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farmergord

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my new project
« on: September 07, 2009, 09:30:38 pm »
I am also new to this site and have already found it to be a wealth of info. I purchased this 1976 pioneer 19 foot in california in early august and have hauled it home to B.C. for a total restoration from the ground up It has a 460 in it and the tag on the pump is a bit hard to read but I think it says JG-A it is my winter project
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Re: my new project
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2009, 09:46:44 pm »
PICS?
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2009, 10:18:22 pm »
Im trying had to get my daughter to show me how to resize them these are taken the day we tried it out to buy on a resovoir near grass valley
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2009, 10:27:59 pm »
Thats a good looking boat, but wheres the project?
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2009, 10:33:04 pm »
sandblast paint new bunks rewire trailer, sand hull new 3 color paint  polish jet polish all motor aluminum new engine paint new chrome goodies on engine new carpet new interior etc etc etc etc
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2009, 10:39:04 pm »
are you media blasting (Baking soda, glass, etc) or sand blasting
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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2009, 10:45:28 pm »
sand blasting trailer but I am going to strip the hull with ctri strip I have already tried it and it seems to work good but will not harm the fiberglass the reason for stripping is that the previous owner painted it himself his first try and there are large runs everywher and sanding is such a tedious job that i thought strip then prime and block by hand but I am open to all suggestions
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2009, 10:50:22 pm »
Nice boat!
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2009, 02:40:57 pm »
looks good..
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2009, 07:23:42 pm »
good looking "project", welcome to the site and be sure to obey the rules-=--post pics of progress ;D
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Re: my new project
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2009, 10:34:01 pm »
today was finally the day ,my daughters boyfriend and I got the  boat off the trailer and the motor pulled. it went real well although I was  nervous with it swinging in the air when we had to cross the yard to the shop. now on to paint stripping then new paint .Thanks Tom for the advise on splitting the motor from the pump sorry to interupt your lunch
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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2009, 05:30:17 pm »
I need some advise from you engine gurus. While I have the motor and pump out of the boat should I do anything to either. The working engine hour meter say 348 hours and the boat starts and runs fine . it think it is a fairly stock 460 and Im going to put new gaskets in to stop the oil leaks and some other dress up items but Im wondering if I should put in things like new bearings or have the heads looked at. Should I rebuild the pump thanks for any suggestions
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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2009, 06:04:41 pm »
Farmers have all the neat tool love that engine hoist ;D :thumbup:
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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2009, 06:20:16 pm »
Might want to have the valve springs checked and take a look at the cylinder walls and bearings.
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2009, 03:12:17 pm »
I need some advise from you engine gurus. While I have the motor and pump out of the boat should I do anything to either. The working engine hour meter say 348 hours and the boat starts and runs fine . it think it is a fairly stock 460 and Im going to put new gaskets in to stop the oil leaks and some other dress up items but Im wondering if I should put in things like new bearings or have the heads looked at. Should I rebuild the pump thanks for any suggestions
I would put a set of aluminum heads on it. I guess it depends on your end result goal, fast or family? If your tearing it all the way down May as well rebuild it all. Then you Know what everything is and it's what you want.
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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2009, 03:17:39 pm »
just looking for fun and reliable at this point . we tore it apart and it is all super clean inside except the #2 intake lifter is worn to a cup and the others are all flat with not even scuff marks from the cam lobes the push rods roll straight on a flat cast iron surface any ideas?????? cylinder walls  all show no wear. I want to check the bearing clearances and read in another thread that jet boats need more clearance what kind of number should I be looking for. and is plastigauge the right way to do it
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2009, 07:36:01 am »
Plastiguage is the ONLY way to do it as far as main and rod bearing clearances. My concern for you is the severely worn lifter (s) and were'd all that metal go? Or through! (That would be a concern). Gonna require a hot tank and thorough block/head cleaning to be sure, IMHO. The cam is wiped, at least on one lobe, probably.

New cam/lifters, obviously in order, and proper break in on that. I would replace the valve springs anyway while at it, as Marc said.

Personally, I would ensure the seat pressure on the springs meets spec for the cam you're gonna use .Those are all available as a kit, usually. Marcsrollin can hook you up on that! I would put in new main and rod bearings anyway and a crank polish while its down. Cheap insurance. Always polish the crank on new mains and rods.

As far at what clearances to look for on the short block? Dave at A&D, Ralph, or Barry (Obnoxious1) would be the pros, but I beleive if you go .002-.005 over spec you should be fine on a boat engine. I'd lean towards the .002 side, but just me.

Topm posted something recently about ring gap too, but doesn't sound like you need to mess with new rings/pistons.

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Re: my new project
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2009, 10:53:15 am »
If you lost a lifter and a cam lobe, which sounds more than a little likely. A complete tear down is in order, the metal that made up the cam lobe and the face of the lifter is hardfaced iron and very abrassive and may have torn up the crank, no need to panic though, probably polish it up and get the clearances you desire...


The best way to check clearances on the rod and main are to use micrometers, plastigage is OK as long as things are freshly machines and really clean, but for used, there are too many variables i.e.; tapered wear patterns, out of round journals, scoring on the surface Yada Yada...

Have a qualified machinist take a gander at what you got..My pet peeve is doing sh!t twice... :thumbdown:

You have it this far it would be a shame to stop just short....The piece of mind will be worth it in the end...

We already made this mistake on Chromeys cruiser...That was a 460 also...Live and learn from others mistakes... ;)

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2009, 04:44:45 pm »
thanks guys sounds like good advice I was kind of figuring to do all that . Havent pulled the cam yet but im sure from the 1 bad lifter that it is focked.what  if anything should i do to the pump berk 12jb-a
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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2009, 10:36:38 am »
marcsrollin check your pm ;D
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2010, 07:54:19 pm »
well after 2 weeks of applying paint stripper, scraping ,washing and sanding we are down to the original gel coat, snot green.next tear out the carpet which is glued in with some kind of construction adhesive then on to primer and blocking ;D Engine block going to machine shop tomorrow for whatever is needed have new cam, lifters ,valve springs and such for rebuild. waiting to see what size bearings and rings I need
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2010, 08:19:41 pm »
looking good! i'd go with that green and some yellow, and go john deere style...you know being a farmer n all right?  ;)

also on a sidenote that is an interesting loader i see....maybe just the angle of the pic idk
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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2010, 10:03:38 pm »
after discovering the green if I did not already have $1000 bucks worth of paint I would have been more careful stripping and just polished out the gel coat. and as far as I know (not much) it is a stock berk JB-A jet
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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2010, 10:17:09 pm »
thanks Paul Lakes only for all the time on the phone today your advise was priceless.I feel more confidant thet iam on the right track now . I have managed to find the cam  you suggested and all the other parts thanks a :thumbup: :thumbup:gain
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2010, 10:29:45 pm »
 looking good  Gordy awsome job bud  ;D :thumbup:
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