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Tech Talk => Engine Mechanical / Electrical => Topic started by: Nordie on May 09, 2010, 05:18:10 PM

Title: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on May 09, 2010, 05:18:10 PM
Well after an exceptional weekend in wonderful southern california i got home with the new motor! got everything unloaded except the block...i only have bolts for 460 crap gotta run and get some bolts here in a little bit to put it on the engine stand but basically here is everything i got in TRADE for the sanger hydro....I think i made out ok

Engine Specs
4.000 Stroke 454 70 Over
KB hyper pistons "they will not be used" I thought the motor was 80 over and no one makes an 80 over forged piston so i will be going forged!
although the block was machined for the hypers!
I should be able to use the rings still as long as everything is the same size! rings had instructions on both forged and hyper
Crower Cam with matching double springs!

Cam Specs
intake: duration 312 lift .598
exhaust: duration 322 lift .632

Came with a .20 crank internally balanced with mallory metal...however with the forged slugs it will half to be rebalanced!
All bearings came with the motor
Arp bolts on everything except the mains
Crane Cams 1.7 Ratio roller rockers with poly-locks

And 990 Heads that have been worked over really nicely  ;)

Pics Below
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Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on May 09, 2010, 05:22:31 PM
More

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Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on May 09, 2010, 05:25:29 PM
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Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: honda1 on May 09, 2010, 05:28:04 PM
Right on Nordie sweet :thumbup:
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: MBlack on May 09, 2010, 06:10:48 PM
Very nice. I hope it all works out and you get on the water soon.
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: GlassCutter on May 09, 2010, 07:24:09 PM
Shoulda traded for a camera   ;)
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: BOOST on May 09, 2010, 07:35:30 PM
  Good score Josh :thumbup:
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on May 09, 2010, 07:39:19 PM
GC honestly in the past 2 years i have been through 4 cameras! i need something indestructible
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: frankloc on May 09, 2010, 08:11:19 PM
c mon hellyeah bro
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: farmergord on May 09, 2010, 08:54:49 PM
nice score Nordie but crossing over to the dark side hmmmmm :(
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: MBlack on May 09, 2010, 08:56:06 PM
nice score Nordie but crossing over to the dark side hmmmmm :(

Oh yeah meant to mention...good call on going Chevy ;)
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Brad @ SCJB on May 09, 2010, 09:55:15 PM
Shoulda traded for a camera   ;)

x2...i got a headache looking at those pics
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: IRRebel on May 10, 2010, 02:13:13 PM
All looks like a great deal to me, all things considered.

Now get it put together!

Ray
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Marcsrollin on May 10, 2010, 03:53:39 PM
I don't think you realize how expensive some of the parts were on the hydo! If you would have parted it out you probably could have done better then trading for a outdated parts pile! And it was a chevy at that! :screwy:
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: honda1 on May 10, 2010, 04:21:20 PM
Done  Yet ;D
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on May 10, 2010, 04:23:41 PM
outdated? everything is brand spanking new....it was mached up on another engine but never fired! only things that were used is block rods and crank well heads but everything is new on the heads
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: CHROMEY on May 11, 2010, 01:57:40 PM
pics suck!....hire somebody next time... would ya!
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Marcsrollin on May 11, 2010, 03:13:07 PM
outdated? everything is brand spanking new....it was mached up on another engine but never fired! only things that were used is block rods and crank well heads but everything is new on the heads


New 15-20 years ago when the companies were still in business! ;D

Just giving you shit , don't take everything personal!
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on May 11, 2010, 03:43:39 PM

New 15-20 years ago when the companies were still in business! ;D

Just giving you shit , don't take everything personal!

And dammit you never called me back yesterday!
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on May 25, 2010, 05:31:48 PM
Ok so i havent said much about the new mill, but i figured i would post up some of the goodies that have been coming in the past 2 weeks! its getting a whole lot closer  :thumbup:

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Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: OC2Vegas on May 25, 2010, 07:42:54 PM
Engine Porn... Very Cool!
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: IRRebel on May 25, 2010, 07:47:50 PM
An ejaculation cord??? really?????.........Jeezuz I need to step it up............

Ray
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on May 25, 2010, 07:52:48 PM
safety first...the one that was installed on my boat had a malfunctioning problem...i really like the design on this one! should keep from any malfunctioning issues...
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 01, 2010, 05:32:42 PM
anyway i didnt need this stuff yet but it all worked out that i didnt half to pay shipping

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Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: enginedoctor on June 01, 2010, 07:18:11 PM
Hey nordie, a little concerned about the valve guide pics...can you focus on those 4 me :thumbup:
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on August 15, 2010, 07:58:51 PM
alright guys so after much anger and frustration the new motor is done! boat will meet new motor tuesday or wednesday....and be running lake mead saturday or sunday at the latest...it is going to take everydime i have, but i am tired of being sidelined

Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on August 15, 2010, 08:23:31 PM
heres some pics

pistons ended up 30 thou out of the hole...so some thicker head gaskets were used...tomorrow i get my pan/pick up, pto, and my water stuff....
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Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: BOOST on August 15, 2010, 09:37:06 PM
  Looks good Josh  :thumbup: pump gas motor? what kind of HP is it going to make.
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: IRRebel on August 15, 2010, 10:04:31 PM
Looking GOOOD! Mount setup not withstanding, rest should be a cake walk!  :thumbup:

Congratulations Josh!

