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« on: October 02, 2007, 08:29:44 PM »
This is a partial resto of a 16' tahiti in progress Tom


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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2007, 09:25:42 PM »
Now is the time of year you should be swamped with work.  Ya can't run em so you may as well work on em!!  :D  I'm just about to the point where there aren't going to be many more days to get out on the water and the close that time gets the more I play with what I've got.  YA HEAR THAT YA'ALL  call it your Christmas present to yourself! 
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2007, 09:32:43 PM »
Someone must really like that Tahiti.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2007, 09:43:39 AM »
Someone must really like that Tahiti.

lmoa !! An old car business guy once told me "theres an a$$ for every seat"  (refering to a car deal) this little boats in pretty good shape ,it ought to clean up real well Tom

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2007, 10:27:12 AM »
Got a funny looking windshield!!  :D 
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2007, 11:48:21 AM »
We had a lot of fun in my buddy's Tahiti 16 back in the early 80's. :)


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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2007, 01:21:32 PM »
We had a lot of fun in my buddy's Tahiti 16 back in the early 80's. :)



Old Squirt Nice boat! ..after a few year "hiatus from boats in the mid eighties I bought one similar to that ,its what got me back in to Jets (Mine was a converted outboat) very fast (or so it seemed) lol ...Tom

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2007, 01:56:28 PM »
that hull is a direct replica of the 16' wriedt stinger we have been working on....i have seen a picture of a tahiti that is just like that one (and the wriedt), but it was an outboard.

anyone know the relation between tahiti/wriedt with this hull? who splashed who? maybe oldrigger will chime in.
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2007, 03:04:57 PM »
They all stem from Tahiti. Schuster and Gil Gaska tooled up the deck on a Glastron hull in 1964. Jerry Wriedt's shop was on the same street as Tahiti, Weiman, Howard and a few others back in the day. He actually had a shop before Schuster opened Tahiti, but he was a V-drive guy then. Schuster and Gaska worked at Powercat, they were on the same street too, but that was in 1960-1 or so, a few years before Tahiti.

Here's one of Jerrys flatties on craigslist right now. I can remember my dad telling me that Jerry would rig now and then at tahiti even though he had his own shop. There were too many orders and not enough riggers/laminators back then. lol

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/boa/436942852.html
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2007, 03:22:30 PM »
And before them was David F. Miller.  David F. Miller the originator of Miller Boats, started off his career by working for Northrop Aviation during WWII, building wind tunnel models. Obviously his work was Top Secret! All his models had to be built to exacting measurements out of wood. Needless to say, he was extremely accurate. After the war ended, he went back to customizing cars. In 1952 he started building all wood flatbottom ski boats utilizing the latest boat tech (v-drives). His experience with aviation designs helped put him ahead of everyone. He was the first boat builder to utilize "Afterplane" in his bottom design and built the first boat to exceed 100 mph in the 1/4 mile on gas and carburetors in 1959. Keep in mind, back in 1959 engines were much smaller, the engine used for this world record was under 400 HP.  Needless to say, Everyone in the boat business back then, copied David's concepts and design. But one thing they couldn't copy was his skill with wood.  This was copied from John Miller, David Miller's son's web site.

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2007, 03:44:35 PM »
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Very cool post GAWnCA! I love that look of that bow in the upper right corner of the page!  :o
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2007, 03:49:02 PM »
And with all due respect to Miller, before him was Rich Hallett and Fred Wickens who more than any one are responsible for bridging the gap between the wood 'Chris Craft/ Hacker' style of boat, both Wickens and Hallett built in the 1930's, and what the boats evolved into post WWII and into the 50's...long before David Miller entered the picture.

The boat in question in this thread is the 16 foot Tahiti style of boat, nothing to do with Miller. You want to bring other builders into the mix, start another thread.

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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2007, 04:06:30 PM »
And with all due respect to Miller, before him was Rich Hallett and Fred Wickens who more than any one are responsible for bridging the gap between the wood 'Chris Craft/ Hacker' style of boat, both Wickens and Hallett built in the 1930's, and what the boats evolved into post WWII and into the 50's...long before David Miller entered the picture.

