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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2008, 10:45:10 AM »
Sounds like your askin an awfull lot for so little . What cylinder head are you gonna run to mix all this wonderful fuel and air ?

How stout is your bottom end ?

What RPM range are you gonna run in ?

Is your boat/pump combo goin to be able to handle 1000 HP ?

Have you ever been a boat that goes "MACH 1" ?

Me personally , I think you've gone at this project backwards .

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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2008, 11:56:51 AM »
I think you've gone at this project backwards .

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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2008, 12:01:53 PM »
I think you've gone at this project backwards .



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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2008, 12:10:03 PM »
That line should be in my Bahner thread :o
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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2008, 01:53:43 PM »
I think this thread has gone backwards.  ;)

I'm trying to get some info on different types of fuels and I'm getting questions about bottom ends, driving ability (or lack thereof), etc... but I guess it could be worse... I could be trying to sell a boat and instead getting lessons on the economy.  :banghead:

Sounds like your askin an awfull lot for so little. You have no idea what I have (read your questions below) but it seems you know it's little. WTF?

What cylinder head are you gonna run to mix all this wonderful fuel and air ? Which fuel, alcohol, race gas, Avgas, hello?? What's the thread about again? This year, large oval port GM heads.

How stout is your bottom end ?  :-*  I love you too homeboy.  :D  VERY stout.

What RPM range are you gonna run in ?  Hopefully over 6K.

Is your boat/pump combo goin to be able to handle 1000 HP ? If I had 20 K to put into my pump and my hull I'd have that all aluminum 632, right? One step at a time. It isn't going to have 1000 HP this year, I'll be LUCKY to have 650 HP.

Have you ever been a boat that goes "MACH 1" ? I have no idea how fast that is. Might as well sell it all and buy another BMX bicycle because I haven't done Mach 1 in a boat.  :banghead:

Me personally , I think you've gone at this project backwards . Now how in the phuk can you logicaly say that? Because I bought an intake system that doesn't jive with you or because I'm trying to figure out alternative fuel's that you don't want to run?? You didn't know anything about what I've got but your insistant that what I've got is all wrong and I'm going about it all wrong. That's retarded and doesn't make any sense.   :-\

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Compared to gasoline, I've learned that alcohol engines consume considerably more fuel. Does alcohol make more HP "out of the box" or does it give the ability to make more HP? If it does make more HP, is there a rough "percentage" as to how much more it will make?

Is E85 a alcohol type of fuel or is it it's own animal? I know it's a fairly new fuel, is it more comparable to gasoline or alcojol, or neither?

What is 116 FL?
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« Reply #30 on: May 10, 2008, 04:40:46 PM »
Just to answer a question .

Alky WILL require double to run . Alky IS easier to tune . Alky has NO lubricity .

If you wanna run with the big dogs . Build a boat and motor to do so . For your personal info , I love the mech injection manifolds . I understand that they are temramental (sp?) and therefore do not run one myself . Point is , you wanna build a bad ass motor and get ever last bit of power , my opinion is alky . Make sure you bring a few cases of oil as well , and a rope to get pulled out of the weeds for when I blow into them  >:D SUCKER !

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« Reply #31 on: May 10, 2008, 05:07:25 PM »
 ;D  I agree that alky would be the better choice for an all out effort to run with the big dogs but that's not exactly what I am after. I'm after the best that I can do with what I have without having to refill my 2 11 gallon fuel tanks every half hour. This boat isn't being built to run with the big dogs, it's not being built to race officially, it's not being built to impress anyone but myself, it's not being built to go on some sort of show circuit, it's being built for my own personal satisfaction, it's being built because I like hot rods and even better if they're on the water, I'm only living once and if I want to haul some serious asss on the water this could be a great boat to do it with.

So in order for me to make a decision on which fuel to run I need more info... specifically...

Compared to gasoline, I've learned that alcohol engines consume considerably more fuel, roughly 50% more. Alcohol has no lubricity, there are additives for that. The tuning window for alcohol is much bigger than gasoline. When alcohol is on fire there are no flames or smoke, there are additives for that. Alcohol is kind of like an acidic liquid in that it will "eat" or corode aluminum, pot metal, rubber, etc... Does alcohol make more HP "out of the box" or does it just give the ability to make more HP? If it does make more HP, is there a rough "percentage" as to how much more it will make?

