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Discussion => The No Wake Zone => WarZone => Topic started by: aquaholic72 on September 23, 2014, 04:20:09 AM

Title: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: aquaholic72 on September 23, 2014, 04:20:09 AM
alright ill be the dick that does this!! how do the fords rank with the chevys??? i know that i feel the fords are turds,, but there are some fords that run but at alot more cost then runnin a bbc,, i have a small bbc in my flatty!  and it will fuck up my buddys 460 boats, yet i think my boats a turd, so i just bought a set of heads for it, i come from a drag street race background, this is my first boat,alot of learning on my part with the boat stuff, butt big block fords are allways turds on the street,, am i missing something on the water????remember,,i think  my boats a turd as well...lets hear it  >:D
Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: More2LifeThanMPG on September 23, 2014, 06:40:22 AM
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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: 2k2slpss on September 23, 2014, 07:28:40 AM

alright ill be the dick that does this!! how do the fords rank with the chevys??? i know that i feel the fords are turds,, but there are some fords that run but at alot more cost then runnin a bbc,, i have a small bbc in my flatty!  and it will **** up my buddys 460 boats, yet i think my boats a turd, so i just bought a set of heads for it, i come from a drag street race background, this is my first boat,alot of learning on my part with the boat stuff, butt big block fords are allways turds on the street,, am i missing something on the water????remember,,i think  my boats a turd as well...lets hear it  >:D

Aquaholic72,

I'm literally in the same boat with you, I'm big in the street racing scene. I love Chevrolet, because they are cheap to fix and cost less to make them faster. To me fords aren't all there. Moving forward this is my first boat too, it has a 454 BBC in it. Over the winter I will be doing some mods to the powerplant.



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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: beerjet on September 23, 2014, 08:13:51 AM
As big of a Chevy guy as I am, I'm gonna say it comes down to the builder.

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: Maker on September 23, 2014, 08:21:38 AM
Not only the builder but also how much do you want to spend   bang for the buck and the chevy wins hands down

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: rush1 on September 23, 2014, 08:33:59 AM
Not only the builder but also how much do you want to spend   bang for the buck and the chevy wins hands down

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I agree I drag raced mopars for thirty years but boats aren't drag cars I think bang for the buck it's hard to beat a BBC

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: Your Mom on September 23, 2014, 12:31:44 PM
Reliable...Bbf. If your looking for cheap Bbc. Builder X2 but its also parts involved stock/aftermarket. Each have goods an bads an there isnt a magical best motor either way.
Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: Ralph Brunt on September 23, 2014, 01:54:52 PM
Cheap, fast, reliable. .pick 2 you can't have all 3...don't care what brand you build

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: Maker on September 23, 2014, 02:03:14 PM
X2 on that

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: randog on September 23, 2014, 02:29:49 PM
My stock Harding 460 is 10000 times better than the olds I had.


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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: ka0tyk on September 23, 2014, 02:57:06 PM
throw enough money at something and even a honda can be fast...

id love to see boats using the coyote 5.0 motors.  damn things are 400hp and 600hp+ with easy mods.  ford even makes a swap kit with a ECU, etc for $1500 to get one running out of the box. 
Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: jimpen on September 23, 2014, 04:47:12 PM
I like the one running at the end of the weekend.  It all depends who built it and what budget was used to build it.

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: mash on it on September 23, 2014, 06:15:00 PM
throw enough money at something and even a honda can be fast...

id love to see boats using the coyote 5.0 motors.  damn things are 400hp and 600hp+ with easy mods.  ford even makes a swap kit with a ECU, etc for $1500 to get one running out of the box.

That 300 cube coyote motor is heavier than a 454 or 460, and ONLY 400 hp??? 600 hp at what, 7500+ rpm???...useless in a jet...Might as well have that Honda...
My 383 SBC is 365 lbs and 475+ hp, with a Holley.

For VALUE, a 460 would be better, Just sayin'

Dan'l
Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: 75 fantasy on September 23, 2014, 08:49:17 PM
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What am I missing? What does the chick have to do with ford vs chevy?  :-[
Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: More2LifeThanMPG on September 23, 2014, 08:51:47 PM

What am I missing? What does the chick have to do with ford vs chevy?  :-[

Stirring the pot...


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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: 75 fantasy on September 23, 2014, 09:20:29 PM
Stirring the pot...


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Omg... there was a pot!
Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: Flusher on September 24, 2014, 01:28:53 AM
Omg... there was a pot!

LOL  you passed the gay test

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: WhyNot76 on September 24, 2014, 02:28:31 AM

I like the one running at the end of the weekend.  It all depends who built it and what budget was used to build it.

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  as you know... I'll be runnin.. And still have enough fuelin my tanks to help out whoever runs out... HAA


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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: jimpen on September 24, 2014, 05:38:16 AM
That's very true I guess BBC

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: HaulsBalls on September 24, 2014, 08:47:24 AM

throw enough money at something and even a honda can be fast...

id love to see boats using the coyote 5.0 motors.  damn things are 400hp and 600hp+ with easy mods.  ford even makes a swap kit with a ECU, etc for $1500 to get one running out of the box.

Funny you bring this up, GS Marine has a Daytona/TP with one of these being rigged right now.  Should be interesting to see what numbers it puts up, I believe it's going to be full race rig.

I'm a Chevy guy but getting into boats I found that the 460 Ford has the most potential to build power with stock components.  They are also probably the most expensive engine to build since the market is not flooded with parts like with GM.  I dig the uniqueness that comes with having the Ford but with my budget getting tighter the Chevy is looking better every day. There is a lot of good info on Paul Kane's site www.highflowdynamics.com that will enlighten the Chevy guys a bit.


