Ok kids, with all the talk of racing, combined with the winter doldrums, here's a poll for you.

Please be honest, this is something I'd like to do, but if there aren't enough boats, then I won't waste my time.

Thanks
Skip

Limited number of funds, which makes limited number of races....

Fo Sho 

You don't need another hull, in a circle race with NJ rules, you'd be lucky to average 70!

81.0 MPH to 84.9 MPH= loss of lap 84.9
85.0 & Faster = DQ for the wknd

Skip i like it now to get the money 

That sounds like an excellent idea. Think the March race is a realistic timeframe?

Fixed it Rick, thanks for looikin' out.

yes if i was going to run i would use my nordic as well

yeah i got a 150 dolla pump intake has been machined for a shoe/rideplate bowl has had some work on it, and provisions for rideplate gonna be an easy transformation i think

it would take me a full year to build a boat

let alone not having the power...is the concern for physical high blood pressure

We talked about this a tad last night, and I now understand it a little bit more. Any induction/engine restrictions? I think Moo would be OK for this, and FUN!!!!!!! But what about Blowers on over 18' craft? lol

Ray

That's how it was explained to me as well. I am happy about that! Speed limit, well, we'll see. What'ya think Nordie? Am I even close to that? 

Ray

Seems like we have some interest in this class. Kick Ass! 

Here's the rules:
Nostalgia Jet Rules-
APBA & SCSC Revised Nostalgia Jet General Rules 


1) Required:  Minimum of 4 - 5 Boats.

2) Maximum length of 21'.  All boat hulls are to be twenty (20) years or older, or a similar replica of a hull twenty (20) years or older.

3) Entry Fee:  $100/average per day, rates may vary.

4) Plus APBA Membership fee (can apply for Single Event rather than full membership). All drivers and riders must be listed as APBA Inboard Endurance members.  All drivers and riders must provide proof of a certified FAA or DOT physical.

5) Plus SCSC membership fee - $20/year, or affiliated race site club membership.

6) Certified Life Jacket & Helmet, Per APBA specified rules.  Helmet and jacket must meet APBA rule, (ii) For participants in open and unrestrained cockpits, the upper fifty percent (50%) of the helmet must be neon, flourescent, red, orange, yellow, or international orange, and meet current certification.  All rookie drivers must place a 1"wide X on the back of helmet for a period on one calendar year.  All safety equipment MUST be worn properly per manufacturers specified instructions.  Failure to do so will be disqualification for that heat race.

7) Boats to be in safety compliance, Per APBA specified rules.  Safety inspections are mandatory and boats must be in mechanically sound condition and pass required APBA safety rules.

 No Jet-A-way required.

9) MANDATORY GPS - ALL competitors must have a hand held GPS to compete.  GPS must have max speed sensor and recording.  All GPS units will be checked prior to and after each race.  If the GPS unit is inoperative or does not register or registers a skewed reading, that driver will be penalized one lap.  Second offense will result in disqualification from racing at that weekend.  A Driver will not be scored and lose any points earned if found to have raced without a GPS on board.

10) Maximum speed 80.9 MPH.  Speed will be monitored and recorded by a hand held GPS unit with recall.  Any competitor who exceeds 80.9 - 84.9 mph will be penalized one lap.  Any competitor who exceeds 84.9 mph will be disqualified for the weekend.  Any competitor who is penalized for two weekends will no long be eligible to compete in any future Nostalgia class(es) races.

11) Kill switch is required and lanyard should be attached to driver at all times.

12) Neck collar.

13) Helmet restraints.

14) All drivers must wear long durable pants and a long sleeve shirt.  It is recommended that drivers wear a full length, one or two-piece, 1 layer driving suit.
 
15) Any engine (ci), as many carbs as wanted, injection, super chargers, blowers, turbos, anything including Turbine engines.  Any fuel, gas, diesel, etc may be used.

16) Turning Rudder - must be equipped with a rudder that extends at least 4 inches below the lowest point of the jet nozzle housing and has a minimum surface area of 16 inches.

17) Jet-O-vator or Place Diverter adjustable nozzles may be used.  A Diverter stop is required and the rooster tail is not to exceed 4?-5? off the water, this also includes fixed nozzle boats.  Diverter shall remain in the full down position at all times when operating in or near pit row.  Upon departure from pit row, the nozzle shall remain in the full down position until safely on the racecourse.

18) Through bolted loader must be securely attached using 4 - 5/16" black oxide bolts.

19) The numbers must be starting with cj, and per APBA specified rules.

20) The race heat will consist of a minimum of 2 warm-up laps and 4 race laps.

21) Infraction/Penalty for buoy:  Hitting a buoy results in one lap penalty.  Killing or damaging a buoy results in one lap penalty and $200 fine.

