Comp Jet Racing 2016.

« **Reply #25 on:** November 28, 2016, 07:41:18 pm »

It's been a year now since the talks about fixing the problem that persists with the 702 boat. I agree we don't want to alienate a fellow racer, but to maybe encourage him to build a better boat for the class.

This class is about fun - there is no other reason to do it than for the fun of it. There is no money to be made. There's no corporate sponsors watching. That being said, there is no fun in a race when you're fighting rollers that the 702 boat puts out. Its flat out unsafe. I wasn't there this past weekend, but I've seen enough video to prove my point.

So whats going to be done? Lets do something before it kills the class or creates a bigger safety concern where big brother wants to enforce unwanted rules on us. Let's fix it before it gets to that point. I agree with the V-Bottom angle enforcement rule as previously suggested.

CJ888 is ready to come back and play. It was awesome to see that the CJ class was the biggest class this past weekend. I want to be a part of it again, but not if I have to do fiberglass repairs each time I run along side of the 702 boat.

« **Reply #26 on:** November 28, 2016, 11:04:01 pm »

Quote from: 76 Bonneville on February 06, 2016, 01:47:09 pm

Billy with the 702 boat may view it as negative.
Despite how anyone feels about his boat.

The fear of offending someone is the political correctness that has created a huge problem in our country. It leads to the minority dictating and hog tieing what the majority can do. I personally don't give a $hit if Mason reads my post, his boat (and his driving) is dangerous. The class was split into heats on Saturday because no one wanted him in a 7 boat field.

It falls within the present rules and he has work hard over the last few years to put a very competitive boat together.

Yes, the class has rules and a very important rule is 515 cid maximum. I do not believe his engine meets this rule so let him prove that he is legal before he can race again (are you listening Ross?). He has been heard to say that his bore and stroke does not support that rule.

We need to work together to resolve issues and concerns.
Not alienate and loose another competitor.

We could lose another competitor but not the way we would want. Driver safety is more important than boat count

Communication is the key and I believe it can be done in a positive way with positive results.

We tried communication with Ross and we were dismissed as not relevent. Any other suggestions?

No disrespect to Ron, he and Vance were a welcome addition to the class this week end. There are other drivers that would race the class if the 702 were not there (Brad and others).
Shirl Dickey
CJ60

« **Reply #27 on:** November 29, 2016, 12:19:07 am »

If it won't blow legal cid, what's the argument?

Displacement hulls with mod v bottoms is sketchy.

Jets jack the water up enough on their own.

Good luck on finding common ground.

GT

« **Reply #28 on:** November 29, 2016, 11:19:25 am »

Shirl,

You were voted to be the voice of the class. Create a proposal for a new rule, take a vote, and bring it to Ted and make it law. Also, you have my vote to require him to get pumped in order to race again. Not after the race, but before. Ron got bumped out of a qualifier because someone admitted to running a 525 after the race. Yes he lost his trophy and points for the weekend, but Ron got robbed of running the main event.

I don't know what rules if any have been been broken with his driving habits, but you are the 3rd person I've heard say that he's unsafe. If this is true, then we need to stand by our rules and not let him get away with it. From what I see is he drives where he wants regardless of lane assignment and forces everyone to try to drive around him. How that tank is outrunning the class is proof his motor isnt legal in the class.

Bottom line is that boat AND motor are going to be the end of this class.

If you don't want to put your foot down for whatever reason, I have no problem taking it up the chain and shutting his program down.

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« **Reply #29 on:** November 29, 2016, 12:29:13 pm »

Quote from: Brad @ SCJB on November 29, 2016, 11:19:25 am

Shirl,

You were voted to be the voice of the class. Create a proposal for a new rule, take a vote, and bring it to Ted and make it law. Also, you have my vote to require him to get pumped in order to race again. Not after the race, but before. Ron got bumped out of a qualifier because someone admitted to running a 525 after the race. Yes he lost his trophy and points for the weekend, but Ron got robbed of running the main event.

I don't know what rules if any have been been broken with his driving habits, but you are the 3rd person I've heard say that he's unsafe. If this is true, then we need to stand by our rules and not let him get away with it. From what I see is he drives where he wants regardless of lane assignment and forces everyone to try to drive around him. How that tank is outrunning the class is proof his motor isnt legal in the class.

Bottom line is that boat AND motor are going to be the end of this class.

If you don't want to put your foot down for whatever reason, I have no problem taking it up the chain and shutting his program down.