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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: beerjet on September 24, 2014, 10:15:39 AM
Funny you bring this up, GS Marine has a Daytona/TP with one of these being rigged right now.  Should be interesting to see what numbers it puts up, I believe it's going to be full race rig.

I'm a Chevy guy but getting into boats I found that the 460 Ford has the most potential to build power with stock components.  They are also probably the most expensive engine to build since the market is not flooded with parts like with GM.  I dig the uniqueness that comes with having the Ford but with my budget getting tighter the Chevy is looking better every day. There is a lot of good info on Paul Kane's site www.highflowdynamics.com that will enlighten the Chevy guys a bit.


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Just what we need, a bias opinion.

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: HaulsBalls on September 24, 2014, 01:46:01 PM

Just what we need, a bias opinion.

-beerjet-

I know, it was going so well until I showed up!

Omar I'd like to set up a date with you and that big red ride of yours one day soon.  I need to do some research as I'm building mine, let me know if I can climb around and check her out.


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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: beerjet on September 24, 2014, 02:04:59 PM
Just what we need, a bias opinion.

-beerjet-

I know, it was going so well until I showed up!

Omar I'd like to set up a date with you and that big red ride of yours one day soon.  I need to do some research as I'm building mine, let me know if I can climb around and check her out.


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There is always a seat open!

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: matches909 on September 25, 2014, 11:45:08 AM
Aquaholic72
Here is the thing that I have found out so far we both know that we are new to this scene.  I'm finding out that chevy is less expensive to build and there are more parts out there.  In the ford community ford's put out a lot of hp with little needing to be done to them and the parts that are out there are more expensive due to the demand in boats but that is just what I see from forums and what we both have tried to find but all I know is when my new Ford blows up I'm going with a BBC

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: Squirrel Master on September 25, 2014, 11:20:16 PM
If I did not buy my heads my motor build my Ford would have been around 3100 with ported and polished heads witch you can get them from Paul kane over at high flow he done for about what I paid for mine about 13 to 1500 my motors making 470 horse with 22cc dish pistons and a custom cam, manly push rods guide plates roller rockers runs like an ape I could be happier with this ford. Flat tops of would put me me well into the mid to high 500s.

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: rawrtuna on September 26, 2014, 06:01:08 PM

Not only the builder but also how much do you want to spend   bang for the buck and the chevy wins hands down

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X3 I'll take the trade-off for the cheaper 454 kitting.


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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: Flusher on September 26, 2014, 07:45:34 PM
What power levels are you thinking?

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: ka0tyk on September 30, 2014, 10:29:44 AM
That 300 cube coyote motor is heavier than a 454 or 460, and ONLY 400 hp??? 600 hp at what, 7500+ rpm???...useless in a jet...Might as well have that Honda...
My 383 SBC is 365 lbs and 475+ hp, with a Holley.

For VALUE, a 460 would be better, Just sayin'

Dan'l

no.

(http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=368255&d=1411944093)

(http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=368262&d=1411944103)

guy is putting a 1000hp twin turbo coyote motor into a carbon fiber layed up daytona jet boat.  you can keep your 460 anchor.   this thing is gonna haul the mail.  im lookin forward to him finishing the build.  its about time someone used that motor as its a beast in just about anything ive seen it put into.

(http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=345785&d=1403548861)

http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/showthread.php?116766-Twin-Turbo-5-0-Modular-Ford-Carbon-Daytona-Jet-Build (http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/showthread.php?116766-Twin-Turbo-5-0-Modular-Ford-Carbon-Daytona-Jet-Build)

Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: mash on it on September 30, 2014, 08:59:21 PM
throw enough money at something and even a honda can be fast...

id love to see boats using the coyote 5.0 motors.  damn things are 400hp and 600hp+ with easy mods.  ford even makes a swap kit with a ECU, etc for $1500 to get one running out of the box.

412 hp @ 6500...f'ing worthless in a jet (c/d or d/e impeller? wtf???)

1000 hp with twin turbos... easy mods...not easy on the wallet

from a chebby guy, 460 over coyote, MORE VALUE

Dan'l
Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: Maker on October 01, 2014, 01:07:55 PM
If the Ford is so much better than the Chevy  why is it you never see them in any of the big Eliminators  DCBs Advantages  just to name a few

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: HaulsBalls on October 01, 2014, 02:19:48 PM
If the Ford is so much better than the Chevy  why is it you never see them in any of the big Eliminators  DCBs Advantages  just to name a few

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Lack of industry backing?  Flooded market of GM parts and aftermarket resources?  Government Conspiracy?  Maybe Ford wasn't the lowest bidder Mercruiser was developing a line of engines?  May never know
Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: Your Mom on October 01, 2014, 03:24:18 PM
If the Ford is so much better than the Chevy  why is it you never see them in any of the big Eliminators  DCBs Advantages  just to name a few

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: Maker on October 01, 2014, 03:31:32 PM
Ok so why is it that Teague marine and Boostpower marine  build Chevy engines  for these 100k plus boats     it's not because they are cheap

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: Squirrel Master on October 01, 2014, 03:32:55 PM
Bullshit it's all about cutting costs if they can sell a boat for a hundred grand and build it for 20 you don't f****** think they're going to

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: Maker on October 01, 2014, 03:37:59 PM
From what I've seen in all forms of motor sports  if you want to go fast build a big Chevy   if you really want to go fast build a Hemi     

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Title: Re: 454 vs 460 actually 402
Post by: mash on it on October 02, 2014, 09:01:58 AM
From what I've seen in all forms of motor sports  if you want to go fast build a big Chevy   if you really want to go fast build a (FORD BOSS 500) Hemi     

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