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« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2008, 11:14:30 AM »



Well then there it is. I will just buy another crank and make it my 468. I aint making parker at this rate>:(

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« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2008, 11:16:03 AM »



Well then there it is. I will just buy another crank and make it my 468. I aint making parker at this rate>:(

2sav

Dude, If you need any help putting this thing together...you know the number.

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« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2008, 11:17:55 AM »
Sorry, didn't mean to "piss on your cornflakes", as my dad would say.



No worrie's, Your reply's have been more than helpfull. I just have not had any luck with engines lately.  Thinking i should have just bought a crate engine and been done with it. Im tired of piecing shit together.

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« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2008, 11:19:07 AM »


No worrie's, Your reply's have been more than helpfull. I just have not had any luck with engines lately.  Thinking i should have just bought a crate engine and been done with it. Im tired of piecing shit together.

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It's not you, it's the engines ;)

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« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2008, 11:25:46 AM »
Dude, If you need any help putting this thing together...you know the number.

Thanks, if i ever get my shit together. I got to go to Vegas again next month sooooooo..... expect a call ;D

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« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2008, 03:35:17 PM »
2Sav, just out of curiosity, where were the helicoils?  I didn't notice any in the head bolts and they felt like they torqued ok?  I would be happy to help pay for some of the machine work or reimburse you for the block,  like I said, I had no idea it was a basket case.  I knew it needed going through, but this is outa control.........

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« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2008, 03:41:14 PM »
2Sav, just out of curiosity, where were the helicoils?  I didn't notice any in the head bolts and they felt like they torqued ok?  I would be happy to help pay for some of the machine work or reimburse you for the block,  like I said, I had no idea it was a basket case.  I knew it needed going through, but this is outa control.........


Yeah the deeper i get into it, well anyways. I found them behind the head to block dowels. Machine shop said its very common for the 396 blocks that old :(

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« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2008, 04:28:14 PM »
Let me know, as soon as I get some cash in from another part I sold I'll gladly reimberse you.  Also, you can have the set of rods/pistons I was talking about.  Sell the 396 rotating assembly, get a new std crank, and your back in business with a fresh std/std rotating assembly that is a 454.........   

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« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2008, 04:47:39 PM »
Let me know, as soon as I get some cash in from another part I sold I'll gladly reimberse you.  Also, you can have the set of rods/pistons I was talking about.  Sell the 396 rotating assembly, get a new std crank, and your back in business with a fresh std/std rotating assembly that is a 454.........   



Yeah then i can punch it out and get me 468 >:D   Woo Hoo

Thanks Jason, you are the man!!!!!

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« Reply #59 on: February 02, 2008, 09:50:14 PM »
glad to see this working out.
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« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2008, 08:42:02 AM »
So 2sav,  I'm still curious about the helicoils.  There's only 2 dowels per side, so does that mean only 2 helicoils in the deck on each side?   My understanding is helicoils are just as strong if not stronger than stock threads.  Don't know if the leakage into the water jacket would be an issue...  I can't see throwing away a 4 bolt block that is otherwise fine because of that.  Seems to me that you have a great opportunity as long as the other block checks out.  If the rotating assembly is fine, just e-bay the block, rotating assembly,  and the smaller heads.  Keep the bigger ovals and have them gone through.  I'll get the rods and order new .060 pistons for ya in what ever comp ratio you want.  All you need to do is get rid of the 396 parts for enough to cover the cost of machine work on the block and enough to buy a brand new a Scat crank, and you're in business.......   You should easlily be able to cover the cost of that for the 396 stuff.  I know somebody would want that stuff if the only issue is the helicoils and the rest the rotating assembly is good.  Would make a decent cruiser/ski boat package or who knows what.  4 bolts are getting tough to come by. 