Is E85 a alcohol type of fuel or is it it's own animal? I know it's a fairly new fuel, is it more comparable to gasoline or alcohol, or neither?
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« Reply #32 on: May 10, 2008, 05:59:49 PM »
Oh fock my head hurts. That's enuf for today.  Lets have a margarita . . . who's with me  :D
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« Reply #33 on: May 10, 2008, 07:28:41 PM »
;D  I agree that alky would be the better choice for an all out effort to run with the big dogs but that's not exactly what I am after. I'm after the best that I can do with what I have without having to refill my 2 11 gallon fuel tanks every half hour. This boat isn't being built to run with the big dogs, it's not being built to race officially, it's not being built to impress anyone but myself, it's not being built to go on some sort of show circuit, it's being built for my own personal satisfaction, it's being built because I like hot rods and even better if they're on the water, I'm only living once and if I want to haul some serious asss on the water this could be a great boat to do it with.

So in order for me to make a decision on which fuel to run I need more info... specifically...

Compared to gasoline, I've learned that alcohol engines consume considerably more fuel, roughly 50% more. Alcohol has no lubricity, there are additives for that. The tuning window for alcohol is much bigger than gasoline. When alcohol is on fire there are no flames or smoke, there are additives for that. Alcohol is kind of like an acidic liquid in that it will "eat" or corode aluminum, pot metal, rubber, etc... Does alcohol make more HP "out of the box" or does it just give the ability to make more HP? If it does make more HP, is there a rough "percentage" as to how much more it will make?

Is E85 a alcohol type of fuel or is it it's own animal? I know it's a fairly new fuel, is it more comparable to gasoline or alcohol, or neither?

Alcohol, in the same exact engine with the same tune, will use 2X more fuel, and make a little less HP.

However, you can turn up the timing, and get the power back.
Then you can run a more agressive timing curve, and make more power.
Then you can add compression / boost and make lots more power.

As I said earlier, E85 acts like higher octane gasoline.




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« Reply #34 on: May 10, 2008, 07:39:24 PM »
Alcohol, in the same exact engine with the same tune, will use 2X more fuel, and make a little less HP.

However, you can turn up the timing, and get the power back.
Then you can run a more agressive timing curve, and make more power.
Then you can add compression / boost and make lots more power.

As I said earlier, E85 acts like higher octane gasoline.






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« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2008, 07:02:31 AM »
;D  I agree that alky would be the better choice for an all out effort to run with the big dogs but that's not exactly what I am after. I'm after the best that I can do with what I have without having to refill my 2 11 gallon fuel tanks every half hour. This boat isn't being built to run with the big dogs, it's not being built to race officially, it's not being built to impress anyone but myself, it's not being built to go on some sort of show circuit, it's being built for my own personal satisfaction, it's being built because I like hot rods and even better if they're on the water, I'm only living once and if I want to haul some serious asss on the water this could be a great boat to do it with.

So in order for me to make a decision on which fuel to run I need more info... specifically...

Compared to gasoline, I've learned that alcohol engines consume considerably more fuel, roughly 50% more. Alcohol has no lubricity, there are additives for that. The tuning window for alcohol is much bigger than gasoline. When alcohol is on fire there are no flames or smoke, there are additives for that. Alcohol is kind of like an acidic liquid in that it will "eat" or corode aluminum, pot metal, rubber, etc... Does alcohol make more HP "out of the box" or does it just give the ability to make more HP? If it does make more HP, is there a rough "percentage" as to how much more it will make?

Is E85 a alcohol type of fuel or is it it's own animal? I know it's a fairly new fuel, is it more comparable to gasoline or alcohol, or neither?
go get a stock motor, Thats all you can handle >:D (about 65mph) just run gas. it's cheaper than the rest. Why build something that you can only run once a year, because you can't full it up. (buy a outboard, save gas and money) ;D pump 91 and add an additive for 102 oct.  :banghead:  Just built the motor and get it on the water. :mad:  :mad: Stop over thinking thing. Plus what size impeller do you have? ;D  You're going to have to buy one for all that horsepower you have :screwy: Also how the bottom of your boat? hahahahahaha  ;D

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« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2008, 09:06:16 AM »
go get a stock motor, Thats all you can handle >:D (about 65mph) just run gas. it's cheaper than the rest. Why build something that you can only run once a year, because you can't full it up. (buy a outboard, save gas and money) ;D pump 91 and add an additive for 102 oct.  :banghead:  Just built the motor and get it on the water. :mad:  :mad: Stop over thinking thing. Plus what size impeller do you have? ;D  You're going to have to buy one for all that horsepower you have :screwy: Also how the bottom of your boat? hahahahahaha  ;D

Plesh plesh plesh  :-\   ;D

Why build something that you can only run once a year? Nah I figure it will be about 2 or 3 times a year. Kids soccer, baseball games, trips the family boat has to go out so I can drag a tube or wakeboard around, injuries, life, etc...

What impellor size do I have? I dunno, I think it's a A cut. Could be a AAA cut for all I know. I have a C cut waiting for it. I'll have to run a inducer with the C cut.

