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Loader Grate
« on: October 13, 2011, 11:20:00 AM »
Think the Loader Grates are worth the $$$$ ,Reading on these looks like you get a 5-7 mph for $200.00,,any one Gain  or have the same speed. :)

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Re: Loader Grate
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2011, 07:53:02 AM »
I don't believe that you will gain 5-7 mph. I have used a loader in a 21 ft Eliminator closed bow running about 550hp. Currently have one on my Rogers running about 750hp and it does make a difference. Tried one on my 21ft Cobra and it made ZERO difference. Big heavy boat. I think the lighter the boat the bigger the difference you will notice. I also like that it pulls the jet down keeping you hooked up. Make sure you get the one that is rated for your application. Also $200 is high. I've seen several for $150.

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Re: Loader Grate
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2011, 05:45:16 PM »
3 boats, 2 loaders... fastest boat, no loader (Jacuzzi @ 5500 rpm 71.8mph, no loader) what would it do with a loader?

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Re: Loader Grate
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2011, 06:20:08 PM »
Pretty much the same story on the old Pickle boat. Went from the Ski type angle iron loader to a custom made one from Nick. Actually pulled the RPMS down 500 to 4500 RPM, I sense I lost speed, but never bothered to check it, it was pretty obvious. Simply went back to the old loader. I will say, agreeing with 74rogers, it DID squat the ass of the boat down, give a little better holeshot, and made it not quite so "squirrely" at speed. This thing only had maybe 300-350 HP, and was pretty well matched with what it had. Had I hit it with another 100 or so HP, probably be a very different story.

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Re: Loader Grate
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2011, 08:51:10 PM »
     Not every loader will work with every boat its a test and retest to see which loader works best,I also had Nick make me a custom race loader which actually bought the ass end up on the boat and a sick hole shot.

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Re: Loader Grate
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2011, 08:58:33 PM »
I don't believe that you will gain 5-7 mph. I have used a loader in a 21 ft Eliminator closed bow running about 550hp. Currently have one on my Rogers running about 750hp and it does make a difference. Tried one on my 21ft Cobra and it made ZERO difference. Big heavy boat. I think the lighter the boat the bigger the difference you will notice. I also like that it pulls the jet down keeping you hooked up. Make sure you get the one that is rated for your application. Also $200 is high. I've seen several for $150.

Your are correct about the loaders working well/better on the lighter boats...A cruiser, not so much. I have seen gains and losses in the 5MPH range though...Although on high HP aluminum tunnels...The speeds are already in the high 80's so in percentages, not a lot of gain...It is the RPM change that always blow my mind. They make it possible to do more with less....

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Re: Loader Grate
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2011, 09:07:22 PM »
 X2 on the RPM change after trying 3 different loaders the last one aired out the best, and but me at 6300 RPM'S

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Re: Loader Grate
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2011, 09:25:53 PM »
Holy Crap Brian! 6300? I know your engine is good for it, but really?

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Re: Loader Grate
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2011, 09:30:56 PM »
When you install a loader, it's not a case of "bolt it in and you're done", especially if you are buying an "off the shelf" , "one size fits all" loader. You also need to see where the leading edge of the loader is relative to the keel. In most cases they will hang down well below.  You really need to trim the ramps back to get the desired balance between better loading of the pump and , for lack of a better term, "drag"
from the ramps.

Ray, your case is a prime example. The 500 rpm drop indicates that your pump is not loading very well without that loader. However, the fact that the boat feels like the tail is stuck to the water indicates the ramps hang too low. You should have cut them back a little at a time to find the proper balance. I have no doubt you would be gaining speed with a little trimming.

