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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Pound for pound
« on: February 26, 2020, 08:40:24 PM »
Lol loved that comment bro . When I run with some of u jet guys they get me out of the hole and get 100-200 feet on me and then I run them down lol . I will run with most guys unless I know the set up lol but if I see a BIG ASS blower then it’s meh it’s cool u less they will run a mile straight then I will . My sled loves chop lol more chop the faster she runs

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Pound for pound
« on: February 26, 2020, 08:52:12 AM »

Now the last piece to my jet boat is a pump rebuild as it’s pretty worn out.

Like having a tournament ski prop on a hotrod flatty. It works, but isn't ideal.

It's like comparing apples to French poodles.

"The power is in the pump"

In certain drag racing classes, jets routinely line up with V-drives, and it's all up to the driver. No clear advantage.
V-drive guys don't like hearing about that.

On the river, in my experience, a few v-drives had their asses handed to them by a (my) ditch pump.
Likewise, I've seen the transom of more than one v-drive. (My junk only gps'd 72 mph)

The one clear advantage is cubic dollars- how fast can you afford to go?

That's all I got.


WTB / Re: Stainless impeller
« on: February 25, 2020, 11:43:35 AM »
Looking to buy a stainless impeller for a jacuzzi 

Cash in hand

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Hen's teeth are more common.

WJ? Or YJ?

Best bet, is Tom @ Jet Boat Performance.

Or possibly an energizer kit, to run a Berkeley style impeller, and then get a stainless impeller. Again, Jet Boat Performance would be my choice.

Good luck with your search.


The No Wake Zone / Re: Where are the molds ??
« on: February 11, 2020, 06:47:35 PM »
1999 19' TR

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The No Wake Zone / Re: Where are the molds ??
« on: February 11, 2020, 09:05:36 AM »
Eliminator recently did a 21' Daytona, less engine. I believe Teague did the engine and final rigging. Big blower motor if I remember right.

I couldn't imagine the price tag on that one.

Here on Scjb, there was an ad for a complete tunnel hull, 7 color gel coat, for $9k? It's been a while, prices have probably gone up. This is/was a new hull. Still needs everything else, engine, pump, interior, and  even a trailer.

There is new boats to be had, but you gotta search for them.


Jet Pumps / Re: Jg pump problems
« on: February 08, 2020, 10:59:48 AM »
Getting ready for the burley Idaho race was checking  my pump out ,the input shaft seemed to move back and fourth about a 1/2 inch and it spins pretty freely the impeller sounds like a tin can noise,  talked to George at ars marine he built the pump  said it might sound like the thrust bearing , pumps only 3 yrs old after a 3000 dollar rebuild real bummed , last year blew 2 motors one my brand new stroker motor broke in the first 20 minutes  had a roller lifter fail ,brand new everything  , took out the block and camshaft  and then scrambled to get my back up motor fixed that had a blown head gasket  then after the swaps lasted until late August  then blew another head gasket now I get to pull the pump and send it back to George  this really sucks , but I'm not quitting!! 😠

I'd pull it apart and see what's going on. Several places have an impeller puller. Hopefully the wear ring isn't welded to the impeller. And the wear ring didn't take out the suction housing. Sounds like the bearing slid up on the shaft? 


Jet Pumps / Re: YJ with energizer transom plate or cover
« on: January 06, 2020, 02:44:14 PM »
I want to look up a diagram of the pump before I dig in.  Anyone able to confirm what I have here?  I’ve decided to have the boat painted, wondering if I should tape off the transom pump area or remove it??

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It's an insert pump.
That changes a few things.

Golden eagle was one of Jacuzzi's pumps, I just don't remember if it was the insert pump.

If it doesn't leak, mask off and leave the insert in the boat. The insert is "glued" into the hull with something like seagoing epoxy, just like a typical pump intake.

Disassembly will be pretty easy with the engine out. And probably the only way to remove the shaft, as it comes out the front. (Bearing comes out the front)

CP Performance has quite a few videos on disassembly of Berkeley and derivatives. The internals are essentially the same, just a Jacuzzi insert housing. Probably Jacuzzi's bearing on a energizer shaft. possibly Jacuzzi seals too.