That way, you'd end up with a whole new rotating assembly in a fresh 468 block without any real out of  pocket costs.  I have been burned so many times on buying motors and stuff that turns out to be not what I expected, and I don't want to see people here get burned.  This boat world is way to small to hose people and that's just not my style.  I feel really bad about that thing turning out to be a basket case, and I know you're not putting all this effort into your deal to end up with a compromised package.  Do it right and get what you want the first time, otherwise you'll regret it in the end..   Let me know and I'll be happy to help out any way I can......   Jason

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« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2008, 09:45:17 AM »
http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/pts/549492472.html



shoot, i may just have to go buy this.....

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« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2008, 11:24:45 AM »
Looks like a sweet deal, couldn't reproduce it for that amount........  The only thing that would make me a little sketchy is the March pulley system.  Usually those are full accessory systems meaning water pump, AC, etc.  That means it was most likely built for a street rod or car.  Clearences are diff in an auto motor and the cam might not be right for a boat.  Then if you change the cam,  what about the springs?  Set up for high rev marine cam?   I lost a motor once because the springs were not matched to the cam profile and it floated and dropped a valve. 

Still looks like a great deal for what is there, I guess it would just take a little homework.

Can anybody explain the heliciol issue?????   I'm not by any means an expert, but I can't see that it would be that big a deal as long as the bolt will torque correctly and it doesn't leak....   

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« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2008, 01:48:28 PM »
Can anybody explain the heliciol issue?????   I'm not by any means an expert, but I can't see that it would be that big a deal as long as the bolt will torque correctly and it doesn't leak....   





From what the guy at the machine shop said, the bolts  go into the water jackets so there is nothing to stop the heli coil from just turning when you torque the heads down.  I will know more tomorrow when i go back and pick up the heads. I had them tanked and magged. This time i will talk to the owner, i dont even know who this other guy was ??? never seen him there before but...........




That roller motor sure sounds good right about now.......  But someone should tell him. All BBC are stamped HI PERF.... its nothing speacial ;)

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« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2008, 07:36:29 PM »
Well i went as far as pulling the top end off ,  and im glad i did. i found this little rock in the cam and lifters


Then i found sand in the cylinders :o
2sav ::)

It's always nice to find shit before it ruins your Summer!  glad you stuck to your guns and had a peek.
Now in saying that...  Get it cleaned and back together  ;D  Spring is just around the corner.
Sure like to know how the small rock and sand got in there though  ???

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« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2008, 08:10:34 PM »
::)

Lol Ralph. This stuff is good, I was going to use it and it only has surface rust, the picture makes it look bad. If Steve can't use it I'll take it back and give money back

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« Reply #66 on: February 04, 2008, 10:57:38 AM »
Steve, I talked with several folks and the general feeling is that the helicoil issue should not be a problem as long as they are correctly installed and they hold torque correctly.  I would not throw that block away unless they can verify that there is no clamping force left. 

Having said that, I think the only reasonable course of action to take would be for me to refund you're money.   I learned the hard way on this one, but It was my fault for not doing my homework and checking the numbers like I should have.  I will be out there in a few weeks and I can pick up all the parts that went with the package.  I'm sorry this thing turned out to be basket case and delayed your project, but I won't feel right on this unless you were getting what I indicated to you was for sale.  As far as the rock goes, that one's a mystery to me.  The motor did sit in my garage for a while with the manifold off, but I didn't see it when I put the the manifold back on.  I even looked to check the cam for obvious signs of being eaten up and that should have stood out like a sore thumb.  The ride out might have shaken it loose or something.

Let me know what your feeling is,  but by your posts I get the feeling that you feel you got screwed and I don't want that.  This stuff is costly enough as it is without spending money on bad parts........ From now on, I'll be taking stuff to my machine shop to be verified before this stuff gets sold.  Starting a new business in this industry, I realize that your rep is only as good as your word, and I know that some folks in the past have made the mistake of thinking that won't catch up to them, it will and always does.........  Jason


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« Reply #67 on: February 04, 2008, 11:00:05 AM »




From what the guy at the machine shop said, the bolts  go into the water jackets so there is nothing to stop the heli coil from just turning when you torque the heads down.  I will know more tomorrow when i go back and pick up the heads. I had them tanked and magged. This time i will talk to the owner, i dont even know who this other guy was ??? never seen him there before but...........