The boat in question in this thread is the 16 foot Tahiti style of boat, nothing to do with Miller. You want to bring other builders into the mix, start another thread.

You just HATE it when someone shows the real history, don't you.  How about showing the guys history that you mentioned.  With all due respect, how is it that Miller held all the speed records if these guys you mention are so world renowned?  They may have been there in the beginning but who's name shines? 
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2007, 04:07:17 PM »
Very cool post GAWnCA! I love that look of that bow in the upper right corner of the page!  :o

Ain't that cool.  I wonder what that would cost today?
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2007, 04:12:12 PM »
You just HATE it when someone shows the real history, don't you.  How about showing the guys history that you mentioned.  With all due respect, how is it that Miller held all the speed records if these guys you mention are so world renowned?  They may have been there in the beginning but who's name shines? 

I think you missed the subject of this thread.....i do believe we are talking about tahiti's and their history and relations to other boats (splashes/copies/etc). Not the history of boat building in general.

What you posted was so far in left field to this topic. Yes, it was cool information, but irrelevant to the subject at hand.

Please keep toms thread on subject.

Edit: the argument has been split off to here: http://www.socaljetboats.com/index.php/topic,1786.0.html
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2007, 04:20:13 PM »
I think you missed the subject of this thread.....i do believe we are talking about tahiti's and their history and relations to other boats (splashes/copies/etc). Not the history of boat building in general.

What you posted was so far in left field to this topic. Yes, it was cool information, but irrelevant to the subject at hand.

Please keep toms thread on subject.

Sorry about that Brad.  Back OT.

Tom does some really good work and his PR is one of the best around.  Need a question answered you can call and get the scoop without a lot of BS.

As far as I'm concerned, they are all cool boats from that era.  And it goes without saying, the basic design must have worked, we still run them today and we don't need Roll Bars, or fancy upholstery to get out and have fun.  Sure we like to customize them to make them our own but it doesn't require a complete redesign like the boat mfgs do today.

I like damn near all the old hot rod style boats, from SK types to Hydros.  "V" Drives, Jet Drives, I/Os, and even some outboards, as long as you don't have to paddle.  :)
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2007, 08:17:34 PM »
Sooooo.... Heres some 16 Tahiti pics ... from today looks, like it will need a little bottom work (makes a good case for not beaching your boat) ,also interesting how a "golf ball size rock can get "sucked thru a sewer grate" lol    like the old "golf ball thru a garden hose thing "   Tom




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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2007, 08:34:11 PM »
Sooooo.... Heres some 16 Tahiti pics ... from today looks, like it will need a little bottom work (makes a good case for not beaching your boat) ,also interesting how a "golf ball size rock can get "sucked thru a sewer grate" lol    like the old "golf ball thru a garden hose thing "   Tom



I'll bet there are a lot of hulls that look like this.  You see lots of photos of beached boats.  I read somewhere that a pump will suck stuff off the bottom at idle from as far down as 3 feet.  Didn't look like it did much damage tot he impeller.  Am I right?
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2007, 01:46:46 PM »
Tom, if you haven't already torn the pump down, could you measure the clearance at the front of the impeller? Curious to know how loose those were from the factory. Pic seems to indicate a pretty wide gap.

. .... Didn't look like it did much damage to the impeller.  Am I right?

Although a person could spend the time(and money) to reshape each the leading edges of those impeller vanes, I'd say there is enough damage there to consider that one toast. Don't forget the likely wear/damage to the wear ring surface. New aluminum impellers are relatively inexpensive.


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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2007, 02:48:01 PM »
Although a person could spend the time(and money) to reshape each the leading edges of those impeller vanes, I'd say there is enough damage there to consider that one toast. Don't forget the likely wear/damage to the wear ring surface. New aluminum impellers are relatively inexpensive.