For the record, here's my story. Eliminator Sprint with a delta pad to which the previous owner added a small "bubble" ahead of the intake. Pump has been machined for shoe and rideplate and has a diverter.
Ran a pretty consistent 80mph at 5400rpm with a rock grate. Borrowed a friends loader and and saw a gain to 85 mph. Purchased a custom loader from Jack at MPD. At the same time, I acquired an Edelbrock QuickData and set it up to measure upper and lower intake pressures. With the loader installed "as-is", I saw 82 mph. Negligable rpm change. Upper pressures were way higher than the lower. Clamped the loader in a mill and moved the leading edge back 5/8"(which only raised it about 1/8"-3/16") and beveled the edge same as it had been originally. Again, saw 82. Rpm dropped about 50, pressures didn't change much. Took another cut on the ramps. This time I left the trailing edge of the bevel just in front of the access hole for rear mounting bolts, probably about another 5/8" shorter ramp. This raised the leading edge about 1/4". This cut took my speed to a consistently repeatable 89+ mph. Rpm was now 5200-5250. Upper pressure was still higher than lower but the lower was coming up compared to earlier tests. With a little time spent on ride plate angle and diverter angle, got it to 90.4mph (90.6 with header water off and Basset header mufflers removed). Loader has been cut back again and ready for another test but boat has not been back in the water. So to summarize, switching from a rock grate to a loader gained me 2mph. Trimming the loader ramps gained me another 7 for a total gain of 9mph. I have no doubt that the additional untested cut will bring a little more speed.

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Re: Loader Grate
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2011, 09:34:27 PM »
When you install a loader, it's not a case of "bolt it in and you're done", especially if you are buying an "off the shelf" , "one size fits all" loader. You also need to see where the leading edge of the loader is relative to the keel. In most cases they will hang down well below.  You really need to trim the ramps back to get the desired balance between better loading of the pump and , for lack of a better term, "drag"
from the ramps.

Ray, your case is a prime example. The 500 rpm drop indicates that your pump is not loading very well without that loader. However, the fact that the boat feels like the tail is stuck to the water indicates the ramps hang too low. You should have cut them back a little at a time to find the proper balance. I have no doubt you would be gaining speed with a little trimming.

For the record, here's my story. Eliminator Sprint with a delta pad to which the previous owner added a small "bubble" ahead of the intake. Pump has been machined for shoe and rideplate and has a diverter.
Ran a pretty consistent 80mph at 5400rpm with a rock grate. Borrowed a friends loader and and saw a gain to 85 mph. Purchased a custom loader from Jack at MPD. At the same time, I acquired an Edelbrock QuickData and set it up to measure upper and lower intake pressures. With the loader installed "as-is", I saw 82 mph. Negligable rpm change. Upper pressures were way higher than the lower. Clamped the loader in a mill and moved the leading edge back 5/8"(which only raised it about 1/8"-3/16") and beveled the edge same as it had been originally. Again, saw 82. Rpm dropped about 50, pressures didn't change much. Took another cut on the ramps. This time I left the trailing edge of the bevel just in front of the access hole for rear mounting bolts, probably about another 5/8" shorter ramp. This raised the leading edge about 1/4". This cut took my speed to a consistently repeatable 89+ mph. Rpm was now 5200-5250. Upper pressure was still higher than lower but the lower was coming up compared to earlier tests. With a little time spent on ride plate angle and diverter angle, got it to 90.4mph (90.6 with header water off and Basset header mufflers removed). Loader has been cut back again and ready for another test but boat has not been back in the water. So to summarize, switching from a rock grate to a loader gained me 2mph. Trimming the loader ramps gained me another 7 for a total gain of 9mph. I have no doubt that the additional untested cut will bring a little more speed.

Your data is awesome...Now you know why we always build two loaders.....Cut too far, you can't get the sh!t back in the horse... :sly:

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: Loader Grate
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2011, 09:34:36 PM »
Holy Crap Brian! 6300? I know your engine is good for it, but really?

Ray
   6300 RPM'S lol its been so long I forgot O0 just check my notes on the loader swaps I went from 5500 to 5800.

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Re: Loader Grate
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2011, 09:37:21 PM »
Your data is awesome...Now you know why we always build two loaders.....Cut too far, you can't get the sh!t back in the horse... :sly:

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Before I started trimming, I already knew if I went too far I could send it back and have ramps the length I wanted put back on. 8)

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Re: Loader Grate
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2011, 09:38:14 PM »
Before I started trimming, I already knew if I went too far I could send it back and have ramps the length I wanted put back on. 8)


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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

 


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