Author Topic: Nostalgia Jet Racing (Read 5574 times)

76NORDIC · « **Reply #50 on:** December 16, 2009, 07:45:46 PM »

OK now you and Dave want to run your wake barges, You boys are gonna splash us little guys right off the course

As for your question Proppy I dont know just getting into it, Skip seems to know the ins and outs tho

Luckie Stiff · « **Reply #51 on:** December 16, 2009, 07:53:03 PM »

Quote from: propless on December 16, 2009, 07:39:55 PM

Lets say someone ( ) had a hull that was sold and registered as a 21' (but is 21' 2"). Would it be legal to run ?

It's a 21' in my book, that's what Eliminator said it was, that's what the DMV says it is, let's do it.

76 Bonneville · « **Reply #52 on:** December 16, 2009, 07:58:53 PM »

As I understand it 21' hull length, does not include the pump.

I believe in C/J it was changed to 24' overall including the pump.

Brad @ SCJB · « **Reply #53 on:** December 16, 2009, 08:01:56 PM »

In the NJ rules, the 21' applys to the hull length minus pump not to be confused with the 24' overall length that includes pump and pump extensions (ex droop)

Personally, i could give a rats ass about 2", but the rule states 21' and could be a deal breaker if youre neck 'n neck for year end points and someone wants to pull that card on you.

so in short, no, 2" wont stop you from going out to run, but someone could to be a dick and enforce the rule to have you DQ'd because it could mean 1st place vs 2nd place overall for the year for them.

enginedoctor · « **Reply #54 on:** December 16, 2009, 08:05:04 PM »

Quote from: 76NORDIC on December 16, 2009, 07:45:46 PM

OK now you and Dave want to run your wake barges, You boys are gonna splash us little guys right off the course As for your question Proppy I dont know just getting into it, Skip seems to know the ins and outs tho

Huh...

Luckie Stiff · « **Reply #55 on:** December 16, 2009, 08:10:38 PM »

Just for shits & giggles, here's the latest, greatest, most up to date revised Nostalgia Class rules per Ross Wallach with SCSC, since it's a local class, SCSC has the final say in this.

A. Inboard endurance:

1. Any hull built before 1982 or splash off of a hull built before 1982, with a length not more
than 23'.
This will include flat bottoms, v-bottoms, runner bottoms or tunnel bottoms.

2. Any powerplant, gas or diesel, with carbruators, injectors, blowers, turbo chargers. No nitrous.

3. Propulsion systems include; direct drive, v-drive, in/out, outboard and jet.

B. Inboard flat bottom:

1. Same requirements in year built and less than 23', flat bottom, runner bottom.

2. Engines, gasoline only. Any carb/induction/blowers/turbos.

3. propulsion system to include direct drive or v-drive.

C. Nostalgia Jet

1. Any jet hull built before 1982 or replica.

2. Engines, gasoline only. Any carb/induction/blowers/turbos.

3. Any jet propulsion drive. The drive will not utilize any jet-o-vator that impairs driver visabiltiy for
a following boat.

D. Speeds.

1. Maximum speed of 80.9 mph. as recorded by a hand held gps unit affixed to the boat or driver.
a. The gps unit will be examined prior to the start of each individual heat and immediately
after that heat. If the gps unit does not register any speed or an obvious lower speed,
that competitor will be penalized one (1) lap. Additionally, if the speed recorded is 81-85
mph. that competitor will be penalized one (1) lap.
If the speed is faster than 86 mph. that competitor will be disqualified and at the descretion
of race officials will not compete in the nostalgia class for the remander of the event.

E. Safety and sportsmanship will be paramount and fostered at each and every event.

1. It is the intention and goal of the nostalgia classes and competitors to have a safe and
rewarding experience, and to allow as many nostalgial racers to bring what they have to race.
2. It will be the competitors responsibilities to have equipment that will pass a safety inspection
prior to each event as required by race officials.

F. The nostalgia classes will be run as a local class through an apba sanctioned event. Any questions
or additional requirements will be addressed through the sanctioning organization(s) prior to the
event.

Brad @ SCJB · « **Reply #56 on:** December 16, 2009, 08:16:26 PM »

well, there ya go. you can run a 30' jetboat

i think its safe to say that 23' and under is acceptable for the jets since its the norm for the NE and NF classes.

pw_Tony · « **Reply #57 on:** December 16, 2009, 08:23:36 PM »

Quote from: 76NORDIC on December 16, 2009, 07:45:46 PM

OK now you and Dave want to run your wake barges, You boys are gonna splash us little guys right off the course As for your question Proppy I dont know just getting into it, Skip seems to know the ins and outs tho

I ain't skeeeeeerd

It's circle boats.... I think ocean water is expected lol

76NORDIC · « **Reply #58 on:** December 16, 2009, 08:28:24 PM »

Quote from: pw_Tony on December 16, 2009, 08:23:36 PM

I ain't skeeeeeerd It's circle boats.... I think ocean water is expected lol

Ok, You have a good point there, but me being a rookie, and having the tuna barges out there too, well, hmmmmmm

propless · « **Reply #59 on:** December 16, 2009, 08:42:16 PM »

Quote from: Luckie Stiff on December 16, 2009, 08:10:38 PM

C. Nostalgia Jet

1. Any jet hull built before 1982 or replica.

2. Engines, gasoline only. Any carb/induction/blowers/turbos.

3. Any jet propulsion drive. The drive will not utilize any jet-o-vator that impairs driver visabiltiy for
a following boat.