How's the bottom of the boat? Uhhmmm... SHINEY!?!  ;D  One step at a time brother. Not everyone has a 1,000 HP blown and injected engine detiorating (sp?) in their garage.  :screwy:  :sly:
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« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2008, 10:20:45 AM »
go get a stock motor, Thats all you can handle >:D (about 65mph) just run gas. it's cheaper than the rest. Why build something that you can only run once a year, because you can't full it up. (buy a outboard, save gas and money) ;D pump 91 and add an additive for 102 oct.  :banghead:  Just built the motor and get it on the water. :mad:  :mad: Stop over thinking thing. Plus what size impeller do you have? ;D  You're going to have to buy one for all that horsepower you have :screwy: Also how the bottom of your boat? hahahahahaha  ;D
Plesh plesh plesh  :-\   ;D

Why build something that you can only run once a year? Nah I figure it will be about 2 or 3 times a year. Kids soccer, baseball games, trips the family boat has to go out so I can drag a tube or wakeboard around, injuries, life, etc...

What impellor size do I have? I dunno, I think it's a A cut. Could be a AAA cut for all I know. I have a C cut waiting for it. I'll have to run a inducer with the C cut.

How's the bottom of the boat? Uhhmmm... SHINEY!?!  ;D  One step at a time brother. Not everyone has a 1,000 HP blown and injected engine detiorating (sp?) in their garage.  :screwy:  :sly:
Once again , side stepping the more important stuff  ::) Oh well , My money is on your foot wont stay in it over 50mph  ;D which leaves you rub rail racing with Jetaholic  ;D . Your just splittin hairs with this fuel bullshit and it doesn't matter what fuel your gonna run , your gonna be fuelin up constantly . See ya in the weeds , SUCKERRRRRRRRRRR !

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« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2008, 11:20:14 AM »
Once again , side stepping the more important stuff  ::) Oh well , My money is on your foot wont stay in it over 50mph  ;D which leaves you rub rail racing with Jetaholic  ;D . Your just splittin hairs with this fuel bullshit and it doesn't matter what fuel your gonna run , your gonna be fuelin up constantly . See ya in the weeds , SUCKERRRRRRRRRRR !

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« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2008, 11:49:41 AM »
Once again , side stepping the more important stuff  ::) Oh well , My money is on your foot wont stay in it over 50mph  ;D which leaves you rub rail racing with Jetaholic  ;D . Your just splittin hairs with this fuel bullshit and it doesn't matter what fuel your gonna run , your gonna be fuelin up constantly . See ya in the weeds , SUCKERRRRRRRRRRR !

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You could be right Omar, more than you think you are, LMFAO, the last time the Mach 1 went out it did 49 mph, sooo.... BTW, I smoke cigarettes soooo... when's Jetoholic going out again?  :D


BTW, for the last several hours I've been doing a LOT of research on alcohol, E85, Avgas, race gas, FUEL I think it's called... and I am definately going with
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« Reply #40 on: May 11, 2008, 12:26:10 PM »
... and I'm going with ... beer?









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« Reply #41 on: May 11, 2008, 12:31:38 PM »
... and I'm going with ... beer?









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Soooo what am I supposed to do with all the Jack and coke I bought for the boat ride  :-\

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« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2008, 03:35:27 PM »
Soooo what am I supposed to do with all the Jack and coke I bought for the boat ride  :-\

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save it for next year ;D

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« Reply #43 on: May 11, 2008, 03:40:59 PM »
What's the octane need to run the motor? IF it under 102, then go with 91 and octane boost. (like I told you)  :banghead: :banghead: :mad: :screwy: O0

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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2008, 04:17:59 PM »
Soooo what am I supposed to do with all the Jack and coke I bought for the boat ride  :-\

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Have I mentioned I have a fridge on board?  Got me a designated driver too!  O0
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« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2008, 04:31:23 PM »
Think of all the money I'm going to save on fuel with my all aluminum pump gas 632!
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« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2008, 04:33:27 PM »
Have I mentioned I have a fridge on board?  Got me a designated driver too!  O0
Fukin sweeeeeet !

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« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2008, 04:38:58 PM »
I read over ? 50 ? pages on fuels today. I'm a little bit more knowledgable than before I started the thread. All who contributed positively to this thread I really appreciate your help!
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« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2008, 04:41:30 PM »
I read over ? 50 ? pages on fuels today. I'm a little bit more knowledgable than before I started the thread. All who contributed positively to this thread I really appreciate your help!
AND WHAT????

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« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2008, 04:42:18 PM »
Ok, now that you have newfound knowledge, what is your choice? Alky or Gas? Inquiring minds want to know  O0
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