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« **Reply #30 on:** November 29, 2016, 04:17:46 pm »

Brad,
I'm not aware of Ron losing points for a bump. Ron won his heat race on Saturday and placed 4th in the final. This plus his points from Friday gave him 2nd overall. Mason scored points only on Saturday and was out of the running for an overall podium finish. If you have info that differs from that please share it with me.
I'm not sure if Ted is still IE commissioner in the new SCSC organization but I have pleaded with him, Ross and Terry to take action on this matter (in particular the P&G test). It has gotten to the point where I think I have been labeled a malcontent and not listened to. If you can lend your weight to the problem I would strongly recommend that you and others do so. At this point I do not see any inclination from Ross or Terry to do anything. The only option I see is to boycott any race he enters until he proves he is legal. I do not see much support from the drivers for that. The other option is to put up $500 for a personal protest (per APBA rules not sure what SCSC would require) , which I can't afford to do. I'm open to other suggestions... One of the drivers wanted to lock him in the porta potty, and another volunteered to tip it over...
As to rule changes, I could petition all the drivers for the max 'V' angle on the hull, or for an outright ban on the Nordic hull... A successful petition might have some influence on the PTB. Let me know what you think.
Shirl Dickey
CJ60

« **Reply #31 on:** November 29, 2016, 04:24:23 pm »

I apologize for the confusion - the mention of Ron getting bumped was from a previous race several years ago. I was using it as an example of why it should be protested before, not after the race.

I will give Terry a call and see if I can rattle his cage for some answers or direction. I am not up to date of the politics with SCSC apparently no longer being governed by the APBA. It seems a lot of the rules are in limbo.

« **Reply #32 on:** November 29, 2016, 05:38:56 pm »

Seems to me... kind of an outsider in the circle race world, but still racer in different organizations... if you have a cubic inch limit as part of the rules... and there is suspect by any one in the organization be it racer or official... they should be tested... period. No ifs... no ands... or buts. Doesn't matter who it is or whatever... and if they are not legal... then buh-bye. Otherwise there is NO reason to have such a rule... as if one can go unchecked... all should be able to... and thus negating the point of having the rule in the first place.

As for safety concerns... either you self police and keep wrecks and injuries down to a reasonable, acceptable level for the sport... or someone else is going to police it for you... and that always ends up going in the direction of hurting the class... cost... and boat counts.

Don't see too many open cockpit blown fuel flats out there anymore... huh?

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« **Reply #33 on:** November 29, 2016, 06:37:29 pm »

Quote from: Six-Oh-Nine on November 29, 2016, 05:38:56 pm

Seems to me... kind of an outsider in the circle race world, but still racer in different organizations... if you have a cubic inch limit as part of the rules... and there is suspect by any one in the organization be it racer or official... they should be tested... period. No ifs... no ands... or buts. Doesn't matter who it is or whatever... and if they are not legal... then buh-bye. Otherwise there is NO reason to have such a rule... as if one can go unchecked... all should be able to... and thus negating the point of having the rule in the first place.

As for safety concerns... either you self police and keep wrecks and injuries down to a reasonable, acceptable level for the sport... or someone else is going to police it for you... and that always ends up going in the direction of hurting the class... cost... and boat counts.

Don't see too many open cockpit blown fuel flats out there anymore... huh?

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Couldn't agree more.

GT

« **Reply #34 on:** December 09, 2016, 07:36:22 am »

Quote from: Brad @ SCJB on November 29, 2016, 04:24:23 pm

I will give Terry a call and see if I can rattle his cage for some answers or direction. I am not up to date of the politics with SCSC apparently no longer being governed by the APBA. It seems a lot of the rules are in limbo.

The SCSC Comp Jet rules were written by Terry and are the same as APBA with some wording changes to avoid plagerism. I am good with that for the time being. We have a money paying race at Lake Pleasent, AZ in February. I think it should be manditory that all Comp Jets submit to this test or at least the top 3 winners. I do not know who has a P&G device, do you? I would sure like to have one available there. The first order of business is to verify compliance with existing rules.
Shirl Dickey
CJ60

Brad, I sent you an email, did you get it...

« **Reply #35 on:** December 09, 2016, 07:50:49 am »

Quote from: MrEracer on December 09, 2016, 07:36:22 am

The SCSC Comp Jet rules were written by Terry and are the same as APBA with some wording changes to avoid plagerism. I am good with that for the time being. We have a money paying race at Lake Pleasent, AZ in February. I think it should be manditory that all Comp Jets submit to this test or at least the top 3 winners. I do not know who has a P&G device, do you? I would sure like to have one available there. The first order of business is to verify compliance with existing rules.
Shirl Dickey
CJ60

Brad, I sent you an email, did you get it...

I have access to one, but I'm pretty certain it's a 500" one. I'll make some calls to see if they have a 670".

Those things aren't cheap.

I have a buddy that works for a dirt track, I'll hit him up too. Unfortunately, I think most of their stuff is either 305", 360" or 410".

Let you know by Monday.

« **Reply #36 on:** December 09, 2016, 09:05:15 am »

Quote from: GT Jets on December 09, 2016, 07:50:49 am

I have access to one, but I'm pretty certain it's a 500" one. I'll make some calls to see if they have a 670".

Those things aren't cheap.

I have a buddy that works for a dirt track, I'll hit him up too. Unfortunately, I think most of their stuff is either 305", 360" or 410".