Upon a second look-see, I do see the damage.
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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2007, 08:52:25 AM »
Tom, if you haven't already torn the pump down, could you measure the clearance at the front of the impeller? Curious to know how loose those were from the factory. Pic seems to indicate a pretty wide gap.

Although a person could spend the time(and money) to reshape each the leading edges of those impeller vanes, I'd say there is enough damage there to consider that one toast. Don't forget the likely wear/damage to the wear ring surface. New aluminum impellers are relatively inexpensive.



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By the way the first pic here is the way the boat came in ,the customer claims he got a massive ticket at Don Pedro for " not haveing an approved flame arrestor" make me wonder why the Ranger didn't notice the Autmotive HEI ,non marine ALT , starter etc.. Tom




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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2007, 09:27:31 AM »
What year is that little 16? I was trying to guess based only on those medallion gauges, at least they look like the old medallion gauges. Could have been changed through the years, but those came later like '75 or so. And what's that rectangle thing mounted by the steering hub?

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« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2007, 09:43:59 AM »
And what's that rectangle thing mounted by the steering hub?

that friend of mine here locally has an hour meter that looks just like that.  It has a big a$$ black trim piece around it.....real ugly looking on his white boat with white gauges and blue anodized bezels.

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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2007, 11:15:59 AM »
What year is that little 16? I was trying to guess based only on those medallion gauges, at least they look like the old medallion gauges. Could have been changed through the years, but those came later like '75 or so. And what's that rectangle thing mounted by the steering hub?


My Dads out right now so I told him I'd post these up for him. I couldn't find any HIN on the transom or inside of the boat but I'm sure this will tell ya.



And the rectangle on the dash is an over elaborate bilge pump switch


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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2007, 01:07:26 PM »
I thought my bilge switch was ugly... It's just a little gold switch on the dash a bit smaller than that ignition...

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« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2007, 01:19:33 PM »
Thanks for the pis Josh. That's one ugly switch.


Looks like Keith Oran assembled it, can't see any marks along side rigger.
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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2007, 02:31:19 PM »
Thanks for the pis Josh. That's one ugly switch.

dang, I was hoping to see your Dad's initials on that plate!

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« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2007, 07:41:55 PM »
... I'd love to put a Dominator intake in it too (as this one needs a lot of work)...

Why?
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« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2007, 08:27:42 PM »
Why?

Yea, why ? Is it a better intake or does it just fit the shape of the hull better?  ???
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« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2007, 09:56:32 AM »
Why?

lol ...partly due to how nice it is to install a brand new intake vs chipping and grinding and heliarcing and old one...however the Dom performance intake is premachined for a ride plate and shoe too Tom

Propless thats the intake I would want for you as well ..

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« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2007, 12:04:06 PM »
dang, I was hoping to see your Dad's initials on that plate!
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« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2007, 04:17:49 PM »
might be a good place to put the sterio !


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« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2007, 07:49:41 AM »
ha ha ha Rob this boat prolly would have had an "8" track  Tom

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« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2007, 08:14:14 AM »
ha ha ha Rob this boat prolly would have had an "8" track  Tom

 ??? wtf is that ("8" track) ? Some kind of secret performance part? ???

I refuse to be old enough to remember what an "8" track realy is, and you can't make me !!!!
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« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2007, 09:04:54 AM »
??? wtf is that ("8" track) ? Some kind of secret performance part? ???

I refuse to be old enough to remember what an "8" track realy is, and you can't make me !!!!
I hear that!  :-X

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« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2007, 10:10:57 AM »
How 'bout...........4 track?!?!

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« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2007, 11:33:50 AM »
ha ha ha Rob this boat prolly would have had an "8" track  Tom

 ;D  Going through some junk in one of my mother's sheds (she nor my dad ever through anything away)  I found some old "8" track tapes and a stereo with a player in it.  I wonder if I could capture them to the PC and then burn a CD?
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« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2007, 11:36:32 AM »
How 'bout...........4 track?!?!

