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what's the $ per race no bullshtt  what's the $ and what's the best hull length and brand
im just thinking about this so how much is the bottom line and any info on rules would be cool   
thanks ken

The cost is pretty easy to figure out....

Think about everything you need equipment wise...

Boat
Motor (or two)
Safety equip.
Fuel
Spare parts
Lodging
Tow vehicle maintenance
Association fees
Racing fees
Time off of work to both work on and race boat.
Food while on the road..

Now figure it out to the exact penny, then multiply this number by 3.5, I think you will be in the park. :banghead:

GT

You want to be competitve? figure an easy $12 grand for your boat, pump, engine. Add another grand for gear. Hope like hell you can make your motor last all season without breaking and figure on a grand a race in fuel, travel, supplies, entry fees etc.

There you go, I'm sure others will chime in.

And them some...X 2   :thumbup:

Dude my helmet all by itself cost over $800...Get a LifeLine and there goes another $400, add a driving suit, shoes, wetsuit (for us, for hypothermia) another $200, and most of it needs to be recertified every (used to be) 3 years...I had over $2K in "Gear" and over $25K in the boat with over $15 K in engine (1) and we had a spare BBC (in my jet boat now)..BTW, we were just poor whiteboys and all our stuff was second or third hand (with the exception of safety stuff...)

I am a worst case scenerio guy, I mean no offense at all, just being real.

Unless you have a boat and $10,000, you will be short. :screwy:

never kept track, get a boat then a motor and so on. its all about baby steps unless you got deeeeeeep
pockets.

where do i get info on rules and all that good stuff and what's the best hull length and can I wright  this off at tax time

rules can be found here
http://apba-racing.com/Forms/2010/010IE.pdf (http://apba-racing.com/Forms/2010/010IE.pdf)
scroll down until you get to the comp/jet section
i think most guys are running 18,19 foot hulls

tax time? i dunno ??? ive been told you can do it as a business, but, you will not be able to show a profit so after 2 years they will start looking at you.  NOTE i have NEVER done this.... so i really dont know


more info here
http://www.compjetracing.com/ (http://www.compjetracing.com/)
any other ????'s just ask, if I/we here on the boards dont know I/we will get the answer for you

yes and no. I suggest you talk to your CPA.

Steve Smith Publications has a lot of good books on how to run a team, sponsorship and marketing.

http://www.ssapubl.com/

This one is about racing/taxes

http://www.ssapubl.com/product.aspx?nbr=S217

Good luck... your gonna need it   ;D

Thanks for the input on this
 Well it was nice thinking about but I just don’t have that kinda $  fuuk you guys out there racing sure love this shtt to dump that kind of $ in it



O ya thanks for scaring the shtt out me on this one

Challenger-- don't get scared out of it,  just put a fin and a kill switch on your ski boat and run nastalgia jet , you can't run over 80 mph, shouldn't cost to much to step it up to run 80 mph, run for s season, you will love it. and it will bite you, you'll build a comp. jet the next year, if you need pointers call me,  Jim

EXactly . . .  80 mph on water is haulin' ass and expensive.    No brakes = shit happens fast
Learn the ropes and have a FUN time in N/J      Walk before you run is always good advice.

I agree with Jim here. This is by far the cheapest class to run. I recommend coming out with whatever boat you have (at first,as long as its a legal boat by APBA standards). Get on the water  and see if this business is for you . I would recommend borrowing a helmet and jacket for the first time (and other pertinent safety eq.). Then, if you get bit by the racin' bug, step up to a race hull , engine and the rest of the necessary evils.


And to answer your Question of how much an average weekend of racing costs...It's about 1k. This is what I personally average. This is without breakage or any other mishaps. Hope this helps.

Running N/J would be great, if there were enough people to run the class. That's the suck part, hell I could, and probably would run my boat in N/J if there were enough NJ boats to run with. Hmmmmmmmmm

  skip im trying to get everything together... i just got my  backup motor tonight i think it might be ok its only 30 over

  fock i think im bit by the racin' bug are ready i go to bed thinking about it  and shtt i think about it all day

Last year when I came out to race, thought i'd be racing N/J, was bumped up to C/J.
It all worked out fine, just stayed to the outside and out of the way.

I usually end up paying for two vehicles to drive out and 2 rooms. Cost 1200 - 1500 per race for me.

