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« on: December 22, 2007, 10:20:35 PM »
I aquired a motor from skip a few weeks ago and not sure what I am going to do with it just yet. Since money is tight.....i figured i would do a budget 460 project with it.

My goals:
  • Spend as little as possible

The cash counter is set to zero....and only goes up based on money i spend from here on out, it does not include parts i currently own or that have been donated, only out of pocket expenses related to the motor itself.

I am not a mechanic by any means, so that means i have no idea what i am doing. Only 460 experience I have is with my previous motor. So that being said, any suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated.

The motor: $100 + 2 SCJB Shirts

This is a D9TE-AB block. Skip only gave me a little info when I picked it up. He said it came out of a flat bed pickup that was out on a ranch and was used to haul hay around. The truck was totaled when it hit a pole, but the motor was still running. I have no idea what the heads are...there are no markings anywhere other then a ford logo by the valve springs.



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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2007, 10:24:22 PM »
So tonight I started breakin it down......this motor is a fuggin mess!



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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2007, 10:26:49 PM »


check out the slack in the timing chain....


football bolts....


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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2007, 10:30:04 PM »


no idea where this piece of the block went....no sign of it anywhere.  ???




box of the crap i removed....
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2007, 10:32:29 PM »
Does the balancer spacer have a wieght on it ?
I have two pair of BBF heads like those one is a D3 and the other is a D4.
They are 91 - 95 cc combustion chambers

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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2007, 10:34:47 PM »

just smooth and blend out all signs of cracks. You can dye check it latter.

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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2007, 10:38:16 PM »
so....things I need so far...

  • Timing Set - $40-$60
  • Oil Pan - $300-$400
  • Gasket set - ~$50
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2007, 10:38:36 PM »
Does the balancer spacer have a wieght on it ?

yes.
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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2007, 10:45:13 PM »
so....things I need so far...

  • Timing Set - $40-$60
  • Oil Pan - $300-$400
  • Gasket set - ~$50

Is there enough left of your gold pan to weld a new rail on it ?

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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2007, 10:50:26 PM »
brad, love the play by play action thus this means i am one day behind you doing the same have a 460 w/dove block and dove heads, please go day by day i will need it since i really dont know anything about motors except when you here clicking and rattling turn off immediately ;D ;D oh skip you should of got a bakers dozen of those choc chip cookies she made on the other thread thanks brad

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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2007, 10:51:52 PM »
Is there enough left of your gold pan to weld a new rail on it ?

nope....there is holes in both sides and the bottoms....one side of the rails is trashed...and the windage tray is destroyed...
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2007, 10:57:29 PM »
just to carify....this project is for the hell of it....for fun.....many shortcuts will be taken to cut costs...so this project might not be one to follow dirk  ;)

who knows, maybe it will complete a heat  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2007, 10:58:27 PM »
nope....there is holes in both sides and the bottoms....one side of the rails is trashed...and the windage tray is destroyed...

That is too bad. I have destroied my pan a bunch and it seen we can always fix it, using parts from stock pans and some small plates. How much do you want for it ? Lucky stiff has 7 .030 TRW L-2404s and a set of 7 cj/truck rods.

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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2007, 10:58:47 PM »
just to carify....this project is for the hell of it....for fun.....many shortcuts will be taken to cut costs...so this project might not be one to follow dirk  ;)

who knows, maybe it will complete a heat  ;D

Yee haw! I think nitrous is the cheapest horsepower  ;D

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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2007, 11:06:00 PM »
brad, i will do it for the hell of it too, just think i do not have a boat ready for it yet either but like the freakin rednecks in nascar a second motor waiting on shore works too ;D

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« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2007, 11:12:57 PM »
I bet you could get this one for $1K
http://www.banderlog.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5328

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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2007, 11:23:40 PM »
Here is a desent thread on a build;
http://460ford.com/viewtopic.php?t=6937

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« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2007, 10:13:07 AM »
Yee haw! I think nitrous is the cheapest horsepower  ;D


hmmmm  ;D
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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2007, 04:57:52 PM »
Brad, if you really want to install that high mileage engine which has bearing clearances possibly as little as 0.0008" (that's right less than 1 thou, and no I'm not kidding), and then spin it at a sustained 5000 rpm...then don't complain if you end up with a second grenaded engine on your hands.  No saying it will absolutely happen, but it very well may happen.

We will accept your non-disassembled longblock as a core trade-in toward a fully rebuilt jet boat applicable 466-472 pump gas frinedly 400hp-550hp engine, should you have a financial windfall this christmas.  ;)

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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2007, 07:09:53 PM »
...then don't complain if you end up with a second grenaded engine on your hands. 

thanks for the offer paul, but its just not realistic to come up with that much money in 2 months.....so im going to run with what i got and have fun with it....if it dies on the water....oh well, i got out there and did something rather then sitting on the shore counting my pennies.

again, i want to state this is for fun...im not looking to unleash ass whoopings with it....i just want to get back out on the water while i save up money for a built motor.  ;)
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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2007, 07:13:53 PM »
I like your attitude Brad!  Get to the lake anyway you can, and if you go to the river just remember to always go upstream.
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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2007, 09:34:57 PM »
If it has high mileage the clearances should be a little more  no? 

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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2007, 10:28:31 PM »
On one of my builds (granted for a car but hey), I pulled the 250K+ miles 440 engine out of the 72 Imperial, changed the rings and bearings, new oil, threw a 200 shot on it and raced it and used it as a tow vehicle for 10 years. Sure there is a little piston slap on really cold mornings, but it runs just fine thank you.....

The factory stuff is more durable than people give it credit for. Those cast pistons are doing fine...
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« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2007, 07:19:18 AM »
Low buck is not low thought!!!
Cam, lifters, bowl blend,port match, polish combustion chambers,valve job w/ springs
3 blade hone from NAPA, Polish the crank to reasonable clearance, rings
HELL ya!!  Send it!!   Attention to detail is what makes it work. I agree with Speedy mopar. ;D
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« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2007, 10:10:43 AM »
Low buck is not low thought!!!
Cam, lifters, bowl blend,port match, polish combustion chambers,valve job w/ springs
3 blade hone from NAPA, Polish the crank to reasonable clearance, rings
HELL ya!!  Send it!!   Attention to detail is what makes it work. I agree with Speedy mopar. ;D
Whatever it takes!!

Yea, but that's after $1000 and 40 hours of work. I think Brad wants it to be done FAST and CHEAP lol

 


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