Ray
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: MADSKILLZ on August 15, 2010, 10:36:15 PM
Nice!  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on August 22, 2010, 07:29:59 PM
So im like a week away...cant wait need some aluminum welded

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Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on August 24, 2010, 01:30:30 PM
Rails are mounted....need some more stainless bolts put on the balancer plumb the fuel/water system....set the motor in and align it......break in cam...list goes on but I think I can have it by friday

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Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on August 29, 2010, 07:56:17 PM
Ok not so much on the friday, but this weekends progress....(http://184.72.239.143/mu/ce1dbcb1-1b53-5c00.jpg)(http://184.72.239.143/mu/ce1dbce1-1b68-aeb8.jpg)

Tomorrow getting some help with driveline alignment, and I can start plumbing wires, water, fuel....totally blew my budget on this damn thing

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Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: 76NORDIC on August 29, 2010, 08:08:20 PM
Looking good Nordie :thumbup: Now quit yer bitching and geter done :thumbup: :thumbup: :beer:
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: enginedoctor on August 29, 2010, 08:45:07 PM
looks good Nordie :beer: :beer:
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: BOOST on August 29, 2010, 09:55:48 PM
 Nice work Josh!:thumbup: Josh there's no budget on these boats ;D   
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Horizonjet on August 30, 2010, 09:16:22 AM
Looks Awesome!
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: farmergord on August 30, 2010, 09:44:23 AM
keep up the good work it looks great and I know what you mean about budget :banghead:
Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on August 30, 2010, 07:49:56 PM
So todays progress brandon came over and helped me get the height set right on the motor, and now it is fully moumted...got 90% of the wirimg done today, and about 60% of the water plumbing...still need to do fuel system and mount a couple more things...shooting for this weekend although I have said that before!

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Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: 76NORDIC on August 30, 2010, 08:31:26 PM
You will do it Bud :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: IRRebel on August 30, 2010, 11:42:18 PM
Looks good bro! Like how ya mounted the speakers too!  :thumbup:

Sorry I kinda missed/overlooked your text, been insane around me for the last week or so with family emergencies, etc. No, Can't help ya with the BBC pulley. Only one I got is an underdrive for in front of a blower pulley, which is gonna make for some weird mounts in your case.....Tdawg should have sumpin lyin around....... ;)

Ray
Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on September 04, 2010, 07:53:00 AM
Its alive, and she sounds nasty....really nasty

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Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: flytime on September 04, 2010, 08:14:23 AM
Its alive, and she sounds nasty....really nasty

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Some pictures or even a video might be nice to share with the rest of the class. What a douche.... Good job BTW Josh.
Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on September 04, 2010, 08:56:31 AM
Ill get some pics up soon yesterday was chaos...vids I cant do cause my laptop took a shit

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Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on September 04, 2010, 09:16:17 AM
Yea, maybe the ole lady will shoot some video today. Sound too nasty to not have video.
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: IRRebel on September 04, 2010, 09:58:36 AM
Yea, maybe the ole lady will shoot some video today. Sound too nasty to not have video.

My ears are ringin' and I only heard it on the phone!

Good work Boys!!  :thumbup:

Ray
Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on September 05, 2010, 07:58:25 AM
Lake test today...anyone want to tow me out of the no wake zone?
Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on September 05, 2010, 01:28:12 PM
100% DONE!!!(http://tapa.tk/mu/ce1dbce5-fce0-ba7e.jpg)(http://tapa.tk/mu/ce1dbce5-fced-0f73.jpg)(http://tapa.tk/mu/ce1dbcb5-fcf9-59e8.jpg)


For shits ang giggles
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Now if I could only get it to idle...motor kackles...of course fueled up and ready to go, and sustained winds of 20 plus...
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: frankloc on September 05, 2010, 01:43:35 PM
hellyeah josh
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Horizonjet on September 05, 2010, 02:20:43 PM
Looking Awesome!      :thumbup:
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Ralph Brunt on September 05, 2010, 03:05:56 PM
looks good bro :thumbup:
Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on September 05, 2010, 06:08:32 PM
(http://tapa.tk/mu/ce1dbcb5-3e8f-b359.jpg)

Coming to ypu live from lake mead the wind chilled out enough to seat some rings made about 30 mins of rpm changes and cool down periods...hit the go pedal twice and she pulled hard....go home readjust valves and another compression test, check oil...
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Rivermama on September 05, 2010, 09:01:08 PM
Here ya go Nordie..........listen to the rumble!! :)

Nordies New Mill (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy10LHEENUA#)
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: BOOST on September 05, 2010, 09:14:09 PM
 Way to go Josh motor sounds pretty pissed off cant wait to see what its going to do.  
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: IRRebel on September 05, 2010, 11:08:50 PM
Moo's got her work cut out for her.......... :screwy:

Ray
Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on September 06, 2010, 12:43:22 AM
On the initial tune of the motor we have it set up fat and happy...better safe then sorry...cant wait to read a plug...im not even breaking into where this motor wants to run at, but that will change...over time...im really happy with how it ran even though my nerves were through the roof the whole time...constantly checking shit...all in all it was nice being back on the water in my own pyle....
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on September 06, 2010, 04:29:48 PM
Fucn thing sounds like a dragster. Shoulda had Jay fire his up right next to Nordie so you could see the difference.
Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on September 07, 2010, 10:05:23 PM
So today I read the plugs and they all looked consistant as far as color goes...everything seemed pretty wet, and definately rich...the color change on the electrode was in the middle of the bend and the threads telling me more timing, but one thing that kind of baffled me was 1,3,5,7 had more oil on the threads where 2,4,6,8 didnt seem to...definately a little rich...still need to check oil, but from what I seen under the valve covers looks good...the zalt oil I am extremely happy with...it seems to stick on everything really well...also I warmed the motor up today and started checking lash and everything seemed to really loosen up, but that is to be expected...all in all im really happy with this motor...at idle after warm up it holds about 60 psi...cold idle is just under 75 psi...i have a 10 quart pan and I am running 9 quarts with dual filters...dont think I need more oil...guess this is just a breakdown of my observations with the first test run, and about 1 hour on new motor....

