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« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2007, 09:16:51 PM »
Just because the transome cover does not fit does not mean the pump won't fit.
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2007, 12:22:13 AM »
.... And yea I know the outboard will be faster, have more room, and use less fuel, but thay are BUT UGLY and sound downright UNAMERICAN !!  I WANT MY BIG BLOCK !! There's nothing better than pulling out the baffeles and wakeing up the whole lake at 7am  ;D ;D ;D



Fix it, sell it, make  a couple bucks, and buy what you want for keeps.  ;) You're going to pay through the assss if you make that a jet.
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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2007, 10:06:50 AM »
And yea I know the outboard will be faster, have more room, and use less fuel, but thay are BUT UGLY and sound downright UNAMERICAN !!  I WANT MY BIG BLOCK !! There's nothing better than pulling out the baffeles and wakeing up the whole lake at 7am  ;D ;D ;D
Merc UNAMERICAN?! Thats the original AMERICAN BOAT motor.. ;) There's nothing better then quitely flying by the obnoxious dude with his baffeles out and the whole lakes sees it since he woke em all up.... ;D

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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2007, 10:07:22 AM »
kinda hafta agree with hotrod, fix it and make the money, get another one :)
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« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2007, 10:12:33 AM »
**** that, fix it and run it. You will be happier doing that. ;D
save the car motor for the car >:D
fix it up and you can pull about 10k for it or run the piss out of it.

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« Reply #30 on: July 26, 2007, 10:22:19 AM »
**** that, fix it and run it. You will be happier doing that. ;D
save the car motor for the car >:D
  Nice one Plesh... ;) ;D ;D

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« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2007, 02:47:12 PM »
outboard on this one brotha.

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« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2007, 10:38:18 PM »
 
 Well it's Home now !!!!  And after a 3 month battle with D.M.V. I finally got my title !!  I showed them who's the BOSS  ::) !  I started cleaning it up to see what is realy under all those years of grime and dirt  >:( .

After some wet sanding and polishing the colors are starting to show again  ;D  I just did the right side (in the pics) to show the difference .





here is one showing how small the stringers are in this hull (compaired to the pack of cigs) , and the pretty balsa floors .





a shot under the deck, still pretty scarry under there. But look how thin the supports are , the ones that go across the boat are 1/4in plywood  :o



Thats all for now.  It will take lots of time and money but someday it will be a realy nice boat again !!!!



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« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2007, 11:15:04 PM »
I coulda sworn the boat tom was doing that conversion on was this boat.....

anyways....cool boat.....whats your plans with it?
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« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2007, 11:28:30 PM »
I coulda sworn the boat tom was doing that conversion on was this boat.....

anyways....cool boat.....whats your plans with it?

 Get the stringers changed and collect parts to convert it to a jet or V drive !  ;D
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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2007, 10:23:40 AM »
wow, that is going to clean up into one really bitchen boat, again congrats on the score and glad to hear you got the title
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« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2007, 10:30:39 AM »
Hey propless I'm with you dude no freakin 2 smoke motors allowed. Thats no fair though I think your boat is cleaner than mine. Wouldn't it be kinda fun showin up at the dock with the same boat. :o

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« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2007, 09:28:54 PM »
Thats no fair though I think your boat is cleaner than mine.

Umm , No ! This thing is nasty !!!! That dirt on the left side of the hull is not dirt and it does not wash off !  I had to wet sand the right side and polish it to get it off  >:( . Looks like years and years of no love  :'( .

Also, I think your hull is a much better  / stronger starting point than mine and It looks pretty good to me.  And you got seats !  I dont have any of those  :( , one more thing on my list .  ;D

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« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2007, 06:32:19 PM »
Hey propless. I don't think I'll be savin my gel.(maybe for this year) there is some pretty good ouches on mine, painted below the rub rail ,old repairs delaming ect. she's no virgin, anyway bump for a brotha.

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« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2008, 05:14:08 PM »
 Oops, Kinda forgot about this thread (been busy with the little boat).  Here's a couple shots of it all cleaned up and running  :o :o .  I still cant believe the motor runs,  but I hooked up the batt today and it fired right up again.  I haven't done anything more to it, just wanted to update the thread.  I really need to finish that little Eliminator so I can get to work on this one.  I sat in it today (making vroom vroom noises) and I really think this is going to be a cool boat again someday. 