That roller motor sure sounds good right about now.......  But someone should tell him. All BBC are stamped HI PERF.... its nothing speacial ;)

2sav

You might be able to getaway with head studs just seal em real well.

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« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2008, 11:10:52 AM »
I realize that your rep is only as good as your word, I know that some folks in the past have made the mistake of thinking that won't catch up to them, it will and always does......... 

aint that the truth....someone comes to mind...

Jason, you're the man for stepping up and taking care of this. Some people would say something along the lines of "you bought it, deal with it". 2sav has had nothing but bad luck with trying to put together his project(s)....if i was him, i would have thrown in the towel a long time ago...probably after the first 460 joke that was sold to him. (see above)

now the true question comes up.....whats next 2sav?!  lol
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« Reply #69 on: February 04, 2008, 11:25:17 AM »
Yes i have to agree with Brad you are the man for wanting to take care of this, This brings back memories of someone else saying they will buy it back and didnt ??? Hhhmmmmm ;D

Ok now seriouse business here , i am going back to the machine shop today and talking to Dion. He is the man who knows what to do. I have done some research and  i think i might be able to do studs like Josh said, But we will see .  I also found out i can bore this block to a 427 ;D  1965-1966 they were going to produce a 409 but didnt, sooo...... i have a block with thick cylinders  (for now) :o I dont want to have to  start all over again.  Jason you hooked me up with some good shit, dont think im mad or nothing cause im not.  I get frustrated too quick i think.  I started my vacation today soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.......... ..................................its all about getting the boat done...
 I  will let you know whats up when i get back from the shop.....  By the way is there a way to tell what cam i have?   This is the # i found on it 975481

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« Reply #70 on: February 04, 2008, 11:39:45 AM »
No problem at all Steve, I just don't want you to feel like I was trying to screw you over, not the case at all.  I can understand frustration with these things as it becomes very easy to want to just say "f it" ;) ;) ;)

Let me know how the machine shop trip turns out............  Jason

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« Reply #71 on: February 04, 2008, 01:44:35 PM »
Ok here's the scoop. Dion finally looked it over and said there is nothing wrong with it , and told me the guy i talked to dont even work there and just wanted my block :o

So now im in a different situation........ Dion said the block is like a gold mine its worth bank. He said i could sell it and the block alone will pay for my new engine , he has only seen two 396 blocks 4 bolt mains and they are getting to be very rare , mines the second one ;D

So as it stands now , i can sell it or i can build it or i can sell it and build the 454 i have sitting on the stand. I found one thats 2 years newer than mine, the guy wants $3,500 just for the block. i am trying to get the link but it aint working. What would you guy's do?? sell it or build it!!!!!!


Hey Jason were good to go , sorry for the headache this might have caused . Entirely my fault but i thought i was talking to a guy from the shop who told me the block was bad. I left it there so i never checked myself.

Thanks again for being a stand up guy ;)

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« Reply #72 on: February 04, 2008, 01:50:20 PM »

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« Reply #73 on: February 04, 2008, 01:52:56 PM »
awww man....now the tables are turned! you ripped off jason! hahhaa....j/k

if you have a buyer right here and now....sell it. if not, move forward with it. dont waste your time tryin to sell it on ebay n crap.
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« Reply #74 on: February 04, 2008, 01:55:21 PM »
awww man....now the tables are turned! you ripped off jason! hahhaa....j/k

if you have a buyer right here and now....sell it. if not, move forward with it. dont waste your time tryin to sell it on ebay n crap.



Yeah if someone wants it fine, but its in the shop getting worked as we speak or type ;D

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