Let you know by Monday.

I did not see any email from you. Where did you send it?

Shirl, can you give me some more info about the Feb race?

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« **Reply #37 on:** December 09, 2016, 09:27:36 am »

Quote from: Brad @ SCJB on December 09, 2016, 09:05:15 am

I did not see any email from you. Where did you send it?

Shirl, can you give me some more info about the Feb race?

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I didn't send one, Shirl did.

« **Reply #38 on:** December 09, 2016, 09:28:59 am »

Ah ok....I did get an email from shirl.... I relayed the message to Jeremy about the fuel and he said he would call you.

« **Reply #39 on:** December 09, 2016, 09:44:13 am »

Info on the Feb race is here: <http://www.rpmracingent.com/Schedule_of_Events.html> Supposed to be $5000 per class. We shall see.

I have not heard from Jeremy. If he doesn't call me soon I will order it from rebel in Vegas.
Shirl

« **Reply #40 on:** January 02, 2017, 07:29:39 am »

What about a v hull class ?

« **Reply #41 on:** January 02, 2017, 09:30:20 am »

Quote from: mattson on January 02, 2017, 07:29:39 am

What about a v hull class ?

Can't keep one class loaded with competitors. How difficult would it be to feed another class?

Just a observation.

GT

« **Reply #42 on:** March 26, 2017, 09:08:08 am »

CJ 702 has refused to a PNG Test (cubic inch test) and has been banned from the class until he submits to a test. His response was "f**k your compjets and shove them up your ass".

Guilty as sin IMO. Good riddance.

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« **Reply #43 on:** March 26, 2017, 09:28:18 am »

Quote from: Brad @ SCJB on March 26, 2017, 09:08:08 am

CJ 702 has refused to a PNG Test (cubic inch test) and has been banned from the class until he submits to a test. His response was "f**k your compjets and shove them up your ass".

Guilty as sin IMO. Good riddance.

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Good deal ...

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« **Reply #44 on:** March 28, 2017, 08:41:05 am »

Quote from: Brad @ SCJB on March 26, 2017, 09:08:08 am

CJ 702 has refused to a PNG Test (cubic inch test) and has been banned from the class until he submits to a test. His response was "f**k your compjets and shove them up your ass".

Guilty as sin IMO. Good riddance.

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I seen him race on sunday... In GPS 100? or was it the GN race? Surfrat TV had me guessing what race it was... and 702 took 1st place?

BTW how does a jet bote race in the GN class?

Good to see ya runnin again on sunday Brad.

Dan'l

« **Reply #45 on:** March 28, 2017, 08:21:05 pm »

Quote from: mash on it on March 28, 2017, 08:41:05 am

I seen him race on sunday... In GPS 100? or was it the GN race? Surfrat TV had me guessing what race it was... and 702 took 1st place?

BTW how does a jet bote race in the GN class?

Good to see ya runnin again on sunday Brad.

Dan'l

He ran in the gps100 class

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« **Reply #46 on:** March 28, 2017, 09:22:47 pm »

He actually raced in the GPS100 class's first heat on Sunday. Rumor has it he broke out and wasn't welcomed back, so then he went to the GN final which was only 10 laps (normally 20) and got his ass handed to him. Rumor has it they weren't happy he was out there with him either.

Wonder how it feels to get kicked out of 3 classes in one day?

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« **Reply #47 on:** January 10, 2018, 09:35:59 am »

Curious to what the status is on this class for 2018 now that the 702 boat is apparently gone? Has there been any discussions, plans, petitions etc. for rule change implement to prevent another entry of this type from causing disruption to the class safety and participation? Has there been any conversations between the regular class participants to resume racing and fielding a full class for the March race at B.W.? This class was the king of the show for a while and really fun to see the great head to head competition and growth. What's the future look like currently for this class?

« **Reply #48 on:** January 10, 2018, 09:43:08 am »

He's not gone. We were told he wasnt going to be at Thanksgiving, but he still showed up. There would have been a legal class if it was know he was going to show up. But instead he ran GPS 100, sank ANOTHER boat on the course. Class rep of GPS100 kicked him out for good....but when Shirl tried to kick him out of compjet earlier last year, Ross was quick to pull Shirls authority away from him making that call.

Until that hull is ilegal to run in the class, I have no interest in participating or promoting this class.

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« **Reply #49 on:** January 11, 2018, 09:19:08 am »

Thanks for the reply Brad. You say he's not gone, does that mean his motor has been P&G'd and found to be legal? Is he still banned until he submits to a test? With the trouble created in the other classes by this boats displacement etc. do you think Ross is starting to see this as a bigger issue than just the CJ class dissatisfaction? Do you think he is becoming more open to hearing and considering the complaints from all class participants? Has there been continued discussions within the CJ class participants to make rule changes to limit or prevent these type hulls into the class for participant safety etc.? Are the class meetings open to the general public or are they for active members only?

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