I hope this helps


The No Wake Zone / Re: ISO My Late Fathers '72 19' Cheetah Stiletto
« on: December 29, 2019, 06:33:44 PM »
My Fellow River Rats your help is needed! In early '72 My father commissioned  a custom built Cheetah when they were located is Stanton Ca. Originally it was Orangish red with a silver deck and a shit ton of metal flake,a closed bow,closed engine compartment. It had a Olds 455 Rocket spinning a Berk jc with a jetovator,and thru the hull exhaust. Ser up with lefthand steering.  It sat on a single axle Roadrunner trailer. Shortly after my dad brought the boat home,he was transferred up to Sacramento for work. Sometime in the late '70's- early '80's ,my Dad sold the boat due to the gas crunch and it being hard to insure. THE boat was sold in the Sacramento area. Then my my Dad died in '83. It has been my Drwam to find said boat and firepower and restore the Boat in My Fathers Memory..... So if ANYbody out there knows ANYTHING about said boat Please help a Brother out! Would be willing to pay a finders fee...

I, too, have been looking for my pops boat. 74 Eliminator, 18' 460/Berkeley combo. White and green. Sold it in 83, in Hemet, Ca.

I'll probably never find it.
I'm building a boat for me.
On the back, it'll say "Thanks Dad"

Only squirt boat #4 for me. Yeah, it's a sickness. My pops started it back in '77 with that boat. That 7 year old kid still plays with boats. 8)

Good luck with your search.

Find the CF numbers, and go from there.


Jet Pumps / Re: YJ with energizer transom plate or cover
« on: December 29, 2019, 06:05:15 PM »
How would you know when it time to service the pump?  I have the motor out, going to be going back in around 500HP.  Should I address anything on the pump?

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It's pretty easy to put a bearing and seals in, if everything else is good.

But it can be a can of worms.

I'd look at the front of the impeller.
And then check the front to rear wear ring clearance.

To change the bearing and seals, the bowl has to come off anyways.

Then check the rear of the impeller, as well as the cut of it. Inspect the bowl bushing and seal too.

Might as well pull the impeller and wear ring and check the radial clearance.

Now you are ready to pull the shaft with the bearing on it.

If everything checks out ok, then press a new bearing on and start reassembly.

Minus the bearing and seals, and a couple of gaskets, it's mostly labor. But will a new mill, it's cheap insurance and peace of mind.


The No Wake Zone / Re: CDL
« on: December 23, 2019, 07:21:47 AM »
I have 3 on my phone, I don't have the skills to post pics up

I'll keep trying .


The No Wake Zone / Re: CDL
« on: December 20, 2019, 02:14:51 PM »
I got mine at 18- (1988)
I let it go in 2002, didn't need it anymore.
My pops taught me on a 5&3, and still have my '59 Pete, 262 (warmed over), with a 5&4.


Projects / Re: 1975 Mandella Flatbottom Jet
« on: December 13, 2019, 05:19:47 AM »
Wtf!!! What has California come to when can’t work on your own shit in you own house.

That's an hoa for you.

But it works both ways. 

I don't have to listen to somebody grinding away at something, either, if I'm in an hoa.

No, I don't live in an hoa.

Pick your battles.


The No Wake Zone / That time of year again
« on: November 29, 2019, 04:19:44 AM »


Arcade / Re: Outlaw nationals
« on: November 27, 2019, 08:29:12 AM »
Has anyone ever been? Was thinking about making a road trip on Friday morning...

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You know, there is actual racing on the same day.
On my same river.
In the same town.
Just sayin'


From RPM Racing

The last race of the 2019 SCSC racing season, The Blue Water Resort & Casino 73rd Annual Thanksgiving Regatta - SCSC 2019 Season Championships Presented by Nick Rose Insurance, Absolute Speed & Marine, Mike Brink Property Mgmt, RaceTec Pistons, Jet Re-Nu, Hot Rods & Hobbies, Amsoil, Twisted Liquid Marine on Friday & Saturday, November 29 & 30th.

It all comes down to this, come out to see who will be crowned 2019 Champion in each class!

Grab the family and come down to The Blue Water Resort & Casino and catch all the racing action! Practice at 9, racing at 11. Admission is Free, please park in Resort parking lot.