Ok, now there's a new question / issue. First rules say 20 yrs old or older, this says 1982 or older.

Lets say someones (

) boat is an 83. First rules say it would be legal, second rules say no. Could an 83 be considered a replica of an 82 ?
You guys in SoCal do know its not 2002 anymore, right ??

Quote from: 76NORDIC on December 16, 2009, 08:28:24 PM

Ok, You have a good point there, but me being a rookie, and having the tuna barges out there too, well, hmmmmmm

Hey now, watch that tuna barge stuff. My boat probably makes a smaller wake then yours. Besides, I probably wont have it done in time anyway. And when it is done they'll make some new rule to keep me out. $:-\$

Brad @ SCJB · « **Reply #60 on:** December 16, 2009, 08:51:55 PM »

Quote from: propless on December 16, 2009, 08:42:16 PM

Ok, now there's a new question / issue. First rules say 20 yrs old or older, this says 1982 or older.

Lets say someones ( ) boat is an 83. First rules say it would be legal, second rules say no. Could an 83 be considered a replica of an 82 ?
You guys in SoCal do know its not 2002 anymore, right ??

just ignore this rule. its there to keep the word 'nostalgia' true. The word "replica" makes it so vague that you can run any year boat.

Take the CJ53 boat for example. its a one-off D'Cucci. The hull was actually made for an I/O class they race on the east coast, but they laid this one up for a jet. Toby and the Cucci's ran it in NJ for a few years, no questions asked.

propless · « **Reply #61 on:** December 16, 2009, 09:06:48 PM »

Thanks Brad.

I really hadn't thought about doing something like this with this boat before, I always thought that 21' rule was a total length including pump. Looks like I'm going to have to leave that turn fin under it (its mounted to the left sponson) and see what it does with a jet. With the OB on it it turns left really good, right is a bit sketchy, but left is like its on rails.

IRRebel · « **Reply #62 on:** December 17, 2009, 12:05:48 AM »

Quote from: pw_Tony on December 16, 2009, 08:23:36 PM

I ain't skeeeeeerd It's circle boats.... I think ocean water is expected lol

Good point Tony! and kinda what I was thinking anyway when it peaked my interest. Over the summer I'm QUITE sure i've navigated the Moo over rougher stuff at Saguaro and Bartlett Lakes here in PHX at speed than I'd ever see in race conditions (Figured that chit out real quick on those lakes, thanks to you guys, Brad, Omar and GT in particular!) If in doubt, check with the Eastsiders on PB, Some of them have witnessed some my shenannigans, (The worst in a 5, at speed , probably 60-65 at the time, in full roost!, on a dare, near dusk, no boats at the dock.)

Tuna boats, wake barges, BRING'EM! I say! Driving is what it's all about. (I say that, and while I figured Moo out for the most part, this Streaker REALLY perplexes me! New cables and a PD, then we'll see where we're at, but drives totally different).

Ray

This whole thing makes me want to bite the bullet and ressurrect my old Bieser and race the damn thing! It IS, or was, more than 20 years old, but would be something short of 21' and, well, maybe a flat bottom, flex bottom, sumpin like that, lol.

Bull20 · « **Reply #63 on:** December 17, 2009, 12:04:56 PM »

What is the first race for N/J's - West Lake or Ming?

Luckie Stiff · « **Reply #64 on:** December 17, 2009, 12:15:36 PM »

Quote from: Bull20 on December 17, 2009, 12:04:56 PM

What is the first race for N/J's - West Lake or Ming?

NJ is on the sanction and schedule for Havasu Landing in January, I won't be ready until Ming in March

Bull20 · « **Reply #65 on:** December 17, 2009, 12:47:28 PM »

Thanks, I did not notice it on the APBA flyer.

76NORDIC · « **Reply #66 on:** January 15, 2010, 06:21:54 PM »

Hey what happenend to the Puddingstone race, I didnt see it on the list

76NORDIC · « **Reply #67 on:** January 15, 2010, 06:23:26 PM »

Another thought...those rules dont say anything about a rudder

so is it or not needed for NJ

76NORDIC · « **Reply #68 on:** January 15, 2010, 06:46:33 PM »

a bit confusing that one set of rules says yes and the one on this thread doesnt, and if it is needed will the one you have Brad be legal

Luckie Stiff · « **Reply #69 on:** January 15, 2010, 07:25:26 PM »

Quote from: 76NORDIC on January 15, 2010, 06:21:54 PM

Hey what happenend to the Puddingstone race, I didnt see it on the list

Puddlestone is not an SCSC race, but it is being held, in May. Date TBA.