If you see anything that raises a red flag lemme know

Also first compression test all cylinders were within 3psi of each other....

Just want to make sure I am doing the right thing
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: enginedoctor on September 07, 2010, 10:45:10 PM
Get if off idle run it hard like you just raped it...nice cam :thumbup:
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: GT Jets on September 07, 2010, 11:08:53 PM
Just my humble opinion...Or even just an out loud thought.  :-\  

One head could be getting warmer/ cooler than the other, which could totally explain the oil up the threads of the plug deal. Without good water control (few if any jets do) it is difficult to regulate even flow through the heads...

I have seen this before on a small Chevy and I knew that the odd head ran cooler by almost 20*F...I never worried about it and it is sitting on my garage floor in running condition with a bunch of hours on it.... :thumbup:

Sounds bitchen BTW  8)

GT
Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on September 23, 2010, 03:49:31 PM
Well just an update I got some more tuning to do, but when dont you? Thanks for all the compliments on how she sounds...you should hear it revved up...anyway with my gps I seen 64 mph at 4500....the tach bounces around at 5200....i see a smaller impeller in my near future....as of right now I cant gun the boat out of the hole...it will spin the impeller...so a pump rebuild will be happening in the off season....definately time for a faster hull, but that will come with time...as of right now it feels nice just to be back on the water!!!
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: 76NORDIC on September 23, 2010, 06:10:24 PM
Sounds great Josh :thumbup: You are doing good by checking things out and double checking :thumbup: :thumbup:
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: 76NORDIC on September 23, 2010, 06:13:49 PM
Forgot to mention.....The dammnn dizzy is at the wrong end :thumbdown:  At least it sounds like it might put up a race with a mighty blue oval ;D ;D    :beer:  Cheers my friend ;)
Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on September 23, 2010, 06:36:06 PM
You know honestly after owning a few jet boats with bbf's I will never talk badly about them...its just that I prefer a chebby with the dizzy on the proper end....one things for sure I will never own olds, but being a chevy guy I wont knock the blue oval...except their cylinder heads....all in all I just enjoy jet boating...one of the few things im passionate about
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: 76NORDIC on September 23, 2010, 07:09:08 PM
You know honestly after owning a few jet boats with bbf's I will never talk badly about them...its just that I prefer a chebby with the dizzy on the proper end....one things for sure I will never own olds, but being a chevy guy I wont knock the blue oval...except their cylinder heads....all in all I just enjoy jet boating...one of the few things im passionate about
Don't know about the proper end dealio :screwy: But have to agree with ya on the olds deal tho,    bet that will open up a can of worms  LOL >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Ralph Brunt on September 23, 2010, 07:14:45 PM
: But have to agree with ya on the olds deal tho,    bet that will open up a can of worms  LOL >:D >:D >:D
glass cutter will be along soon :-\
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: 76NORDIC on September 23, 2010, 07:24:25 PM
That's who I kinda thot of also Ralph ;D
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: IRRebel on September 23, 2010, 11:26:51 PM
I have all three and really can't bitch about any of them! Spent a lot of time this summer in Pickle (Chebbie) and the Charger (Olds). Neither as fast or quick as Moo was, but neither was built the same way either. Charger's getting a solid refresh and updates over the winter while the guys get busy on the Shrimpin boat (They been slacking). Pickles staying the way she is or being sold.

I'd give a nut to see what Nordies new momo would do in Pickle tho!  ;)

Ray
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Brad @ SCJB on September 24, 2010, 07:17:34 AM
im sick of the petty "dizzy on the wrong end" comments, but i got my 2 cents.

I have a chevy and a ford.....and in my book, a chevy has the dizzy on the wrong end. Timing a chevy is a bitch. you gotta reach over the motor to turn it. On the ford, its right there.
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Ralph Brunt on September 24, 2010, 07:35:48 AM
I have a chevy and a ford.....and in my book, a chevy has the dizzy on the wrong end. Timing a chevy is a bitch. you gotta reach over the motor to turn it. On the ford, its right there.
<--------feels the same
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: GlassCutter on September 24, 2010, 08:20:03 AM
A man knows his limitations, and when it comes to the Olds, I know them well.   I'm just glad you guys still invite me to your get togethers.  But if I ever win the Lotto I don't think I will be able to resist going with big cube Poncho power, just to be different.    Love you all . . .
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 21, 2011, 03:09:52 PM
well we might as well fire this topic back up again lol! today i got home from work and prepped the shop to pull the motor only to realize i didnt have an engine stand, so tomorrow after work i am going to run to storage and get a real stand and pull the motor...but i did make sure to get the swamp cooler up and running today, so i'll be inside in nice cool air!
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: ka0tyk on June 21, 2011, 03:19:06 PM
why is the motor coming out?  sounds fine to me in those vids.   :thumbup:
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 21, 2011, 03:20:29 PM
she's on the injury list  ;) no oil pressure, and some lower end banging  :banghead:
Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Brad @ SCJB on June 21, 2011, 03:31:42 PM
she's on the injury list  ;) no oil pressure, and some lower end banging  :banghead:

If I hear you say you lost oil pressure one more time, I'm gunna bitch slap you into next week.

You KNOW you had oil pressure gauge wiring issues since this motor went in.
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HaulsBalls on June 21, 2011, 03:39:13 PM
Why don't you get a mech. gauge on the block and run a drill to the pump, then you will be certain you have an oil pressure issue or not.  Brad sounds serious!
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Luckie Stiff on June 21, 2011, 03:47:35 PM
Why don't you get a mech. gauge on the block and run a drill to the pump, then you will be certain you have an oil pressure issue or not.