For those that can't make it down to Parker, the event will be livestreamed at surfrat

For all updates and information, please visit Home Page | SCSC Racing or call (310) 318-4012 email

Boat Racing / Re: Jet Boat Racing
« on: November 13, 2019, 01:35:10 PM »
Rules- from RPM Racing-

I've gotten quite a few responses about the "Classic Jet" class wanting to see the rules. I have posted the rules that govern all three "Classic" classes - Endurance, Flat and Jet below. Please feel free to email or call me with any questions. They are up along with all other class rules at under the "forms/resources" tab.

Ross Wallach, Race Director SCSC

SCSC Racing Rules – Rev.2019.02 P a g e | 31
Classic Classes

A. Classic Endurance
1.0 Any hull built before 1982 or splash off of a hull built before 1982, with a length not more than 23’. This will include flat bottoms, v-bottoms, runner bottoms or tunnel bottoms.
2.0 Any powerplant, gas, diesel, with carburetors, injectors, blowers, turbochargers. No nitrous.
3.0 Propulsion systems include; direct drive, v-drive, in/out, outboard, and jet.

B. Classic Flatbottom
1.0 Same requirements in year built and less than 23’, flat bottom, runner bottom
2.0 Engines, gasoline only. Any carb/induction/blower/turbos.
3.0 Propulsion system to include direct drive or v-drive.

C. Classic Jet
1.0 Any jet hull built before 1982 or replica.
2.0 Engines, gasoline only. Any carb/induction/blowers/turbos.
3.0 Any jet propulsion drive. The drive will not utilize any jet-o-vator that impairs driver visibility for a following boat.

D. Speeds
1.0 Maximum speed of 85.9 mph as recorded by a handheld GPS unit affixed to the boat or driver. a. The GPS unit will be examined prior to the start of each individual heat and immediately after that heat. If the GPS unit does not register any speed or an obvious lower speed, that competitor will be penalized one (1) lap. b.Additionally, if the speed recorded is 86-88 mph that competitor will be penalized one (1) lap. c. If the speed is faster than 88 mph that competitor will be disqualified and at the discretion of the race officials will not compete in the classic class for the remainder of the event. E. Safety and Sporstmanship will be paramount and fostered at each and every event.

1.0 It is the intention and goal of the “Classic” classes and competitors to have a safe and rewarding experience, and to allow as many Classic racers to bring what they have to race. 2.0 It will be the competitor’s responsibility to have equipment that will pass a safety inspection prior to each event as required by race officials. F. The “Classic” classes will be run as a local class through an SCSC sanctioned event. Any questions or additional requirements will be addressed through the sanctioning organization(s) prior to the event.

Boat Racing / Jet Boat Racing
« on: November 13, 2019, 01:31:28 PM »
Quoted from RPM RACING

Calling all Jet Boat racing enthusiasts and Comp Jet Racers!! Classic Jet (85 mph max GPS) is looking to make a return 2020! Wanna go racing??? This is "run whatcha brung" racing!! No spec for engine displacement, anything goes! For more information please contact or 310-318-4012

Can't leave anything alone so I decided to install a 555 BBC out of my offshore boat into my jet boat. Should be around 650 to 700HP. I have a 1984 Hallett and am wondering how you access the back side of the stringers?

I have not pulled the carpet back yet but I am hoping that part of the floor can be removed. I have not been able to find anything online on how to install in a boat with a floor. Plenty of examples out there with exposed stringers.

Here is what I got going. Holy shit I found a lot of stuff like flip flops, lighters and money under the motor.

My plan is to buy the semi-custom kit from CPPerformance unless anyone has other suggestions.

On my day cruiser, the floor below the jump seats in the back are just screwed down. About 18" x 30" piece comes out, and the back side of the stringers are accessible.

76 Eliminator day cruiser, 21'

And on the rail kits, JBP has them too, made in house, I believe.


Called Eddie Marine today to inquire about the center riser style manifold, which would definitely solve my problem.  Unfortunately they only make this for SBC and BBC......this is so frustrating!

I know there is a center riser out there for a 460 Ford, I've seen them.

Sounds like the best possible way.


