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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2011, 09:47:38 PM »
Ya know guys....No matter what you are building, it's all good...Everyone has their preference... :)

With that being said, I still lack alot to add to this thread ...Except PROFESSIONALISM from a biz. stand point is super fowl.....let's get back to  building rockets...................  :)..boats .cars.... So sad to see this type of stuff on SCJB.

This turned out to be an  "I know it all thing ".....SHAME  :thumbdown:
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2011, 10:11:24 PM »
Nordie,

1) Any engine on the planet may be set up as either front sump or rear sump, regardles of manufacturer. No-one should have to spell that out for you. (But as far as your pointless issue goes: what if the engine is flipped around as in a v-drive???)

2) Ford oil pumps do not "shear off" by design. A few (perhaps 15 out of 3 million M84 pumps) failed as a result of the hot rod artist's ignorance to proper setup and installation (as Ford recommends but many dismiss). And that is the fault of the hot rod artist, not the engineering design. A good BBC analogy might be some ignoramous complaining about losing camshafts and lifters because he didn't understand the cam button dealio in his particular BBC engine combination.

3) The Ford oil pump and distributor drive are in the front of the engine because that's were the timing chain is tugging on the camshaft. Putting those components at the rear of the engine (as in a BBC) is cause for increased torsional loads (read: twisting) of the camshaft as an engine's performance level (stiffer valve springs, etc) is increased.

4) The BBC is notorious for having the lousy spur gear oil pump, not the Ford. Fords have the superior gerotor mechanism, which allows the oil to be bypassed back to the inlet side of the oil pump which--in effect--"supercharges" the pump (figuratively speaking) and thereby minimizes the pump loading caused by 100% of the oil always being drawn from the sump.  The BBC's lousy spur gear oil pump beats up the oil so badly that chevy is FORCED to bypass it back to the pan and allow the air bubbles to rise to the top of the sump before the oil is routed back to the oil pump. If chevy did not do this, your BBC would last about 5 minutes in your jet boat before chewing up every last bearing in the engine.  And so Titan comes out with an aftermarket BBC oil pump to address this issue and all the BBC hot rod artists hail it...but guess what? It has a Ford gerotor mechanism. Once again, Ford parts in a chevy.  ::)

Know what you're talking about before shooting your mouth off.    ;D

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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2011, 07:43:01 AM »
Maybe I am wrong, I am pretty sure I have a standard deck Gen 6 with fuel pump boss stashed in my garage, but the description of the GM Gen 6 454 HO crate engine seems to confirm what I was saying: http://sdparts.com/details/gm-performance-parts/12568774
Thanks for the correction. Does this mean that all Gen VI's had fuel pump bosses, or that Gen VI's may or may not have them?  If it's the latter, then it only furthers the convoluted mess around all the different BBC blocks.  :P

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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2011, 07:46:19 AM »
It's days like this that make me wonder why people spend time fighting over who is second best.  Why don't you all just run Mopars?   
Ha!  ;D I miss all my old Mopars, from the 1964 Polara 500 to the 1970 Chysler 300 (and several in between).

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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2011, 08:32:30 AM »
.... I found this to be one of the most disturbing , misguiding, and most of all  detouring threads  to earn a customer's faith.
I can't add more at this time....except for very user unfriendly.
enginedoctor, why do you say that? After just re-reading this thread in its entirety, I think this has been a very informative thread.  It covers everything BBC and touches on the other brands in the process.  :D

I also see that you quoted a post of mine, and did so after ranting about unprofessionalism, and things of that nature.   Do you care to explain why?  Because everything I stated in that post is 100% true, and also keep in mind that it was a reply to another's post (all my posts in this thread are)...meaning, I didn't bring anything up that wasn't unsolicited.  This is a forum and two-way discussions should be welcomed so that each of us may become enlighted by participating in them.  :)  And in regards to the original question at hand (differences between Gen IV, Gen V, Gen VI), frankly I think I have provided more BBC info than anyone else on this thread. Why do you dismiss that fact and then twist the reasoning for my posts about Ford?  Talk about biased...I'd say that would be you.  :(

I like to help people and provide them with whatever information and assistance I can, and I do so with great enthusiasm.  And I resent your trying to make me out as a bad guy for doing so.  I feel there is a great deal of really good info on this thread, and from everyone...except for you.   To date, you have not provided a single shred of informaton to this thread that is relative to the topic or any of its offshoots.  So before you go making thinly veiled, vastly distorted, and presumptious claims about who I am and where I'm coming from, you damn well better be sure that the statements are factual or you'll find yourself in serious legal trouble.