22) Have fun and be safe.  Safety is of paramount concern.  All rulings by race officials for the Nostalgia Classes will be done to promote and maintain safety.  All competitors will operate under that premise and there will be NO compromise for safety.

APBA General Safety rules here:
http://www.apba-racing.com/Forms/2010/010GRR-GSR.pdf

Lifeline Competition Life Vests & Gear
http://www.lifelinejackets.com/

APBA Downloadable Membership Form
http://www.apba-racing.com/Forms/2009/MembAppl2009.pdf

California DMV D.O.T. Driver's Exam Form
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/dl/dl51.pdf

APBA Resource Page, PDF copies of all forms you need, the rulebooks, etc

Mark- The class you're talking about is Ski Jet, I'm not sure if NJBA still runs that class or not, basically it was a class, where your boat had to resemble the boats you see at the lake, on the river, etc. Seats and ski tows! I know what you mean about the big wallet factor, I'm going to give NJ a try and see how I like it.  Maybe if there is enough interest in a Ski Jet type class we could talk to Terry and see about getting one started.

Skip

glenn were not talking old drivers...

Thanks Skip, I am still interested in doing the NJ    That there was funny Nordie, I dont care who you are    Thanks 76, my best so far has been a 65, floor seats, people, and whatever crap I might have in the boat. So are you interested also   Just curious, cause I really am, just a little intiminated

I was intimadated also, but it was something I had wanted to do since I was a kid.
When you're racing you're so focused on whats going on you don't have time to be nevous. All your senses are in a hyper mode.
And to top it of I have never been involved with a better group of people. I'm having the time of my life and would love to watch my son get into boat racing.

Thats awesome about your son For me it would bring back my days on the 1/4 dragstrip with my 70 Firebird

Oh shit, and then your son blows by you, what do ya say but I am proud of you and I taught you well You are a lucky man, my son has 4 legs LOL, and cant drive a boat. I have a daughter that wants to go FAST maybe I can get her to drive!!

oh yea and no texting while racing

You can't just go and exclude Brad like that!!!

Proppy thats cheatin

Okay.... 76' Nordic....plus my BBF Tahiti for a back up....WE ARE IN...just gotta dial in my Tahiti if ya know what I mean

My boat has seating fo four, carpet and a ski tow. I carry a yard stick to measure fuel, but I am sure if I measured a boat, it would come out to 21 ft (fuzzy math applied). So let us all go out and have fun. While we are at it - how about a 75 mile race, last one to stop for gas wins?

OK now you and Dave want to run your wake barges, You boys are gonna splash us little guys right off the course   As for your question Proppy I dont know just getting into it, Skip seems to know the ins and outs tho

As I understand it 21' hull length, does not include the pump.

I believe in C/J it was changed to 24' overall including the pump.

Huh...

well, there ya go. you can run a 30' jetboat 

i think its safe to say that 23' and under is acceptable for the jets since its the norm for the NE and NF classes.

Ok, You have a good point there, but me being a rookie, and having the tuna barges out there too, well, hmmmmmm

just ignore this rule. its there to keep the word 'nostalgia' true. The word "replica" makes it so vague that you can run any year boat.

Take the CJ53 boat for example. its a one-off D'Cucci. The hull was actually made for an I/O class they race on the east coast, but they laid this one up for a jet. Toby and the Cucci's ran it in NJ for a few years, no questions asked.

Good point Tony! and kinda what I was thinking anyway when it peaked my interest. Over the summer I'm QUITE sure i've navigated the Moo over rougher stuff at Saguaro and Bartlett Lakes here in PHX at speed than I'd ever see in race conditions (Figured that chit out real quick on those lakes, thanks to you guys, Brad, Omar and GT in particular!) If in doubt, check with the Eastsiders on PB, Some of them have witnessed some my shenannigans, (The worst in a 5, at speed , probably 60-65 at the time, in full roost!, on a dare, near dusk, no boats at the dock.)

Tuna boats, wake barges, BRING'EM! I say! Driving is what it's all about. (I say that, and while I figured Moo out for the most part, this Streaker REALLY perplexes me! New cables and a PD, then we'll see where we're at, but drives totally different).

Ray

This whole thing makes me want to bite the bullet and ressurrect my old Bieser and race the damn thing! It IS, or was, more than 20 years old, but would be something short of 21' and, well, maybe a flat bottom, flex bottom, sumpin like that, lol.

NJ is on the sanction and schedule for Havasu Landing in January, I won't be ready until Ming in March

Hey what happenend to the Puddingstone race, I didnt see it on the list

a bit confusing that one set of rules says yes and the one on this thread doesnt, and if it is needed will the one you have Brad be legal

Dammit Skip, I wanted to see how many posts we could get out of him talking to himself....Pretty funny.

GT

Mark-

Build your boat according to this set of rules and I can assure you that you'll be fine.

APBA & SCSC Revised Nostalgia Jet General Rules 

1) Required:  Minimum of 4 - 5 Boats.