HD - I remember those too!!  Don't have any of those though.  I've also got about 5 stacks of  18" tall of 33 1/3 LP albums with nothing to play them on.  Found a couple of old 78's too.  No 45's!   :-[
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« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2007, 07:56:41 PM »
Since we've already hijacked this thread and Greg mentioned LPs, I gotta tell you I have 2 LP box set  of the 1964 Winternationals and I think the 1965 Winternationals. I havent heard them in years but kept them as they are so damn cool (in a corny way). There's even some audio of the Freight Train twin engined dragster and one of my hero, Ronnie Sox running in Superstock.

Shit, now I wish I still hand a damn phonograph so I could dig those out and play them. I know my kids have never heard them.....

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« Reply #39 on: October 07, 2007, 08:29:35 PM »
I can handle playin that bro I still got me Sony Disco (double throw down badass) turntable replete with Strobe timing  !  Tom

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« Reply #40 on: October 07, 2007, 09:09:55 PM »
I can handle playin that bro I still got me Sony Disco (double throw down badass) turntable replete with Strobe timing  !  Tom

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« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2007, 10:54:12 AM »
Since we've already hijacked this thread and Greg mentioned LPs, I gotta tell you I have 2 LP box set  of the 1964 Winternationals and I think the 1965 Winternationals. I havent heard them in years but kept them as they are so damn cool (in a corny way). There's even some audio of the Freight Train twin engined dragster and one of my hero, Ronnie Sox running in Superstock.

Shit, now I wish I still hand a damn phonograph so I could dig those out and play them. I know my kids have never heard them.....

Last time we were at costco they had a turntable for sale that turned your lps into a file of some kind on a computer for about 100 bucks. It just pluged into the back of the computer then I'm guessing that you could burn a cd from it? I didn't get one but should have I also have a few big stacks of old albums and 45s.

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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2007, 07:56:05 PM »
Sox OMG .. your taking me way back lol  Greg if you get that 8 track I found a Tape box with about 18 factory tapes lol

Heres some more Tahiti pics from the last couple days ....





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« Reply #43 on: October 12, 2007, 11:18:38 AM »
As long as were talkin ancient electronics, I always wanted to hook an NES up to an LCD monitor in my silverado, always made me laugh thinkin about an 8 bit system playn on a hi res screen and mono sound through 2000 watts, but I never got around to it.  I'll still put my NES up aganst those PS(whatever the hell the number is this month). now back to the tahiti

Tom, if you haven't already torn the pump down, could you measure the clearance at the front of the impeller? Curious to know how loose those were from the factory. Pic seems to indicate a pretty wide gap.

I didn't quite have a feeler gauge that big... So I made one. ;D -Josh

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« Reply #44 on: October 12, 2007, 11:54:41 AM »
I think this is tecnically a "C" now



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« Reply #45 on: October 12, 2007, 12:12:51 PM »


The wear ring measured about Standard (7.251").


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« Reply #46 on: October 12, 2007, 02:59:37 PM »
I especially like the yellow "lock tight", I've never seen yellow stringey lock tight before.
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« Reply #47 on: October 12, 2007, 04:34:36 PM »
I especially like the yellow "lock tight", I've never seen yellow stringey lock tight before.

It's special NyLock Stuff...  You only find it in the center of ski ropes!!  :D :D :D
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« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2007, 05:32:10 PM »
As long as were talkin ancient electronics, I always wanted to hook an NES up to an LCD monitor in my silverado, always made me laugh thinkin about an 8 bit system playn on a hi res screen and mono sound through 2000 watts, but I never got around to it.  I'll still put my NES up aganst those PS(whatever the hell the number is this month). now back to the tahiti


Josh, take that NES crap back home. I remember Jan and I standing outside the Pennys downtown in the rain/snow just before Xmas (pre-mall era) to get this double throwdown, blow-ur-skirt up new thing called ATARI.
It came with a game called Pong! I ruled with that.  Of course, that was the last game I could make work. We now have Xbox and Jan and the kids got me NASCAR. All I can do is crash and take everybody out......... ;D

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« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2007, 08:34:11 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D Tom (PONG)   you  had to be stoned to play it 'cause it was sooooo boring lmao....