I couldn't agree more. If you had no oil pressure, your little jaunt in the cove would have let you know in a loud way.
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 21, 2011, 04:12:08 PM
I have the primer and a gauge
Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 21, 2011, 05:02:25 PM
If I hear you say you lost oil pressure one more time, I'm gunna bitch slap you into next week.

You KNOW you had oil pressure gauge wiring issues since this motor went in.

if you would have taken a look at the missing gauge out of my boat in the cove i stole a nut off of another gauge that was stopping ym gauge from working....before the last whole speal when the gauge quit working well in the cove i figured out why it wasnt working, and decided to make it work to confirm what exactly i was thinking...just to elaborate for everyone else somewhat scratching their heads...see one trip out my guage just quit working, and i couldnt figure out why...so i was like screw it no biggie! anyway back to big river, when i was heading up river with nate to the cove i told him something doesnt sound right...at a certain rpm i could hear rattles "like lifters" and i started looking back and wondering and figured it was my scoop...well it wasnt...so i started kind of checking stuff even pulling a valve cover to find some water up top ok no big deal...turn the heat up because i wasnt getting much heat in the motor on the river anyway...so i make a pass and she is running pretty good, and then something happens the boat doesnt turn the normal rpms anymore, not she only wants to turn 5000 instead of the the normal 5800...ok now something really isnt right...so back to the gauge issue...when i would turn on the key "and this is only as of recent this isnt something has been haywire since the motor just went in brad"...so i crawl under the dash, and i find one of the allthreads that comes out of the back of the gauge that is supposed to have a nut on it that secures the plate the a prong goes on for the wire is missing, so i take one off of another gauge and tighten it up, and walla when i turn the key the gauge moves to zero! something it hasnt done the last two trips...so i fire the motor, and the gauge goes maybe to 3-5 psi just past zero...guess what this tells me this is something not right...followed by the sounds of clunks when i shut the motor off...the clunks are 3 loud clunks! im guessing a rod bearing went out, but i am also optimistic that maybe i somehow screwed up the oil pump shaft rod! but why in the heck am i going to keep starting up a motor to find out with different oil psi guages when i can simply pull it down and find out what it is a miss, and a gauruntee that the gauge is not lying to me now!
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: 76NORDIC on June 21, 2011, 05:16:17 PM
I likes Brads idea of bitch slapping you to next week   LOL   Just messing with ya :thumbup:   Hope it's just something minor Josh, keep us posted bud
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 21, 2011, 05:17:19 PM
any of the vegas guys are more then welcome to come over tomorrow, and have a look see!
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: enginedoctor on June 21, 2011, 07:59:31 PM
good luck  Nordie!  Clanks dont lie, I'm  a call away bro !
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 23, 2011, 06:41:55 PM
So today started as the D-day on the tear down, and i am a glass half full type of guy...well it didnt turn out well, but not the end of the world so here are the pics in sequence

I wanted a nice clean work bench for me to throw shit on so made sure that was "somewhat organized"
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0228.jpg)

At this point i was only one beer in and this is why i took the picture
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0229.jpg)

Next i backed the boat into the shop...see i waited for the the swamp coolers to cool it off enough in there to not suffer from heat
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0230.jpg)

Next here is i needed another beer, because i dont know what im expecting
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0231.jpg)

This is when i have some help show up with alot more knowledge then me"homeblown57" is what we call him around here, because i wanted to hear his expertise on the "clunking" noise coming from the motor...my point is when he showed up it was go time! so the pictures get alot more spaced out...so at this point in it's only 3 beers
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0236.jpg)

This is where chaos and mayhem meet...the diagnostic is #6 rod bearing went, and piston met cylinder head so here's the pictures of that
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0232.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0235.jpg)

#6 on the cylinder head side
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0237.jpg)

And my pyle of shit just sitting there
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0238.jpg)

THE END

p.s. anyone wanna guess how many more beer cans are empty on that bench?
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Ralph Brunt on June 23, 2011, 06:57:09 PM
the red x's are killin me
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Brad @ SCJB on June 23, 2011, 07:11:43 PM
http://www.socaljetboats.com/suggestions-support/picture-posting-instructions/ (http://www.socaljetboats.com/suggestions-support/picture-posting-instructions/)
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 23, 2011, 07:20:13 PM
all fixed! guessing there is one too many empty bud lights on that bench lol!
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 23, 2011, 09:41:57 PM
so wudda ya gonna do? Lessee the rod
Title: Nordies New Mill
Post by: lbhsbz on June 23, 2011, 09:47:06 PM
I see a Fawked up burn pattern, but that's about it.  How'd the bearing shit get up in the valley after going through the filter?  What's all that orange shit on the deck surface?
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: enginedoctor on June 23, 2011, 09:57:30 PM
Sweet Chevelle !
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: IRRebel on June 23, 2011, 11:13:16 PM
I see a Fawked up burn pattern, but that's about it.  How'd the bearing shit get up in the valley after going through the filter?  What's all that orange shit on the deck surface?

yeah Dave, Great looking, what '72 Chevelle?

Lots of sparkelys in the valley. Gotta go with Pat on that, but, and I know you were running some pretty long rods and a very high piston/deck height on that, why did only one cylinder give issues? Lemme guess, it's the one with the rod bearing failure huh?  ;)

I don't see head damage though in the pics.......Hows the piston look?  Overall? looks like it ran VERY lean on the front cylinders, looking at the pistons. I know you check yer plugs, so this would be a concern to me. Overall, you can save it!

Ray
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Brad @ SCJB on June 24, 2011, 05:34:35 AM
Overall, you can save it!

dont even bother....nordie is stubborn and is set on 'building a bigger motor' rather then getting back on the water. If he sticks to his plan, he wont see water again until 2012.

i told him to pull the bottom apart and rework the crank and put it back together. he said the crank junk ....but how do you know a crank is junk without even pulling the pan off? :screwy:

so I told him i have a good crank he can use......it was one excuse after another. he just wants to junk this thing and start over for what ever reason.  :sly:

im still convinced hes afraid of water.

Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Brad @ SCJB on June 24, 2011, 05:50:06 AM
so lets lay this all out.

you say you have a junk crank, a flat cam and maybe a bad piston that kissed the head.

what makes it a 'pile' and non rebuildable? i think you really need to reconsider the situation here nordie and look at it in a bit more positive perspective. I know youre a 'glass is half full' kind of guy, but you need to understand you are NOT that bad off in this situation. its totally rebuildable and will not cost you a fortune.

you might need some crank work (~$200) - if not, use mine
You might need a new cam and lifters (~$200-$300)
You might need a new piston (~$50 - its just a hyper  ::))
Need bearings  ($100)
Need gaskets ($75)

You can be out on the water this summer for $400 to $700 depending on the parts you MIGHT need but have no idea what you actually need because you havent even really got into it yet.

i say sack up and make it happen. i know it sucks, im in the same boat as you right now, but you really need to start looking at life in a more positive aspect bud. no one likes a sour puss. i hope you get this shit sorted out and make it happen. let me know if you need a hand.

Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Brendella Pickle on June 24, 2011, 06:20:01 AM
so lets lay this all out.

you say you have a junk crank, a flat cam and maybe a bad piston that kissed the head.

what makes it a 'pile' and non rebuildable? i think you really need to reconsider the situation here nordie and look at it in a bit more positive perspective. I know youre a 'glass is half full' kind of guy, but you need to understand you are NOT that bad off in this situation. its totally rebuildable and will not cost you a fortune.

you might need some crank work (~$200) - if not, use mine
You might need a new cam and lifters (~$200-$300)
You might need a new piston (~$50 - its just a hyper  ::))
Need bearings  ($100)
Need gaskets ($75)

You can be out on the water this summer for $400 to $700 depending on the parts you MIGHT need but have no idea what you actually need because you havent even really got into it yet.

i say sack up and make it happen. i know it sucks, im in the same boat as you right now, but you really need to start looking at life in a more positive aspect bud. no one likes a sour puss. i hope you get this shit sorted out and make it happen. let me know if you need a hand.

Made a few corrections for you...

you might need some crank work (~$125) - if not, use mine
You might need a new cam and lifters (~$135)
You might need a new piston (~$50 - its just a hyper  ::)) <----- Ouch
Need bearings  ($200)
Need gaskets ($75)
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 24, 2011, 08:35:43 AM
Im not sour at all...i dont know why brad persieves it to be...look I can band aid it and buy parts im going to get rid of...or I can sack up wait a little longer and build the motor I want...brad it sucks what happened to your motor but you blow one up every trip...maybe if you tried my approach you'll build one that lasts...now my diagnostic on how the shavings got to the top and on the cam...all I got to say about that is the dizzy was very hard to pull there was brass on the gears   of the dizzy...ray im guessing as well that #6 is the culprit...the head was litely getting smacked...so everyone knows im not treating it like its the end of the world, just took notes on what not to do next time! And just drop the hypers already...even,the one that was bouncing off of the head is in great shape! You guys make it seem like its soooo bad well theres your proof...
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Brad @ SCJB on June 24, 2011, 09:14:09 AM
Im not sour at all...i dont know why brad persieves it to be...

...brad it sucks what happened to your motor but you blow one up every trip...maybe if you tried my approach you'll build one that lasts...

my point proven. I was trying to be supportive, but you are lashing back with petty jabs. I am totally fine, secure and comfortable with my situation. I am just trying to help you out. No need to be childish.

Quote
And just drop the hypers already...even,the one that was bouncing off of the head is in great shape! You guys make it seem like its soooo bad well theres your proof...

im gunna say you are DAMN lucky. and since you asked, heres your proof. look at this shotgun blast of a mess.

(http://www.socaljetboats.com/Images/460-2/IMG_4794.JPG)

(http://www.socaljetboats.com/Images/460-2/IMG_4795.JPG)

(http://www.socaljetboats.com/Images/460-2/IMG_4797.JPG)

and yes, they were KB hypers.
(http://www.socaljetboats.com/Images/460-2/IMG_4805.JPG)
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 24, 2011, 10:25:04 AM
When you guys are doing all your fancy dan measuring, do you check rod side play and thrust? Do you resize the big ends? I found a set of bearings in my garage from back in the day trying to get clearances down to a nats ass dated "1980". Anybody need STD bearings for small journal chevy? Got a steel 327 crank too, I know they all were.
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 24, 2011, 10:33:35 AM
Bet that motor had the wrong ring end gap...probably could happen to any forging...face the facts the pistons are fine....childish petty jabs? Are you high? If I wanted to take jabs at you I would have better material...im just tired of you saying im sour when im really not...it sucks yes...pretty sure I explained this on the phone yesterday
Title: Nordies New Mill
Post by: lbhsbz on June 24, 2011, 10:46:36 AM
Kb hypers require unusually large ring gaps....or they'll end up looking like brad's.  There's a piece of paper in every box stating what the proper ring gaps should be, but most ignore it.
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 24, 2011, 11:03:29 AM
Why are even talking about my pistons cleary is not the issue
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 24, 2011, 11:16:45 AM
ring gaps aint gonna take out a rod bearing. the shit in the valley came right from the rod as it was spinning around. Ring were probably loose as this block was run fefore..i think. For every .001 you open the bore ring gap opens PI, which is 3.147.....Or .003. so it dont take long for gaps to open up wide. So if you've got .002 wear you've open ring gap .006. I wouldnt trust ANY mesurment from ANYBODY unless they measured with THEIR tools and use them everyday. I doubt there are very many people on here that could accuratly measure anything under a thou. I used to machine parts for HPs hard drive robotics and did some for the 1st space shuttle. Some of our tolerences were a hundred times tighter than any boat motor. we used to call automotive machinists, "blacksmiths". We had a machine called a CMM, computer measuring machine, it was in a climate controlled room on an isolated slab. It had a ruby sylist that came in and touched the parts all over and compared to print and gave a report on where the parts is in relation to the print. This was then an ISO-9000 certified part. Someone needs to get one of these set up for blocks. Another thing is you parts will change all day long as temps change if you wanna get real technical.
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: IRRebel on June 24, 2011, 11:19:14 AM
Im not sour at all...i dont know why brad persieves it to be...look I can band aid it and buy parts im going to get rid of...or I can sack up wait a little longer and build the motor I want...brad it sucks what happened to your motor but you blow one up every trip...maybe if you tried my approach you'll build one that lasts...now my diagnostic on how the shavings got to the top and on the cam...all I got to say about that is the dizzy was very hard to pull there was brass on the gears   of the dizzy...ray im guessing as well that #6 is the culprit...the head was litely getting smacked...so everyone knows im not treating it like its the end of the world, just took notes on what not to do next time! And just drop the hypers already...even,the one that was bouncing off of the head is in great shape! You guys make it seem like its soooo bad well theres your proof...

