venue, I needed a sanctioning body on board to make insurance even close to affordable, as soon as I told people that it would not include the whackers, and that I didn't really want it to be a points race, more of a destination race, everyone quickly disappeared. No promoting for me.

I'll email Ross, and keep y'all posted.

Not to start a 30 page debate or anything Skip, but why exclude the wackers?
There are some outboard racers that have been racing in the hydro clases and the small hydros I have seen run the rivers are not only fun as hell to watch, but built using 1960's designs and Mercury four cylinder engines based on the Mercury 400 thunderbolts (a 40 horse two-stroke heavily modified with special everything)...And capable of in excess of 80 MPH.

Anytime you try to "exclude" anyone, that is when the pissing matches always begin. Even PWC, as boring as they are, will want to be involved, I personally consider them "intermission" or "fill" when at the races, great time to grab a beer and a burger. Grin

On the other hand, depending on where these races could be held (more than likely Bako) there is a small chance (pretty remote) that some of the river dudes may want to come down to promote their side of this great sport, big maybe, but would be cool as hell...Maybe even some Sprint boats, Ever seen those boys run? By far the most fun you can have with clothes on.... Thumbs Up

Embrace the wackers my brother, they need love too.  Grin

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« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2009, 12:01:22 PM »

Glenn-

It's simple, if it's MY race, that I'm doing all the promoting, etc for. Then I get to pick who races, and I hate whackers! If we could get some bigger whacker boats to come and run, MAYBE but it's been my experience that the only whackers that show up are those God awful kid boats and the even worse Eagle Scout specials. No whackers at my race, hence the INBOARD only thing.
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« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2009, 12:09:22 PM »

Hey skip i want in if i can get this boat ready march will be hard  Huh? and will this boat count Thumbs Up low buget only fun i know


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« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2009, 12:18:16 PM »

Yes your boat will be allowed, I suggest you go and look at  the Nostalgia Jet rules and the APBA general safety rules;

Nostalgia Jet Rules-
APBA & SCSC Revised Nostalgia Jet General Rules 

EDIT: ALL SEATS TO BE FASTENED TO STRINGERS OR TO HULLS, NO SUB-FLOOR SEAT FASTENING ALLOWED

1) Required:  Minimum of 4 - 5 Boats.

2) Maximum length of 21'.  All boat hulls are to be twenty (20) years or older, or a similar replica of a hull twenty (20) years or older.

3) Entry Fee:  $100/average per day, rates may vary.

4) Plus APBA Membership fee (can apply for Single Event rather than full membership). All drivers and riders must be listed as APBA Inboard Endurance members.  All drivers and riders must provide proof of a certified FAA or DOT physical.

5) Plus SCSC membership fee - $20/year, or affiliated race site club membership.

6) Certified Life Jacket & Helmet, Per APBA specified rules.  Helmet and jacket must meet APBA rule, (ii) For participants in open and unrestrained cockpits, the upper fifty percent (50%) of the helmet must be neon, flourescent, red, orange, yellow, or international orange, and meet current certification.  All rookie drivers must place a 1? wide ?X? on the back of helmet for a period on one calendar year.  All safety equipment MUST be worn properly per manufacturers specified instructions.  Failure to do so will be disqualification for that heat race.

7) Boats to be in safety compliance, Per APBA specified rules.  Safety inspections are mandatory and boats must be in mechanically sound condition and pass required APBA safety rules.

 No Jet-A-way required.

9) MANDATORY GPS - ALL competitors must have a hand held GPS to compete.  GPS must have max speed sensor and recording.  All GPS units will be checked prior to and after each race.  If the GPS unit is inoperative or does not register or registers a skewed reading, that driver will be penalized one lap.  Second offense will result in disqualification from racing at that weekend.  A Driver will not be scored and lose any points earned if found to have raced without a GPS on board.