WarZone / Re: Catamaran
« on: October 26, 2019, 12:08:18 PM »
Does anyone know of a jet powered catamaran manufacturer?

Catamaran makes me think of sail boats.

Eliminator Daytona is a tunnel hull, is that what you mean?

There are quite a few tunnel jets made by different manufacturers. 18' to 21' or 22' is pretty popular in jets.

If I'm spending your money, but a new one.


The No Wake Zone / Re: San Francisco bay gotta spread my dads ashes
« on: October 26, 2019, 11:57:28 AM »
Sorry for your loss.

His send off will be epic. Godspeed.

Spray all the aluminum and chrome with wd 40. Helps keep the salt corrosion away, and easy to clean up. (Valve covers, intake, etc.)
Wash the trailer really good, too.


Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Cam upgrade BBF
« on: October 24, 2019, 08:59:50 PM »
Chrome? Or aluminum?

It looks like a single plane manifold, if it is, and the ports are reasonably close to matching the heads, I'd run it.

If its chrome, is it iron? Not that iron is bad, but it's Damn heavy.


Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Cam upgrade BBF
« on: October 24, 2019, 07:53:26 PM »
Edelbrock performer is usually a safe bet, edelbrock claims 455 ft lbs of torque with stock heads, and good intake, yours looks like it has an aluminum intake (or its painted silver)

I'm not a Ford guy, so others might know if there is something better for your application, but I've had good results with edelbrock parts.

Or you can find a similar cam from summit or jegs


Mini Jets / Re: 11ft home built mini
« on: October 20, 2019, 10:43:50 PM »
Started life as a 18ft kona. Took 2ft out of the center and 6ft off the length. berkeley jet with place diverter, powered by a gsxr 600. Not sure what that combo will do but we'll see. Plan on keeping the 6spd tranny in play

First, I'm not a motorcycle guy.

Second, the gsxr 600 makes between 90 and 110 hp, @ ~13,000 rpm,  depending on year. These figures are from the interwebs.

For a Berkeley pump, with a "C" cut impeller, (the smallest impeller with a detailed chart, from JBP) requires 92 hp @ 3300 rpm, and 110 hp @ 3500 rpm. This is pump shaft rpm.

With the gsxr transmission, 3rd or 4th gear might achieve 3500 pump shaft rpm, with an engine rpm of 13k rpm.

A "C" cut, as well as a "D" cut impellers are not as efficient as an "A" or "AA" cut impellers.

With trying to compare a mini jet boat to a 18' jet boat, it's difficult at best. Let's try.
My boat, 18', Sbc 350, Berkeley "A" impeller, at 4000 rpm, is roughly 45 mph, ~ 228 hp.
With a "C" cut impeller, 228 hp would be about 4500 rpm. The volume of thrust (water) would be similar. So would the speed. (A @ 4000 vs C @ 4500).

2700 rpm is about the slowest I can keep on plane. Somewhere around 22 mph. With a theoretical C impeller thats about 3000 rpm.

Even if your mini jet boat is half the weight, with a "C" cut impeller, at  3500 pump shaft rpm, 35 mph would be full throttle. Possibly 40, but I doubt it, just a wild azz guess. Remember, to achieve 3500 pump shaft rpm, the gsxr will, WILL, be @ 13,000 rpm.

I would go one of two (or 3) different ways-

Keep the Berkeley, and put in a light engine, with double the hp (Think Subaru flat four? 3100 60° GM V6? Ford 2300 turbo?)

Or keep the gsxr, remove the Berkeley, and use a suitable jet ski pump.

Or use an entire jet ski engine and pump. (The aluminum mini jet boat guys have been doing this for years)

I hope this helps.
Others might have more insight than I do.


Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Over transom headders wet
« on: October 17, 2019, 03:09:48 AM »
New to jet boating loving it, I have 468 with logs and snails thinking over transom headers would be rad. I'm curious about how you preheat the water without the water jacket in the logs and would I still verry the water flow with the valve on the pump?

The water is no longer preheated.

Water from the pump is slowed down, using the gate valve at the pump, to maintain engine temperature. 130° underway is plenty, and running 155° in the no wake zone is fine.

The water is Tee'd off to keep the headers cooled. 30 hp is typical, even more on performance builds.


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