You was running a pretty dangerously high deck height to begin with. That's, I think, why #6 decided it had had enough. Not seeing where it slapped the head, But guessed it from the trailer. Rod bearings are cheap. Pull it apart, get it hot tanked, reassemble with new bearings. I think you're OK.  As far as the oil pressure? i'm betting you spit a lifter or two or bent some pushrods......Probably #6.........Been there and done that! You didn't post pics of that.

Of more concern to me, once back tegether, is WHY the front cylinders look lean and the rears seem normal?  I'd be thinking about that......but then, I overthink things......  :banghead:

Ray
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 24, 2011, 11:29:02 AM
rod bearing gone = piston slap & no oil pressure
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: IRRebel on June 24, 2011, 11:41:12 AM
ring gaps aint gonna take out a rod bearing. the shit in the valley came right from the rod as it was spinning around. Ring were probably loose as this block was run fefore..i think. For every .001 you open the bore ring gap opens PI, which is 3.147.....Or .003. so it dont take long for gaps to open up wide. So if you've got .002 wear you've open ring gap .006. I wouldnt trust ANY mesurment from ANYBODY unless they measured with THEIR tools and use them everyday. I doubt there are very many people on here that could accuratly measure anything under a thou. I used to machine parts for HPs hard drive robotics and did some for the 1st space shuttle. Some of our tolerences were a hundred times tighter than any boat motor. we used to call automotive machinists, "blacksmiths". We had a machine called a CMM, computer measuring machine, it was in a climate controlled room on an isolated slab. It had a ruby sylist that came in and touched the parts all over and compared to print and gave a report on where the parts is in relation to the print. This was then an ISO-9000 certified part. Someone needs to get one of these set up for blocks. Another thing is you parts will change all day long as temps change if you wanna get real technical.

I set up a CMM at a location in Meadville, PA years ago......But that's not fixing Nordie's problem......

Spun rod bearing, probably due to the "no oil pressure" issue..........I see no evidence that the piston slapped the head.......Broken oil pump drive? spit lifter? could be a mariad of things. NO matter what, tear it down, get it all cleaned, then hit it with the hose and brushes, then reassemble. it WAS working! no need to rethink it.  Just think "why did I lose oil pressure? "  There is your WHY!   
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: farmergord on June 24, 2011, 11:52:59 AM
comon Josh put her back together and come to BR drink some Canadian beer  :beer:
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 24, 2011, 02:37:02 PM
So what happens when you lose a rod bearing @ 5600 rpm? If I lost the oil pump drive would one of the    front cylinders be gone first? We already know what happened...why is the question...no offense ray but you are 100% wrong...besides the cam starting to go flat the upper area of the motor is fine...im betting bearing failure due to clearace and spinning 5800 on a stock lower
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: lbhsbz on June 24, 2011, 02:42:56 PM
What were your clearances on the rods and mains? 

Post #26...you said you're pistons were 0.030 outta the hole....which...would require about a .070"
(compressed thickness) head gasket, preferably a bit thicker.  How thick were the headgaskets you used....what was the quench?

Did you use a gasket between the oil pump and rear main cap...or did you bolt them together metal to metal?  any sealer on the mating surfaces?  See what the OP driveshaft looks like when you get the pump off. 

You'll need more than 1 bearing gone to completely lose oil pressure.  I'm thinking the oil pressure caused the bearing failure, not the other way around.   If the bearing caused it, you'd have had a steady drop in oil pressure over the whole weekend.

Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 24, 2011, 02:43:50 PM
D i d  y o u   r e s i z e  R o d s ? ? ? ?     :banghead:
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 24, 2011, 03:16:46 PM
crank rods and pistons were all balanced together...when i took my motor to the machine shop i told them what i wanted, and it ended up 3 thou pretty much across the board for both mains and rods! i researched on the gasket deal for the oil pump and main, but it didnt seem that i needed it i cant remember if i used sealant on it, but im going to say no, because 2 machined surfaces should mate...the head gaskets are .064 but there is only indication on one piston that it slapped the head...i know from the pics that it doesnt look that way, but if you see it with your own eyes it's clear as day

the oil pressure isnt completely gone...i started it a couple times in the garage as i unhooked the pump to make sure the loud bang wasnt coming from that or the crank pulley and i have about 12 psi
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 24, 2011, 03:24:23 PM
D i d  y o u   r e s i z e  R o d s ? ? ? ?     :banghead:









