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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2010, 06:05:14 PM »
Got the fine Amount today its 135.00 For not having the throwable in the boat .  And he did ask me to blow in his face  and he realy didnt look like a rookie.   And brad alot of great information in this tread,Good job :thumbup: 


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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2010, 07:00:31 PM »
Alan,

have you ever asked someone to blow in your face to detect alcohol on their breath?

Howard19 says they asked him to do this at a safety check near the needles bridge  :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

personally, i think it was a volunteer/rookie and the guys on the force were messing with him and he was gullible enough to actually asked him to do it.  ;D

I've never asked anyone to do it. If you ask me, it's a lazy (and inefficient) way to check to see if someone's drunk. The best way to investigate an OUI is to do it BY THE BOOK, and how we are trained. It's the most fair for the boater who may be drinking and NOT impaired and the best way to have your arrest, evidence and observations hold up in court.

It's 115 degrees out, for Christ's sake. Anyone who'd been drinking would have smelled like booze from the sweat alone. I stopped a guy once (only one in the boat) and smelled the booze from 10 feet away.

And with H1N1 and all other sort of nasty chit around, the fewer people breathing on me, the better. (I'm not OCD or germophobe or anything, but that's just NASTY!)

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« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2010, 09:13:29 PM »
This is what I noticed.
Looking at my citation it was a fish and game cop,
 But it was a mohave county sheriff that handed me the free throwable.
With all do respect to all law inforcement cops the whole thing felt abit like the old speed traps of old just to get in your wallets.
slite issue of intrapment concidering blocking the whole river and only picking on a few as it was my buddy was 25 feet in front of me why was he not asked to pull to shore and beach his boat is this a form of profileing ?? :banghead: ???

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« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2010, 12:43:15 AM »
i was talking to this younger guy on a job site the other day that told me that if you floated back down river because you knew that you or anyone else that was in your boat was probally over the limit(after hangin at the sandbar or something) is ok and legal as long as the boat was in not starting order. ( no keys in the ignition/batterys turned off) i told him i never heard of that before. then he said that he had done it before...WTF :screwy:
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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2010, 06:36:40 AM »
A lot of states will allow you to get your license online.  I dont know if they (CA. and AZ) would allow these if/after the law goes into effect however.

http://www.boatus.org/onlinecourse/default.asp

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« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2010, 06:48:54 AM »
i was talking to this younger guy on a job site the other day that told me that if you floated back down river because you knew that you or anyone else that was in your boat was probally over the limit(after hangin at the sandbar or something) is ok and legal as long as the boat was in not starting order. ( no keys in the ignition/batterys turned off) i told him i never heard of that before. then he said that he had done it before...WTF :screwy:

Alan, Can you speak on this? I am interested as I have heard something similar.

Anyhow....Here are the boater exams for various states:

http://www.boaterexam.com/usa/
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« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2010, 07:15:48 AM »
i was talking to this younger guy on a job site the other day that told me that if you floated back down river because you knew that you or anyone else that was in your boat was probally over the limit(after hangin at the sandbar or something) is ok and legal as long as the boat was in not starting order. ( no keys in the ignition/batterys turned off) i told him i never heard of that before. then he said that he had done it before...WTF :screwy:

This is false. The law states that it is illegal for a person to operate or be in actual physical contrrol of a vessel UNDERWAY, if they are impaired to the slightest degree.

As stated above, UNDERWAY means not moored, anchored or aground. So even if drifting with the engine off and the keys out of the ignition, the OUI and other operation laws still apply. If no one is in the driver's seat, the law recognizes that the master (or owner) is responsible for the vessel, if on board. (remember Joe Hazelwood and the Exxon Valdez) In the absence of a registered owner, someone on the vessel MUST be in charge. If no one claims to be in charge, the vessel is presumed to be being operated by unauthorized person(s), possibly stolen and/or abandoned by its owner. In that case the boat will be towed, impounded and stored and the persons on board will be detained until we can determine the boat's status.

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« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2010, 07:59:08 AM »
This is false. The law states that it is illegal for a person to operate or be in actual physical contrrol of a vessel UNDERWAY, if they are impaired to the slightest degree.

As stated above, UNDERWAY means not moored, anchored or aground. So even if drifting with the engine off and the keys out of the ignition, the OUI and other operation laws still apply. If no one is in the driver's seat, the law recognizes that the master (or owner) is responsible for the vessel, if on board. (remember Joe Hazelwood and the Exxon Valdez) In the absence of a registered owner, someone on the vessel MUST be in charge. If no one claims to be in charge, the vessel is presumed to be being operated by unauthorized person(s), possibly stolen and/or abandoned by its owner. In that case the boat will be towed, impounded and stored and the persons on board will be detained until we can determine the boat's status.

Thats good info Alan, thanks for clarifying.  :thumbup:
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« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2010, 09:57:41 AM »
This is false. The law states that it is illegal for a person to operate or be in actual physical contrrol of a vessel UNDERWAY, if they are impaired to the slightest degree.