Me 2   :-\

I could make a race or two...Just gotta get some financial poop settled first....Hey Tommy, may need to call you up on that list brotha. :thumbup:

GT

the only difference between NJ and CJ is the GPS, nothin to be afraid of ......except the fact that jet boats are still jet boats........Sorry guys. Eventually and hopefully all of you will use the JET BOAT as a stepping stone  to a flatty or some type of v-drive. Not talkin shit, but race one and you WILL UNDERSTAND!!! hehehhe.... carry on.

 SKIP  Your a promotor type of guy BRING IT BACK  Personally i always loved N/J Racing. It was a lot of fun and it was a whole lot cheaper to race. The class needs some new blood and im sure that the promoters would put it on the sanctions. Bring out the ski boats and have some fun.

now your talkin :thumbup: hell i mite even drag my liberty out :-\

the best fun i ever had was in n/j

Ok Terry, challenge accepted!  ;D Who do I call to get NJ back on the roster? Ross? Or are you talking about me promoting races? I'll call you later

sell it, drive it, promote it, whore it, whatever.

call ross, he will put you in contact with brad stillman who i believe still has a hand in the nostalgia classes.

I'm looking at things from a financial standpoint, the NJ thing seems doable, even Momma agrees.

I would love to promote a race but if you recall when I brought this up last year, I got nothing but turmoil from all sides. I wanted to do strictly INBOARD boats, not just a race but an entire weekend, akin to the NHRA Hot Rod Reunion, old racers and their boats sharing beers and swapping lies, swap meet, vendors, just a good time. I found the venue, I needed a sanctioning body on board to make insurance even close to affordable, as soon as I told people that it would not include the whackers, and that I didn't really want it to be a points race, more of a destination race, everyone quickly disappeared. No promoting for me.

I'll email Ross, and keep y'all posted.

Bro.......Its called LOW BUDGET RACING ;D
It's not that hard to go 80 with the right setup :thumbup:

Good, then we can count on you to have a Nost. Jet ready for March?

Tahiti is not a race boat...skip.But I do have a buddy with a mach 1 with mostly stock 468 pump by jim....and it runs 75 all day long!
And he is a broke ass mexican ;D :-*

Not to start a 30 page debate or anything Skip, but why exclude the wackers?
There are some outboard racers that have been racing in the hydro clases and the small hydros I have seen run the rivers are not only fun as hell to watch, but built using 1960's designs and Mercury four cylinder engines based on the Mercury 400 thunderbolts (a 40 horse two-stroke heavily modified with special everything)...And capable of in excess of 80 MPH.

Anytime you try to "exclude" anyone, that is when the pissing matches always begin. Even PWC, as boring as they are, will want to be involved, I personally consider them "intermission" or "fill" when at the races, great time to grab a beer and a burger. ;D

On the other hand, depending on where these races could be held (more than likely Bako) there is a small chance (pretty remote) that some of the river dudes may want to come down to promote their side of this great sport, big maybe, but would be cool as hell...Maybe even some Sprint boats, Ever seen those boys run? By far the most fun you can have with clothes on.... :thumbup:

Embrace the wackers my brother, they need love too.  ;D

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Glenn-

It's simple, if it's MY race, that I'm doing all the promoting, etc for. Then I get to pick who races, and I hate whackers! If we could get some bigger whacker boats to come and run, MAYBE but it's been my experience that the only whackers that show up are those God awful kid boats and the even worse Eagle Scout specials. No whackers at my race, hence the INBOARD only thing.

Hey skip i want in if i can get this boat ready march will be hard  ??? and will this boat count :thumbup: low buget only fun i know

Yes your boat will be allowed, I suggest you go and look at  the Nostalgia Jet rules and the APBA general safety rules;

Nostalgia Jet Rules-
APBA & SCSC Revised Nostalgia Jet General Rules 

EDIT: ALL SEATS TO BE FASTENED TO STRINGERS OR TO HULLS, NO SUB-FLOOR SEAT FASTENING ALLOWED

1) Required:  Minimum of 4 - 5 Boats.

2) Maximum length of 21'.  All boat hulls are to be twenty (20) years or older, or a similar replica of a hull twenty (20) years or older.

3) Entry Fee:  $100/average per day, rates may vary.

4) Plus APBA Membership fee (can apply for Single Event rather than full membership). All drivers and riders must be listed as APBA Inboard Endurance members.  All drivers and riders must provide proof of a certified FAA or DOT physical.

5) Plus SCSC membership fee - $20/year, or affiliated race site club membership.