Now go take a second look at this thread in its entirety and you'll see that your posts in this thread contribute nothing relative to anyone else that has posted, while mine are all replies to points noted.

I think you owe me an apology,

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« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2011, 11:44:20 AM »
Thanks for the correction. Does this mean that all Gen VI's had fuel pump bosses, or that Gen VI's may or may not have them?  If it's the latter, then it only furthers the convoluted mess around all the different BBC blocks.  :P

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 I have worked with some with, but most that I have seen do not.  I think any that came installed in trucks do not have them (due to EFI). 

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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2011, 11:46:01 AM »
I no longer read this thread for information regarding BBC blocks, I only check it to see who is striking at who. We should rename this thread...  :beer:  :beer:  :beer:

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« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2011, 01:27:47 PM »
I'm confused why there is any information about Ford motors at all in this thread!  :banghead:

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« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2011, 09:14:31 PM »
Hey  OC2vegas....Give this guy a call....I am sure he can answer anything you need to know, he has always been very useful to me in every respect.....   For any engine !
1-800-533-8010 Jim Tapp!.. (www.goodson.com)
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« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2011, 10:08:33 AM »
Sooooooooo.............. I'm a little confused. I am building a GEN 6 right now. Do I need to buy a FORD oil pump? And then were you guys saying that it goes in the front on the fuel pump boss? is this the same for the Mk 5? It is going in a Lincoln!  O0

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« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2011, 10:12:43 AM »
I'm confused why there is any information about Ford motors at all in this thread!  :banghead:

Couldn't agree more with this statement!


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« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2011, 06:19:03 PM »
I'm confused why there is any information about Ford motors at all in this thread!  :banghead:

For the ones that posted useful info about the differences in the BBC engines, Thanks!
OC2Vegas,

Just want to make clear that I posted in here with the full intent of enlightening you about BBC engines just as you asked.  :D  First, I made BBC corrections/clarifications to previous posts (my posts #9 & #10), and then I posted for you my own BBC input (Post #11) which I think is pretty thorough and mostly 100% accurate (thanks for the update, Obnox.).  None of this is meant to confuse you about Ford engines; it is to inform you about chevy engines. More specifcally, if you want to learn about BBCs and then talk with other BBC enthusiasts, you should be well informed.  While I may be a Ford enthusiast, please read those posts again (9, 10, & 11) and you'll see that I did not bash the BBC in those posts; I simply provided clarification...clarification that might very well prevent you from inadvertently putting your foot in your mouth had you stated otherwise to BBC guys that that know better and may not want to get into the Ford aspects.

Most everyone that knows me and has met me personally knows very well I have a tremendous amount of enthusiasm which I present with a smile on my face, and thereby understands where I am coming from. Unfortunately, in cyberspace things might get taken out of context (especially by those who do not know you personally) or as they wree intended, and yet others  just attack, attack, attack. Some forums are just like that...  Frankly, my post #8 was an good humored attempt to diffuse such a fiasco before anyone jumped on that band wagon.

Hope you are seeing things as I intended them.  :)  I never came into a BBC thread in defense of Ford until someone drew the anti-Ford card first.

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« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2011, 06:31:26 PM »
I'm confused why there is any information about Ford motors at all in this thread!  :banghead:
Couldn't agree more with this statement!
HUH??? Nordie, you're the one that initiated this fiasco:screwy: You're the one that threw the first stone.  You did so with the following statement (below):

Its too bad that ford oil pumps like to shear off and ruin a good weekend...gm might of borrowed the idea, but also fixed...i mean really who wants a front sump oil system anyway? Besides when is the last time you built a performance motor without advising a rear sump deal?

Up until that post of yours, this was a thread with info with regard to the BBC.  After that post of yours where you directly bash the Ford, I came back told it like it is...again.

It seems that as soon as Ford and Chevy are so much as mentioned in the same thread, all hell breaks loose.

Sheez,   ::)

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