As stated above, UNDERWAY means not moored, anchored or aground. So even if drifting with the engine off and the keys out of the ignition, the OUI and other operation laws still apply. If no one is in the driver's seat, the law recognizes that the master (or owner) is responsible for the vessel, if on board. (remember Joe Hazelwood and the Exxon Valdez) In the absence of a registered owner, someone on the vessel MUST be in charge. If no one claims to be in charge, the vessel is presumed to be being operated by unauthorized person(s), possibly stolen and/or abandoned by its owner. In that case the boat will be towed, impounded and stored and the persons on board will be detained until we can determine the boat's status.
One could argue that a person would not be operating or in actual phisical control of the vessel while UNDERWAY>...
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« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2010, 10:01:05 AM »
One could argue that a person would not be operating or in actual phisical control of the vessel while UNDERWAY>...

I think you missed the point, doesnt matter if youre 'in control' or 'operating it' or not ...when its underway (not moored, anchored or aground), someone is held responsible.
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« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2010, 10:32:54 AM »
I think you missed the point, doesnt matter if youre 'in control' or 'operating it' or not ...when its underway (not moored, anchored or aground), someone is held responsible.
i get the point i just think this would be a fine line and have heard for diff. people that this has happened to them and not got in trouble.mabey the cops were being nice because they figured that the folks were being safe rather than sorry. Also heard of one time where they tied tubes to the boat and floated along side of it and said that the boat motor blew up and the man let them go.personally i dont want to be anywhere around a bunch of drunk stupid boaters i like my life thats why i no longer go to havasu .....too many idiots:(
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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2010, 12:15:20 PM »
I cant figure out a way to get a spark arrester in my scoop. Its been on the boat since it was a year old and i dont want to change it.

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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2010, 06:15:09 PM »
I cant figure out a way to get a spark arrester in my scoop. Its been on the boat since it was a year old and i dont want to change it.

Put it on backwards. As long as the flame travel is directed AWAY from the craft, you should be OK, EVEN here in Arizona.  ;)

As a permanent fix, maybe modify the mouth of the scoop to be able to bolt in a cut apart and flattened flame arrestor across the front of it. Kinda like this of mine one is.



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« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2010, 10:34:48 PM »
Thanks for ALL the info.  Was it as good for yall as it was for me....LOL!  Are they really that stricked on exhaust noise?
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« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2011, 03:07:18 PM »
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When  you turn your boat on... does it return the favor?

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« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2011, 09:17:55 AM »
Great thread... 8)  Do yourself a big favor and get a free inspection, take a free boating class, and leave the alcohol on shore... :thumbup:

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« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2011, 08:11:57 AM »


Muffling devices – Each boat must be equipped with an effective means to muffle the exhaust noise. The device(s) must be in constant operation and reduce noise to certain levels

Can we be more elaborate? My boat is quieter with headers on then off. Does this count?
Seriously, what is the legal requirement? Is it db related?  Is it any muffling device? Is it a manufactured product designed to reduce noise?
I have always wondered. The hand out at Mead says 70db at 50' I believe. Nothing about mufflers.
Do turbos count as mufflers?

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« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2011, 08:19:21 AM »
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« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2011, 07:27:50 AM »
Found this FYI

BULLHEAD CITY — Memorial Day is the traditional start of summer — even though the calendar says otherwise — and thousands of people are expected to flock to area lakes and the Colorado River this weekend for some holiday fun.

But that means potential danger, as evidenced by four drownings in the Tri-state during Memorial Day weekend in 2009.

“I hope everyone enjoys all of Bullhead City’s recreational opportunities, including the Colorado River, this summer,” Bullhead City Police Chief Rodney Head said. “Please be prepared for the upcoming busy boating season.”

The police department is prepared; the department’s Waterways Unit will begin patrolling the river this weekend.

“The Colorado River is a very busy and narrow waterway, so it’s important to know the rules and be a good operator,” said Cpl. Joel Baughman. “The most dangerous act I see on the water is PWCs (persona watercraft) playing and splashing each other. What they don’t realize is how easy it is to collide.”

Two such collisions contributed to some of the deaths in 2009. Also contributing was the failure of some people to wear the required life jackets. Under Arizona law, boats are required to carry a personal flotation device for each person on board; all passengers 13 and under must were a life jacket. And anyone on a PWC, whether as a passenger or as the operator, is required to wear a secured personal flotation device.

Another cause of accidents, according to the police department, is failure to abide by the rules of the river, namely that traffic should always travel on the right side, just like the rules of the road. Operators also should be familiar with the “proximity law: that states watercraft must remain 60 feet apart when maneuvering above a wakeless speed.

Alcohol also plays a factor in many accidents on the river and lake. Operating under the influence is a crime, equivalent to driving under the influence, and could result in penalties that include fines of up to $4,600 and a minimum of 90 days in jail.