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« Reply #50 on: October 13, 2007, 12:20:35 AM »
Pong ruled when that was all there was...  I swear we played that game , course it was th one that only played pong and 2 knobs on a foot and a half game to turn...  LOL that was a while back.

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« Reply #51 on: October 13, 2007, 07:15:42 PM »
Ok so were "on the mend ...going back together  heres some pics for today.. Tom





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« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2007, 11:23:22 AM »
That boat is coming along quite nicely Tom .

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« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2007, 08:52:54 PM »
Thanks Omar I'll call you this week Tom

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« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2007, 09:10:44 AM »
here ya go, a complete home and auto 8 track system with 8 tracks!  I bought it to replace the 4 track I had (I wonder why I didn't keep that too?)  Anyway, I had the Panasonic FM/8 Track player in my first boat, a 1975 Tahiti Tiger.  At the time, it was one of the best 8 tracks you could get, it even had a key to lock the deck to the slide to prevent theft.  Nevermind all you needed was a pocket knife to remove it :D



Just think, you could be cruising down the lake listening to Bob Seger, Box Scaggs, Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes, Tower of Power, ELO, Joe Walsh and many more on an 8 track!
But wait!  You can also get an original movie sound track from Saturday Night Fever! :D
Why I still have this stuff I'll never know  ::)

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« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2007, 10:01:01 AM »
Well, if once I dig out all my tapes and the stereo, and they still play, I may dub them over to the PC and burn some CDs.  I know, it's not the same but what can I say.   ???
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« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2007, 07:34:29 PM »
Geez Cas I'm thinkin that stuff needs to be in the Smithsonian museum  :) Tom

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Geez Cas I'm thinkin that stuff needs to be in the Smithsonian museum  :) Tom

all that and more!  One of these days I'll get rid of it.....or pass it on to my kids  ;D

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« Reply #58 on: October 17, 2007, 08:03:49 PM »
Here's some pics from today ,almost done Tom



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« Reply #59 on: October 23, 2007, 07:39:35 PM »
So the little boat goes home today ,looks a lot better stil needs some paint work ..Tom
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« Reply #60 on: October 23, 2007, 07:56:07 PM »
Tom,  Looks DOG GONE GOOD.  Maybe the paint comes later.   Greg
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« Reply #61 on: October 23, 2007, 09:23:31 PM »
Good work as always Tom. Keep it up.
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« Reply #62 on: October 24, 2007, 10:06:59 AM »
Thanks guys .kind of secretly wish I could have driven the little boat ,the motor was so quiet and mild mannered me and Josh weren't sure it was running lol Tom

Got three NEW projects coming to a Socal board near you ,21 Daytona ,19 Placecraft and 18 Centurion tunnel Will be posting some final pics of the Blown Miller this week .....
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yay. Lovin the cat's. Those Daytona's steal my heart with their good looks...

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« Reply #64 on: October 24, 2007, 01:04:05 PM »
hey tom...how about that busted ass pump rebuild?  ;)

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« Reply #65 on: October 24, 2007, 07:20:24 PM »
Hey Tom...
... I appreciate your time you take posting these projects. Its a get contribution to this site.

Me too!
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« Reply #66 on: October 24, 2007, 08:00:27 PM »
Cool everyone can't lie its good exposure ,but at the same time I really enjoy sharing as well Heres the next couple of canidates from today Tom

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« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2007, 08:04:28 PM »
Thread jack!!   :o

I want GPS results on that Miller! And $ results too!   ;D
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« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2007, 09:01:10 PM »
 ;D ;D Inquiring minds want to know!! (us too ,patience grasshopper) for now savor these to new Hot Rods  Tom




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« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2007, 09:18:18 PM »
......awesome!

2 projects just for warlock!  >:D  ;D

i've seen that daytona somewhere before.....hmmmm....  ;)
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