GT Jets · « **Reply #70 on:** January 15, 2010, 07:27:33 PM »

Quote from: Luckie Stiff on January 15, 2010, 07:25:26 PM

Puddlestone is not an SCSC race, but it is being held, in May. Date TBA.

Dammit Skip, I wanted to see how many posts we could get out of him talking to himself....Pretty funny.

GT

Luckie Stiff · « **Reply #71 on:** January 15, 2010, 07:29:25 PM »

Quote from: 76NORDIC on January 15, 2010, 06:23:26 PM

Another thought...those rules dont say anything about a rudder so is it or not needed for NJ

If you look up the page a few posts, you'll see the latest, greatest, most up to datest NJ rules I have been given from Ross Wallach, Commodre for the SCSC. It makes NO mention of a rudder, therefore I'm saying you don't need one.

Luckie Stiff · « **Reply #72 on:** January 15, 2010, 07:30:08 PM »

Mark-

Build your boat according to this set of rules and I can assure you that you'll be fine.

APBA & SCSC Revised Nostalgia Jet General Rules

1) Required: Minimum of 4 - 5 Boats.

2) Maximum length of 21'. All boat hulls are to be twenty (20) years or older, or a similar replica of a hull twenty (20) years or older.

3) Entry Fee: $100/average per day, rates may vary.

4) Plus APBA Membership fee (can apply for Single Event rather than full membership). All drivers and riders must be listed as APBA Inboard Endurance members. All drivers and riders must provide proof of a certified FAA or DOT physical.

5) Plus SCSC membership fee - $20/year, or affiliated race site club membership.

6) Certified Life Jacket & Helmet, Per APBA specified rules. Helmet and jacket must meet APBA rule, (ii) For participants in open and unrestrained cockpits, the upper fifty percent (50%) of the helmet must be neon, florescent, red, orange, yellow, or international orange, and meet current certification. All rookie drivers must place a 1? wide ?X? on the back of helmet for a period on one calendar year. All safety equipment MUST be worn properly per manufacturers specified instructions. Failure to do so will be disqualification for that heat race.

7) Boats to be in safety compliance, Per APBA specified rules. Safety inspections are mandatory and boats must be in mechanically sound condition and pass required APBA safety rules.

No Jet-A-way required.

9) MANDATORY GPS - ALL competitors must have a hand held GPS to compete. GPS must have max speed sensor and recording. All GPS units will be checked prior to and after each race. If the GPS unit is inoperative or does not register or registers a skewed reading, that driver will be penalized one lap. Second offense will result in disqualification from racing at that weekend. A Driver will not be scored and lose any points earned if found to have raced without a GPS on board.

10) Maximum speed 80.9 MPH. Speed will be monitored and recorded by a hand held GPS unit with recall. Any competitor who exceeds 80.9 ? 84.9 mph will be penalized one lap. Any competitor who exceeds 84.9 mph will be disqualified for the weekend. Any competitor who is penalized for two weekends will no long be eligible to compete in any future Nostalgia class(es) races.

11) Kill switch is required and lanyard should be attached to driver at all times.

12) Neck collar.

13) Helmet restraints.

14) All drivers must wear long durable pants and a long sleeve shirt. It is recommended that drivers wear a full length, one or two-piece, 1 layer driving suit.

15) Any engine (ci), as many carbs as wanted, injection, super chargers, blowers, turbos, anything including Turbine engines. Any fuel, gas, diesel, etc may be used.

16) Turning Rudder - must be equipped with a rudder that extends at least 4 inches below the lowest point of the jet nozzle housing and has a minimum surface area of 16 inches.

17) Jet-O-vator or Place Diverter adjustable nozzles may be used. A Diverter stop is required and the rooster tail is not to exceed 4?-5? off the water, this also includes fixed nozzle boats. Diverter shall remain in the full down position at all times when operating in or near pit row. Upon departure from pit row, the nozzle shall remain in the full down position until safely on the racecourse.

18) Through bolted loader must be securely attached using 4 - 5/16" black oxide bolts.

19) The numbers must be starting with cj, and per APBA specified rules.

20) The race heat will consist of a minimum of 2 warm-up laps and 4 race laps.

21) Infraction/Penalty for buoy: Hitting a buoy results in one lap penalty. Killing or damaging a buoy results in one lap penalty and $200 fine.

22) Have fun and be safe. Safety is of paramount concern. All rulings by race officials for the Nostalgia Classes will be done to promote and maintain safety. All competitors will operate under that premise and there will be NO compromise for safety.

Brad @ SCJB · « **Reply #73 on:** January 15, 2010, 07:50:01 PM »

yes, the one i have is legal.

76NORDIC · « **Reply #74 on:** January 15, 2010, 08:34:02 PM »

Quote from: GT Jets on January 15, 2010, 07:27:33 PM

Dammit Skip, I wanted to see how many posts we could get out of him talking to himself....Pretty funny.

GT

Why funny

Wasn't talking to myself, was asking questions, if I was talking to myself I would have answered, and then it would have been funny

Poll

Would you run your lake/river/ski boat in a NJ race?

Author Topic: Nostalgia Jet Racing (Read 5574 times)