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« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2008, 05:21:05 PM »
BTW , If anybody has a big (28+ pitch) prop that will fit this (reasonably priced), let me know !!
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« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2008, 05:28:00 PM »
Looking for a round ear or a cleaver? I'll have to check what I have left but may have you covered either way, can that 300 turn a 28? Wow, have you thought of gearing up? The most efficient prop pitch is around 24"pitch (by efficient, I mean best bite, or less slip.) I have like fourty props, most of which were Demo's, I will be taking inventory soon (day or two).
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« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2008, 06:21:57 PM »
 GT, let me know what you find  ;D .    I really don't know anything about OBs or props (see user name  ;) ) , but I was told this thing is the 455 olds of OBs, nothing over 5500 rpm or it will start throwing parts (rods) at me  :o .   It had no prop when I got it and hasn't been on the water in a loooong time (at least two owners).  I did find out it should have 300 hp at 5300 rpm and is torque monster.  The gearing looks to be between 1.6 and 1.7 to one.   I just figured a 28 or more would be a good safe starting point to see what it does without over revving it  ???

 Here's a shot of the motor, its an early 80s Black Max 300, 3.4 L ,  Its a HUGE old beast !!!  It has 15 splines on the shaft and that's all I know except that it smells funny when it runs (cough, cough) and I have to premix the oil   ::) ;D  I guess it will also need a thrust washer (?) and whatever else I need to mount the prop (there's nothing on the prop shaft) ????   

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« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2008, 06:45:53 PM »
Use good two stroke lube, (I really like Amsoil high perf. premix or their injector oil mixed at about 60:1) these motors have a tendency to "Ring Jack"(when carbon builds up behind the rings and galds the cylinder walls).

 If it were mine, with that jackplate and bracing, I would run about a 25" pitch cleaver, or a chopper, it will come out of the hole like an oversized poop, but once on plane should scare the holly hell out of you, overpropping an lugging the motor is as bad as overreving due to the heat build up in the cylinders. I will see what I have left and we'll do some "experimenting", I'm hoping you have the 1.62:1 lower, it would make it rare but faster than hell, when you pull the lower to replace the water pump count the rotations it takes to get the propshaft to go around once (two turns = 2.0:1)

Does it have solid motor mounts? very very important...

Something very few people know/understand, the more oil you run in the premix the "leaner" the engine runs, so "less is more"
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« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2008, 06:48:32 PM »
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« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2008, 08:12:09 PM »
I'm hoping you have the 1.62:1 lower, it would make it rare but faster than hell, when you pull the lower to replace the water pump count the rotations it takes to get the propshaft to go around once (two turns = 2.0:1)

Does it have solid motor mounts? very very important...

 Thanks for the advice GT.  It takes somewhere between 1.6 and 1.7 turns of the flywheel to get one rotation of the propshaft, (not sure exactly, its been awhile) might be 1.62  :-\ .  It does shift into gear  (forward and reverse) and appears to have some sort of drive ratchet ?

 Motor mounts ???  It has motor mounts ???  Where would they be ???  You can tell I'm a real expert on OBs, cant you  ;D

 Also the propshaft is about about 3" or 4" below keel (the lowest setting on the brackets), and the lower unit has no low water pickup (cant find one for this old beast).

 Is it hard to change the waterpump ?

 A little history on this thing.  When I got the boat the owner didn't know if it ran or not (never tried to play with it), so I assumed it was junk.  I bought it just for the hull (I always wanted one).  I did a compression check and it had the same compression on all 6 cylinders  :o (+/- 10 psi).  I shot some 2 stroke oil in the cylinders and it started to even out more (haven't checked again it now that it runs).  When I finally figured out the wiring  :banghead: :banghead: and tried to start it, it ran on three cylinders  :( .  I started checking things and found no spark on 3 cyl.  After a lot of this  :banghead: :banghead: it turned out to be a bad switch box .  I got a deal on a set of used switch boxes (changed both) and it started right up ( in a HUGE cloud of smoke !!! ), it ran rough but cleared out after awhile. It does not use the fuel pumps on the motor (it has a holly blue pump and regulator, 5 psi),  and someone in the past did some modifying on the cover over the carbs.