Fuc I give up
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 24, 2011, 03:27:53 PM








Fuc I give up
me too...it's like beating a dead horse! I'll update this thread when mill 2 is done...sound good everyone?
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Luckie Stiff on June 24, 2011, 03:29:50 PM
I'll update this thread when mill 2 is done

See you in 2015  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 24, 2011, 03:36:59 PM
if that's what it takes...there's good advice here then mumbo jumbo, and evedently im taking jabs at people, and doing all the wrong things with this motor "especially the pistons oh no those wont work"...least i know when it's done it will be what i want it to be and it wont matter to anyone else
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Luckie Stiff on June 24, 2011, 03:48:33 PM
Just in case you missed all the smilies I put in my last post, I AM KIDDING, BUSTING YOUR BALLS, HAVING FUN. Now go take your shit apart and get it to the machine shop, August is coming fast.....
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: pw_Tony on June 24, 2011, 04:29:41 PM
My #6 rod went out as well in my motor. After tearing it down and finding the spun bearing, I went to have it turned, just to find out there was a hairline crack on that journal  :sly: I would try and get that motor back together, it would suck even more if an even bigger, more expensive motor got trashed, but that's just my take on it. My bearings didn't overlap, they sheared the chunk off the back of the bearing and spun with the rod.

It's just gonna get hotter outside, get back on the water holmes  O0 Did the piston leave an imprint into the metal on the head? Or is it just clean?
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 24, 2011, 08:36:01 PM
Remember Jays motor w/ the cam 45* out? Bent every intake P-rod and smacked the shit out of the pistons....still runnin today. Guess we should have told him, "Dont try this at home".
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: IRRebel on June 24, 2011, 09:51:50 PM
Remember Jays motor w/ the cam 45* out? Bent every intake P-rod and smacked the shit out of the pistons....still runnin today. Guess we should have told him, "Dont try this at home".

Kinda where I was heading with it, but I think Josh is losing his sense of humour about the whole thing.  :beer:

I'm still trying to wrap my head around how the oil pressure dropped to nothing. Obviously the spun bearing(s) is the result, not the cause.

Ray
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Ralph Brunt on June 25, 2011, 06:39:19 AM
besides the cam starting to go flat the upper area of the motor is fine...
i would like to see a pic of the bottom of the lifter and the cam to see how much metal went into the engine.....hmmmm
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Ralph Brunt on June 25, 2011, 06:47:58 AM
when i took my motor to the machine shop i told them what i wanted, and it ended up 3 thou pretty much across the board for both mains and rods!


fine...im betting bearing failure due to clearace and spinning 5800 on a stock lower

nordie now im confused ???
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 25, 2011, 07:49:20 AM

nordie now im confused ???

im saying the machine shop just told me that, and didnt live up to what i wanted
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Ralph Brunt on June 25, 2011, 08:08:02 AM
im saying the machine shop just told me that, and didnt live up to what i wanted
gothcha ;)
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 25, 2011, 09:47:46 AM
Well here's the pics of the lower end...after these pics i will post here when the new motor is done 2015 right?  ;)

(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0239.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0240.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0242.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0244.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0245.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0246.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0249.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0256.jpg)

alot of the still entact rod bearings looked like this
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0257.jpg)
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: pw_Tony on June 25, 2011, 03:31:16 PM
All the mains are focked.... but is it because of your spun rod bearing, or is the bearing failure from oil pressure beforehand :screwy:
Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 25, 2011, 05:19:52 PM
All the mains are focked.... but is it because of your spun rod bearing, or is the bearing failure from oil pressure beforehand :screwy:

Pretty sure #6 spun and then the rest is history...how this thing is still rotating is beyond me
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Howard19 on June 25, 2011, 05:30:53 PM
 



          GOOD LUCK JOSH    oh at least I say before Dec 2012 LOL
Well here's the pics of the lower end...after these pics i will post here when the new motor is done 2015 right?  ;)

(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0239.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0240.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0242.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0244.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0245.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0246.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0249.jpg)
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0256.jpg)

alot of the still entact rod bearings looked like this
(http://i483.photobucket.com/albums/rr196/1980Nordic/Nordies%20broken%20motor/DSCN0257.jpg)
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Ralph Brunt on June 25, 2011, 06:23:24 PM
some thing to chew on
http://catalog.mahleclevite.com/bearing/ (http://catalog.mahleclevite.com/bearing/)
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 25, 2011, 06:48:33 PM
I have bearings that look like alot of those pictures...the previous machine shop had that chart hanging on the wall...thanks for the link ralph
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Squirrel Master on June 25, 2011, 07:40:43 PM
im al jealous n u make me miss my ls7 cheby motor heres a memorial pic of her
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Brad @ SCJB on June 26, 2011, 09:30:53 AM
based on the last picture. the wear pattern shows me something was out of round.

Title: Re: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 26, 2011, 10:01:47 AM
based on the last picture. the wear pattern shows me something was out of round.

I concur something else I caught last night is the rod studs on #6 pulled out as well
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 26, 2011, 12:06:05 PM
rod studs?
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 26, 2011, 12:29:32 PM
the stud that goes through the rod...you know the part that has to be pressed in...i'll get pics of it later...im getting in the pool it's hot out
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: GT Jets on June 26, 2011, 01:30:14 PM
the stud that goes through the rod...you know the part that has to be pressed in...i'll get pics of it later...im getting in the pool it's hot out


They are bolts, not studs.... ;)

GT
Title: Nordies New Mill
Post by: lbhsbz on June 26, 2011, 01:58:54 PM

They are bolts, not studs.... ;)

GT

Then where's the head on 'em?

As opposed to aftermarket bolts, these would be studs and nuts.....which I hope Nordie upgraded from the stock ones.
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: GT Jets on June 26, 2011, 06:11:16 PM
Then where's the head on 'em?