2) Maximum length of 21'.  All boat hulls are to be twenty (20) years or older, or a similar replica of a hull twenty (20) years or older.

3) Entry Fee:  $100/average per day, rates may vary.

4) Plus APBA Membership fee (can apply for Single Event rather than full membership). All drivers and riders must be listed as APBA Inboard Endurance members.  All drivers and riders must provide proof of a certified FAA or DOT physical.

5) Plus SCSC membership fee - $20/year, or affiliated race site club membership.

6) Certified Life Jacket & Helmet, Per APBA specified rules.  Helmet and jacket must meet APBA rule, (ii) For participants in open and unrestrained cockpits, the upper fifty percent (50%) of the helmet must be neon, florescent, red, orange, yellow, or international orange, and meet current certification.  All rookie drivers must place a 1? wide ?X? on the back of helmet for a period on one calendar year.  All safety equipment MUST be worn properly per manufacturers specified instructions.  Failure to do so will be disqualification for that heat race.

7) Boats to be in safety compliance, Per APBA specified rules.  Safety inspections are mandatory and boats must be in mechanically sound condition and pass required APBA safety rules.

 No Jet-A-way required.

9) MANDATORY GPS - ALL competitors must have a hand held GPS to compete.  GPS must have max speed sensor and recording.  All GPS units will be checked prior to and after each race.  If the GPS unit is inoperative or does not register or registers a skewed reading, that driver will be penalized one lap.  Second offense will result in disqualification from racing at that weekend.  A Driver will not be scored and lose any points earned if found to have raced without a GPS on board.

10) Maximum speed 80.9 MPH.  Speed will be monitored and recorded by a hand held GPS unit with recall.  Any competitor who exceeds 80.9 ? 84.9 mph will be penalized one lap.  Any competitor who exceeds 84.9 mph will be disqualified for the weekend.  Any competitor who is penalized for two weekends will no long be eligible to compete in any future Nostalgia class(es) races.

11) Kill switch is required and lanyard should be attached to driver at all times.

12) Neck collar.

13) Helmet restraints.

14) All drivers must wear long durable pants and a long sleeve shirt.  It is recommended that drivers wear a full length, one or two-piece, 1 layer driving suit.
 
15) Any engine (ci), as many carbs as wanted, injection, super chargers, blowers, turbos, anything including Turbine engines.  Any fuel, gas, diesel, etc may be used.

16) Turning Rudder - must be equipped with a rudder that extends at least 4 inches below the lowest point of the jet nozzle housing and has a minimum surface area of 16 inches.

17) Jet-O-vator or Place Diverter adjustable nozzles may be used.  A Diverter stop is required and the rooster tail is not to exceed 4?-5? off the water, this also includes fixed nozzle boats.  Diverter shall remain in the full down position at all times when operating in or near pit row.  Upon departure from pit row, the nozzle shall remain in the full down position until safely on the racecourse.

18) Through bolted loader must be securely attached using 4 - 5/16" black oxide bolts.

19) The numbers must be starting with cj, and per APBA specified rules.

20) The race heat will consist of a minimum of 2 warm-up laps and 4 race laps.

21) Infraction/Penalty for buoy:  Hitting a buoy results in one lap penalty.  Killing or damaging a buoy results in one lap penalty and $200 fine.

22) Have fun and be safe.  Safety is of paramount concern.  All rulings by race officials for the Nostalgia Classes will be done to promote and maintain safety.  All competitors will operate under that premise and there will be NO compromise for safety.

  Why funny   Wasn't talking to myself, was asking questions, if I was talking to myself I would have answered, and then it would have been funny

no valvestem seals in the motor eh?

I'd give it up Mark.....Why F/U your boat

...drama and more drama...lets just all chill...sht happens...

The whole time I was restoring my boat, I had the intentions of racing it. I was told that N/J was the stepping stone to C/j. I was of the mind set that I would be racing against others like me that didn't have any or much racing experience. When it came time to race I was told I'd be bumped to C/J. The powers to be told me to stay to the outside and they would watch me to see if they thought I was ok to run with them.
I say stick with it. The way Parker went last Thanksgiving, a 70 mph boat would have gotten a second place between Harold Bruce and Jim Rich. They were the last 2 boats running.

X 2....Think it's the Govt. ...

Ken Sperling founder of AFR preped my heads and did cut them for seals. Craig Millet and I went to his shop and did the springs with valves lapped by Ken.  My first AFR heads were actually experimental welded cast iron D-port heads that I still have. Porasity problems lead us to use his "new" aluminum heads, same type Grump Jenkins was using at the time. Valve train included Jomar stud gurdle, Crane roller lifters, roller rockers, elipsoidal pushrods, titanium retainers, and HD studs. Crane cam profile I can't remember. Also had gear drive.

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Thanks Bull