10) Maximum speed 80.9 MPH.  Speed will be monitored and recorded by a hand held GPS unit with recall.  Any competitor who exceeds 80.9 - 84.9 mph will be penalized one lap.  Any competitor who exceeds 84.9 mph will be disqualified for the weekend.  Any competitor who is penalized for two weekends will no long be eligible to compete in any future Nostalgia class(es) races.

11) Kill switch is required and lanyard should be attached to driver at all times.

12) Neck collar.

13) Helmet restraints.

14) All drivers must wear long durable pants and a long sleeve shirt.  It is recommended that drivers wear a full length, one or two-piece, 1 layer driving suit.
 
15) Any engine (ci), as many carbs as wanted, injection, super chargers, blowers, turbos, anything including Turbine engines.  Any fuel, gas, diesel, etc may be used.

16) Turning Rudder - must be equipped with a rudder that extends at least 4 inches below the lowest point of the jet nozzle housing and has a minimum surface area of 16 inches.

17) Jet-O-vator or Place Diverter adjustable nozzles may be used.  A Diverter stop is required and the rooster tail is not to exceed 4?-5? off the water, this also includes fixed nozzle boats.  Diverter shall remain in the full down position at all times when operating in or near pit row.  Upon departure from pit row, the nozzle shall remain in the full down position until safely on the racecourse.

18) Through bolted loader must be securely attached using 4 - 5/16" black oxide bolts.

19) The numbers must be starting with cj, and per APBA specified rules.

20) The race heat will consist of a minimum of 2 warm-up laps and 4 race laps.

21) Infraction/Penalty for buoy:  Hitting a buoy results in one lap penalty.  Killing or damaging a buoy results in one lap penalty and $200 fine.

22) Have fun and be safe.  Safety is of paramount concern.  All rulings by race officials for the Nostalgia Classes will be done to promote and maintain safety.  All competitors will operate under that premise and there will be NO compromise for safety.

APBA General Safety rules here:
http://www.apba-racing.com/Forms/2010/010GRR-GSR.pdf


I got these NJ rules from this website, if they've changed at all I'm sure Brad, Ralph or Terry would have the latest version of them.

See you in March
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« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2009, 12:19:46 PM »

Glenn-

It's simple, if it's MY race, that I'm doing all the promoting, etc for. Then I get to pick who races, and I hate whackers! If we could get some bigger whacker boats to come and run, MAYBE but it's been my experience that the only whackers that show up are those God awful kid boats and the even worse Eagle Scout specials. No whackers at my race, hence the INBOARD only thing.

I see where you are coming from, but at the same time, diversity is what fills the bleachers, I will let it go, but an "all inboard" running the same type of boats repeatedly gets boring fast, you need something to break up the action, I would consider some type of exhibition type deal to break it up a little (a few drag boats?), otherwise the racing will seem to run together like Neopolitan ice cream (too much of a good thing)..

Sorry if I offended... Wink

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« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2009, 12:24:17 PM »

Here's my opinion....

Take that idea of hosting an entire race and forget about it for now. The economy sucks and you're going to loose your ass.

Just start off pumping the NJs at the races scheduled this year. Get some class sponsors and put up a purse. Even better, get some for CJ. It would help out in a big way.

Work with what we got first then go from there.
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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2009, 12:25:47 PM »

skip....looks like we got a fire lit under your ass now Grin
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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2009, 12:28:22 PM »

skip....looks like we got a fire lit under your ass now Grin


What do we have to light one under yours instead of you just stirrin shit behind your keyboard?
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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2009, 12:34:51 PM »

Skip you get people going in the direction somthing can happen some of the best ideas start as a thought dont stop thinking and I would hope in the process of this boat i have you and I could meet and check it out iam in santamaria Thumbs Up
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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2009, 02:04:37 PM »

Skip,

Diversity one more time, then I will let it go.... Cheesy

These guys are certifiable... Screwy

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« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2009, 02:54:30 PM »

Canal boats I like, whacker boats I don't.
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« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2009, 03:03:15 PM »

them canal boats remind me of a damn slot car
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Anyone know how to do it or is this one of them deals I should let a proffesional bend me over on .

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