As opposed to aftermarket bolts, these would be studs and nuts.....which I hope Nordie upgraded from the stock ones.

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Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 26, 2011, 06:28:53 PM
Im talking about the stud that, that the nut bolts onto...ill take pics in a bit
Title: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HomeBlown57 on June 27, 2011, 03:06:41 PM
When I was there we pulled the heads. There was definitely metal to metal contact with the #6 piston and the head. I would say that there was no damage (beautiful heads by the way) to he head. The hyper diuretic piston looked fine also. The deck height was remedied with the gasket thickness. The deck height is odd but not a problem.
Josh, I would love to see you get a cheap cast crank, maybe a new rod and get it back on the water.
As for Josh being sensitive, imagine building a 5 year engine and losing it after a few trips. Regardless of the amount of money in the engine you typically build it to match your budget. Then if you lose it, it is difficult to find the budget to do it again. Whether it's a patch or an upgrade just doesn't matter at that point. (patch it) my .nO2
Title: Nordies New Mill
Post by: lbhsbz on June 27, 2011, 03:35:29 PM
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those are nuts
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: GT Jets on June 27, 2011, 05:42:33 PM
those are nuts


The very end of the red line is the cap of the bolt......They could be called studs, but are like lug bolts/studs.... By saying a stud pulled would indicate they are threaded/pressed into the rod, they are not....They are simply knurled at the head and are a snug interference fit, there is a head on the bolts.....

GT

Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 27, 2011, 05:59:34 PM
Geez you guys, google rod bolts and you'll see a freakin pic, or here:[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 27, 2011, 09:10:24 PM
Geez you guys, google rod bolts and you'll see a freakin pic, or here: (Attachment Link)

terry ill regaurdless i know you are trying to help, and you actually have a very valid point on the big end of the rods! but once again im going to call them studs, and they were the upgraded model...7/16 arp studs lol!!!it looks like #5 is actually the one that has the backout issue on the press in arp 7/16 studs....it's all good though i got a good direction on where im headed now so i'll keep you fine people posted, but it looks like i am in the hunt for a nice 4 bolt block no more then 30 over! the urban miners are gonna love me lol!
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 27, 2011, 09:17:11 PM
Hey brutha u can call em popsicles if ya want. There was a four bolt core motor on craigs the other day, cheap i'm thinkin $260 So, did we resize the rods or check them? I know it's gonna sound dumb but are we sure the rods got tourqed, were the bolts seated?
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 27, 2011, 09:20:18 PM
Hey brutha u can call em popsicles if ya want. There was a four bolt core motor on craigs the other day, cheap i'm thinkin $260 So, did we resize the rods or check them? I know it's gonna sound dumb but are we sure the rods got tourqed, were the bolts seated?

well terry that's why i took it to a machine shop to get what i wanted done, well i know that machine shop will not be getting my buisness again...trusting them was my first mistake...will i got back after them or slander them no...it's time to double check places, and get what i want...
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 27, 2011, 09:28:24 PM
You see that twisted up rod on my bench I had gold irridated? Nothing broken, somebody forgot to torque that shit. So I got a '66 Nova SS for $300 off a tweeker, put a crank kit and one rod in it and away we go..
Title: Nordies New Mill
Post by: lbhsbz on June 27, 2011, 10:28:03 PM
..trusting them was my first mistake...

Yup, I told you that.  Unless they assemble it and back it with a warranty in writing, their "word" ain't worth shit.  My offer still stands.  I've got plenty of high dollar bore gauges/mics/etc....I'm happy to loan anyone who wants 'em to check the machine work before it goes together.  Really getting tired of seeing motors that last a weekend or two because someone trusted someone to do something right.  If you want it done right, do it yourself, after educating yourself about it
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 27, 2011, 11:23:56 PM
I know u wanna do what you wanna do but I found these real quick:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/2455633087.html (http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/2455633087.html)

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/2461972113.html (http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/2461972113.html)

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/2452965445.html (http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/2452965445.html)
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 28, 2011, 09:46:31 AM
I know u wanna do what you wanna do but I found these real quick:

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/2455633087.html (http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/2455633087.html)

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/2461972113.html (http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/2461972113.html)

http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/2452965445.html (http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/2452965445.html)

#1 i called this guy and his son answered they want 4500 and they arent very intelligent, statements made were this motor would cost you 15K to build, and you can rev this thing to 9000 rpms and it will love it

#2 and 3 if i had the funds i would probably be buying one of these blocks it's gonna be august before my first purchase on anything will be made!
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 28, 2011, 10:20:19 AM
#1 Thats why it's been under the  bench for 10 yrs. thot maybe could be parted out

#2 Cool, maybe some usable parts

I'll keep my eyes open
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: Nordie on June 28, 2011, 10:21:44 AM
just got a promising text message 3 numbers were mentioned and then a price

the 3 numbers are 540
price well i'll keep that my little secret
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: HDriderTH on June 28, 2011, 10:35:45 AM
Ok Rockafeller. Keep me posted and i'll let ya know if I find anything.
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: enginedoctor on June 28, 2011, 06:06:52 PM
Nordie, sup bud!    Just wanted to add that your main bearings tell the story... Imho your main bearings show an overall "out of round /alignment housing condition".... With out seeing all parts myself, I really dont wanna comment further, except that you should "Mic" your parts out your self after you get back from shop!As the assembler YOU are the quality control dept. therefore I rec. you mic. stuff out yourself. buy/borrow the measuring tools bro!   Sorry to see your engine fail Brotha  :banghead:
Title: Re: Nordies New Mill
Post by: enginedoctor on June 28, 2011, 06:27:38 PM
Nordie, I reposted "Engine building tips" thread.... thought that might help.
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