6) Certified Life Jacket & Helmet, Per APBA specified rules.  Helmet and jacket must meet APBA rule, (ii) For participants in open and unrestrained cockpits, the upper fifty percent (50%) of the helmet must be neon, flourescent, red, orange, yellow, or international orange, and meet current certification.  All rookie drivers must place a 1? wide ?X? on the back of helmet for a period on one calendar year.  All safety equipment MUST be worn properly per manufacturers specified instructions.  Failure to do so will be disqualification for that heat race.

7) Boats to be in safety compliance, Per APBA specified rules.  Safety inspections are mandatory and boats must be in mechanically sound condition and pass required APBA safety rules.

 No Jet-A-way required.

9) MANDATORY GPS - ALL competitors must have a hand held GPS to compete.  GPS must have max speed sensor and recording.  All GPS units will be checked prior to and after each race.  If the GPS unit is inoperative or does not register or registers a skewed reading, that driver will be penalized one lap.  Second offense will result in disqualification from racing at that weekend.  A Driver will not be scored and lose any points earned if found to have raced without a GPS on board.

10) Maximum speed 80.9 MPH.  Speed will be monitored and recorded by a hand held GPS unit with recall.  Any competitor who exceeds 80.9 - 84.9 mph will be penalized one lap.  Any competitor who exceeds 84.9 mph will be disqualified for the weekend.  Any competitor who is penalized for two weekends will no long be eligible to compete in any future Nostalgia class(es) races.

11) Kill switch is required and lanyard should be attached to driver at all times.

12) Neck collar.

13) Helmet restraints.

14) All drivers must wear long durable pants and a long sleeve shirt.  It is recommended that drivers wear a full length, one or two-piece, 1 layer driving suit.
 
15) Any engine (ci), as many carbs as wanted, injection, super chargers, blowers, turbos, anything including Turbine engines.  Any fuel, gas, diesel, etc may be used.

16) Turning Rudder - must be equipped with a rudder that extends at least 4 inches below the lowest point of the jet nozzle housing and has a minimum surface area of 16 inches.

17) Jet-O-vator or Place Diverter adjustable nozzles may be used.  A Diverter stop is required and the rooster tail is not to exceed 4?-5? off the water, this also includes fixed nozzle boats.  Diverter shall remain in the full down position at all times when operating in or near pit row.  Upon departure from pit row, the nozzle shall remain in the full down position until safely on the racecourse.

18) Through bolted loader must be securely attached using 4 - 5/16" black oxide bolts.

19) The numbers must be starting with cj, and per APBA specified rules.

20) The race heat will consist of a minimum of 2 warm-up laps and 4 race laps.

21) Infraction/Penalty for buoy:  Hitting a buoy results in one lap penalty.  Killing or damaging a buoy results in one lap penalty and $200 fine.

22) Have fun and be safe.  Safety is of paramount concern.  All rulings by race officials for the Nostalgia Classes will be done to promote and maintain safety.  All competitors will operate under that premise and there will be NO compromise for safety.

APBA General Safety rules here:
http://www.apba-racing.com/Forms/2010/010GRR-GSR.pdf (http://www.apba-racing.com/Forms/2010/010GRR-GSR.pdf)


I got these NJ rules from this website, if they've changed at all I'm sure Brad, Ralph or Terry would have the latest version of them.

See you in March

I see where you are coming from, but at the same time, diversity is what fills the bleachers, I will let it go, but an "all inboard" running the same type of boats repeatedly gets boring fast, you need something to break up the action, I would consider some type of exhibition type deal to break it up a little (a few drag boats?), otherwise the racing will seem to run together like Neopolitan ice cream (too much of a good thing)..

Sorry if I offended... ;)

GT

Here's my opinion....

Take that idea of hosting an entire race and forget about it for now. The economy sucks and you're going to loose your ass.

Just start off pumping the NJs at the races scheduled this year. Get some class sponsors and put up a purse. Even better, get some for CJ. It would help out in a big way.

Work with what we got first then go from there.

skip....looks like we got a fire lit under your ass now ;D

What do we have to light one under yours instead of you just stirrin shit behind your keyboard?

Skip you get people going in the direction somthing can happen some of the best ideas start as a thought dont stop thinking and I would hope in the process of this boat i have you and I could meet and check it out iam in santamaria :thumbup:

Skip,

Diversity one more time, then I will let it go.... :D

These guys are certifiable... :screwy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckd8Z2P16UM&feature

Canal boats I like, whacker boats I don't.

them canal boats remind me of a damn slot car