 You now know everything I know about OBs
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« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2008, 09:14:58 PM »
I have a free box of crap for you (not literally), Its a complete ignition/charging system from a Mariner 2.5 and should be the same as yours. BTW we used to call the Black Max's B/M's ::)

The motor mounts (there are 4) are in the clamshell looking pieces on the side of the exhaust housing and two more bolted to the tiller assembly, its very easy to verify, just wiggle the motor by hand back and forth, should be pretty solid, if it wiggles easily and feels like "suspension", you need to upgrade to solid mounts, these are really inexpensive.

The nose cone and LWPU you need is actually for a gen.2 Alpha series drive, with some minor modification works tits.

Like I was saying the gear ratio should be a 1.7:1, but a 1.62:1 would be friggen awsome, keep your eyes open for one, if you can pick it up cheap do it, it would mean another 6-7 MPH.

The water pump change is necissary but pretty straightforward, should be done every other year or more (cheap insurance).

BTW these things normally use about 3psi fuel pressure at the most.

A cleaver type prop is a "transom lifting" prop and will make that tunnel really work, but a "chopper style" would make it much more driveable (makes "slop" count the same as "skill"  ;))

Looking forward to seeing this thing run, always wanted a Big block powered stern drive Daytona, Maybe in my "next life"
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« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2008, 11:41:30 PM »


I have a free box of crap for you (not literally), Its a complete ignition/charging system from a Mariner 2.5 and should be the same as yours. BTW we used to call the Black Max's B/M's ::)
  I love free crap  ;D ;D

 Motor mounts,  I cant feel any wiggles from the motor.  If i push really hard on the top of the motor the whole boat / trailer moves first.  I think these are the lower ones  ???, right , there are plastic covers over them.  They look to be solid inside ( I poked around in there a little and everything felt like metal, cant really see the upper ones


The nose cone and LWPU you need is actually for a gen.2 Alpha series drive, with some minor modification works tits.
Is this something you can do ?  I was told the lower unit on these motors was there downfall (if you break it throw the motor away, no parts available, and nothing will interchange).

BTW these things normally use about 3psi fuel pressure at the most.

 That might explain a few things  ::) (slightly rough/erratic idle), pushing fuel past the needle and seat ?

A cleaver type prop is a "transom lifting" prop and will make that tunnel really work, but a "chopper style" would make it much more driveable (makes "slop" count the same as "skill"  ;))
"Slop" count as "skill" !! That's for me !!!  But I was thinking something basic just to get an idea what the boat/motor wants.  And for me to learn how to drive this thing  ::) ( first OB and first tunnel ).  I was told something like a 28 pitch bravo would be a good all around starter prop for this thing, but I have no idea if thats right or not ??  I just know that this motor is not suposed to be able to spin high rpm like the new ones.

 BTW , Thanks for all the advice on this thing its really hard to find any info on this old timer (worse than a V8 Evinrude)
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« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2008, 11:56:30 PM »
Sounds like this thing was set up pretty well, I need to go through about ten years worth of crap, but I think I have a Mercury marine write up on that motor, they came up with it to try and chase down the 300 GT Johnson, but the Johnson is a freak of nature that just simply hauls the mail without asking questions.

The thing that makes that lower special is the vertical driveshaft, its a liitle queer. The aftermarket makes a ton of shit for that thing, but its pricey as hell.

I'll post up some stuff tomorrow.

Right now I'm going to go check my eyelids for leaks.
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« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2008, 11:33:19 PM »
Well, it's tomorrow and I didn't get home early enough to do a damn thing pertaining to boats, had to replace the fan in my refrigerator, find out why my washing machine sounded like it was doing dry burnouts in a high school parking lot, and reload all my network settings on the home network so my wifeepoo and daughter could print their homework, sorry for the threadjack but I'll get to you tomorrow propless, TTFN ;)
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