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« on: July 17, 2019, 07:57:52 PM »
Surprised the kids today when i got home and said lets go to lake perris. I hooked her up and took off. Got it off the trailer and was ready to go. I turned the key and the starter just kept turning i quickly grabed the back of the ignition cause my initial thought was that the ignition switch turned and wasnt going back. Seconds later i jumped to the back and shut the batteries off. Put it right back on the trailer and came home. Now i get a click at the coil but nothing at the starter. I have 2 battery tenders one for each battery. Ill be plugging them in to get back to normal hoping the extended starter turn over just drained the batteries but thats me just hoping. Any thoughts. Bbf

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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2019, 08:32:10 PM »
I meant clicking at the solenoid not coil

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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2019, 08:07:54 AM »
 Either the starter solenoid contact has welded itself to the contact posts or the relay has stuck, if so equipped.   Does your boat have a relay in the solenoid line (it should but not all boats do)? Either situation will give you a "stuck" starter. Usually after cutting power the stuck contact will drop out of engagement,  but will stick again the next time you energize it. If it's a relay failure,  its an easy replacement. If it's the starter sol, you CAN replace it, but you have to partially disassemble the starter to do so. Most people will replace the complete starter assy at this point.  Hopefully it's a top mount.

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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2019, 08:41:00 AM »
The bending might be stuck, give the starter a couple raps with a hammer.


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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2019, 09:01:04 AM »
If the starter keeps turning after the key is released, it's NOT a stuck Bendix drive. The electrical contact in the solenoid (or relay if so equipped) is welding itself shut and not dropping out. This happens when they get old and the copper coating gets burned off the steel contact plate.

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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2019, 12:23:45 PM »
Is this a Ford or Chevy?


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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2019, 01:33:48 PM »
Is this a Ford or Chevy?


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Last part of his post.
Bbf.

Old fords did not have a solenoid on the starter.

Just a 'fender' mount solenoid, usually near the starter, maybe mounted on the rear of the head, or on the bell housing.

Newer 460's had an integral solenoid, much like gm starters. I still use a Ford solenoid with my gm starters, both trucks and boats.

Sometimes the bendix gets rusty from the bilge, and perform less than stellar.

That's all I got.

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2019, 06:44:37 PM »
Where the cable go to the starter   follow it the solenoid. There should the starter cable to one side of the solenoid and the battery power to the other side. There should be one small wire, that would be the wire to activate the starter. Take a pair of pliers and touch the two big wires, the motor should turn over. If it doesn’t turn over you have a starter problem. If does turn over you have a solenoid problem. The little wire activates the solenoid at the key. With a test light ever time you turn the key to start that little wire at the I Solenoid should be hot. That little wire when to turn the start connect the two big wires to give the starter power.


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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2019, 06:51:35 PM »
If the wire at the starter is hold to the starter, is hot when you turn the to start. The starter is bad, or the bendix is stuck in the fly wheel.  Again hit the starter a couple times with a hammer.


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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2019, 10:06:35 AM »
This is the solenoid thats came with the boat.

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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2019, 10:08:10 AM »
Is there a difference besides appearance id prefer the other style cause of where its mounted

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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2019, 11:12:01 AM »
Is there a difference besides appearance id prefer the other style cause of where its mounted

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Yes, the other one would work.

It looks like you have a solenoid on the starter too. And the top solenoid gives power to the other solenoid (small gauge wires)

The starter is always hot wired this way.

I use the top (Ford fender) solenoid for the battery cable, and a cable to the starter. The bottom (gm style) solenoid is jumped from the big wire to the s terminal on the starter.

Hope this makes sense.

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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2019, 02:30:49 PM »
Also, don’t forget to clean your ground connections while your at it.


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« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2019, 06:05:06 PM »
Take a pair of pliers and touch the    two big terminals. The motor should turn over. If it doesn’t the starter is either stuck on the flywheel or the starter is bad. That  solenoid was used on fords for a long time. There is not another solenoid on the starter.


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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2019, 09:14:09 PM »
Either the starter solenoid contact has welded itself to the contact posts or the relay has stuck, if so equipped.   Does your boat have a relay in the solenoid line (it should but not all boats do)? Either situation will give you a "stuck" starter. Usually after cutting power the stuck contact will drop out of engagement,  but will stick again the next time you energize it. If it's a relay failure,  its an easy replacement. If it's the starter sol, you CAN replace it, but you have to partially disassemble the starter to do so. Most people will replace the complete starter assy at this point.  Hopefully it's a top mount.
Thank you for the reply. Its under the header and ill be doing research on a relay

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