Bullhead City boating officers will be patrolling the river through Labor Day weekend. Mohave County and the Arizona Department of Public Safety also will have a presence on the water this summer.

For more information about boat safety, contact the police department’s Community Oriented Police Problem Solving Unit at 928-763-1110.






 

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« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2011, 09:40:51 AM »
More than 150,000 expected to enjoy Lake Mead this weekend
 Jessica Ebelhar/Las Vegas Review-Journal

 
Brian Ogden hurriedly lowered his 21-foot bass boat into Lake Mead on Thursday morning -- anxious to catch some fish before the wind picked up.

His white vessel bobbed atop the waves of the desolate lake, a scene he was grateful to find before the crowds set in this weekend.

"I'm not into all the boat traffic," said Ogden, who will avoid the lake at all costs this Memorial Day. "I avoid all that nonsense."

Ogden said he tried out the holiday weekend party scene at Lake Mead National Recreation Area when he had a bigger boat three years ago, but he wouldn't go on Memorial Day weekend again.

"I don't participate in all that drunken partying," he said. "I'm not a big crowd person."

And a crowd is definitely what's expected this holiday.

The National Park Service estimates between 150,000 and 180,000 visitors at Lake Mead throughout the three-day weekend, which is on par with how many visitors the lake had last year.

"We are gearing up for our biggest weekend of the summer," said park service spokesman Andrew Munoz.

Memorial Day weekend also typically brings thousands of visitors to other recreation areas in town, including Mount Charleston and Red Rock Canyon National Conservation Area. It is recommended that visitors arrive early, and with patience, to any of the three outdoor locations.

While chances of securing a camping spot at Mount Charleston are little to none, Red Rock is expected to have sites available before it closes for the season Tuesday.

Despite the wind, the weekend should offer nice weather with temperatures in the low to mid 80s both at the lake and around town, according to Maria Torres, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service. Gusts of up to 35 mph are expected Saturday and Sunday, and up to 40 mph on Monday.

LAKE MEAD

The park service suggests lake-goers make this weekend a time to ensure their boats are ready for the summer season. Lifejackets for every person on board a vessel, a working horn, fire extinguisher and flares are all required equipment on each boat. Children younger than 12 must be wearing a life jacket at all times while on a boat. Although jackets are not required for swimmers, Munoz said they are strongly suggested.

The majority of the lake's drowning victims are swimmers, he said.

Even adults are susceptible to drowning in a matter of seconds when factors such as alcohol and heat accelerate dehydration, making a person tire quickly. Nine people drowned in the lake last year, Munoz said.

Munoz suggests designating at least one adult to keep constant watch on swimmers in the water to avoid any drownings.

The lake's level is expected to rise this season, leaving vegetation close under the surface, which can be hazardous to boaters, he said.



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« Reply #45 on: June 29, 2011, 02:14:59 PM »
Just to add to this is if you were born after jan 1st 1983 you are required a boaters safety course....i know 100% true in nevada, but I believe arizona is likewise

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will they recognize my Canadian boating license or do i have to get a California one? and this throwable life jacket thing Ive never heard of that I saw that the sherrif  gives them away or do you buy them ???
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« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2011, 04:07:19 PM »
Just to add to this is if you were born after jan 1st 1983 you are required a boaters safety course....i know 100% true in nevada, but I believe arizona is likewise

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Gord, you won't need a license to drive your boat. The throwable life preserver is a Type IV, like $20 or less they're a 12" square of foam you can throw to someone in trouble.
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« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2011, 10:19:28 PM »
You can get those at Spanky's in Parker if ya need Gord. Actually, I'll check, I might have a couple spares.

Regs require a lifevest for every passeneger, the throwable, a noise maker (Whistle or air horn), a class B fire extinguisher, your registration card, and what am I forgetting guys? Been in the sun all day so brain cells are cooked more than normal......... :sly:

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« Reply #48 on: June 30, 2011, 08:38:13 AM »
thanks Boat registration is something we dont have to carry in Canada I would not have had it
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« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2011, 09:01:26 AM »
thanks Boat registration is something we dont have to carry in Canada I would not have had it

I don't either, but am REQUIRED to. Mine are in the Safe Deposit box with my titles, life insurance, etc. Had "discussion" with a few lake cops about it, they understood. Here's why.

Arizona does NOT title watercraft. To sell one, all you do is sign off on the back of the Reg Slip, new owner goes to the Fish and Game, no questions, don't even have to have the boat there, gets a new reg slip in their name, or the one they give. Hell I transferred 5 boats one time and they never even asked me for an ID.

sooooooo..........I'm required to keep IN MY BOAT AT ALL TIMES, the ONE piece of paper that proves I own it.........so if it's stolen, and that piece of paper is IN THE BOAT as they require.........well, you see my point!

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Anyway, THAT'S the law. At BR, you're in AZ, technically, even though a Cali address, and a good portion of the river we run is in Cali.
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