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Tech Talk => Engine Mechanical / Electrical => Topic started by: playgrundy on May 18, 2010, 05:45:15 PM

Title: 460ci Jet Boat boggs and dies. :-(
Post by: playgrundy on May 18, 2010, 05:45:15 PM
1 month ago I purchased a 1976 Holmes Horizon Jet Boat. It has a 460ci. engine and berkley jet drive. Before I put it in the water I had to rebuild the carb. When I put it in the water it did not run very well. I checked the cap & rotor & I checked the plugs for proper gap. It ran a little better but when I punch it it boggs and dies. It then takes a bit for it to run again. It idles perfectly & has no misses. I since have tried a new fuel pump and replaced the carb with a known working carb and it still does the same thing. I take it out run it at 3000 to 4000 rpm and it runs great, as soon as I punch it, it will take off and then bogg and die. Is my coil giving me problems or maybe my distributor or the ballist resistor? It has a marine points distributor. I'm a small time mecahnic and this thing has me baffled. It never skips a beat until I punch it. After that it starts hard and boogs at low rpm. after waiting for a minute or 2 it starts right up and runs great until I punch it. Any help would be much apreciated.
Title: Re: 460ci Jet Boat boggs and dies. :-(
Post by: electrowoman on May 18, 2010, 06:38:15 PM
What carb?  Sounds to me like you don't have enough accelerator pump squirt  :sly:
Title: Re: 460ci Jet Boat boggs and dies. :-(
Post by: playgrundy on May 18, 2010, 06:48:52 PM
The carb that came with the boat is the original 0-80318-1 600 CFM Four Barrel Marine Carburetor,  Model 4160; Electric Choke; Vacuum Secondary; Calibrated for Big Block Block 460 Ford Marine Engines. The second one I borrowed from a friend off of his performance street car is a Holly 650 double pumper. I just do not think it is carb problem. Maybe I'm vapor locking. My fuel tank is vented.  :banghead:
Title: Re: 460ci Jet Boat boggs and dies. :-(
Post by: countryboyaustin on May 18, 2010, 07:01:12 PM
Guy in town balanced a Quadrajunk to my engine and I Think he has changed my mind about them! OMG!
Title: Re: 460ci Jet Boat boggs and dies. :-(
Post by: osbo68 on May 18, 2010, 08:11:59 PM
I may be wrong here but how about your fuel filter... carb could be just on the edge of running lean and when you open it up it basically runs out of fuel... you did say it did it even with a known properly operating carb... Hows the fuel pressure.. Did you say you have a fuel pressure guage...   ???... I'm really thinking filter or worn out pump... Just my op.. good luck
Title: Re: 460ci Jet Boat boggs and dies. :-(
Post by: playgrundy on May 18, 2010, 08:16:19 PM
I have 2 brand new inline fuel filters. 1 by the tank and one by the carb. I put a new fuel pump in it. I do not have a fuel pressure guage.
Title: Re: 460ci Jet Boat boggs and dies. :-(
Post by: IRRebel on May 19, 2010, 10:06:36 AM
Sounds very similar to the problem I have been having with one of my boats. I think Rivertard Identified it this past weekend as the "cow whisperer" heard a mssive vacuum leak at speed from the carb base/throttle plate gaskets. I'll break out the WD40 tomorrow when I'm off. There's a whole thread on resolving this fiasco over here.

http://www.socaljetboats.com/engine-mechanical-electrical/electric-fuel-pump-issues-10004/

Ray
Title: Re: 460ci Jet Boat boggs and dies. :-(
Post by: electrowoman on May 19, 2010, 12:44:06 PM
Another possibility is the old fuel line to the pump.   If the hose gets old and weak the pump could be
sucking it shut under hard load.  I had that happen once... I change my hoses every couple years now.
Title: Re: 460ci Jet Boat boggs and dies. :-(
Post by: playgrundy on May 19, 2010, 04:58:44 PM
Well, I replaced the fuel filter by the tank, even though it was only 2 weeks old, & I had much improvment today. Its not perfect, but much better. Next I'm going to replace all the fuel line and I'm going to run 2 new upgraded fuel filters. Wish me luck. I have my fingers crossed. Thanks for everyones help.
Title: Re: 460ci Jet Boat boggs and dies. :-(
Post by: Nordie on May 19, 2010, 07:59:44 PM
Just out of curiosity did you ever check the gap on your points?

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Title: Re: 460ci Jet Boat boggs and dies. :-(
Post by: electrowoman on May 20, 2010, 04:53:42 PM
Did you pull the plugs to see what they look like?   I agree with checking the points to.
The plugs may just tell you all you need to know though.
Title: Re: 460ci Jet Boat boggs and dies. :-(
Post by: playgrundy on May 20, 2010, 05:26:21 PM
Tomorrow I'm going to check the gap of the points. Any ideas what they should be set at? I have checked the plugs & they look great. I gapped the plugs at .035, They were at .045.
Title: Re: 460ci Jet Boat boggs and dies. :-(
Post by: Nordie on May 20, 2010, 05:42:10 PM
might want to check the distributor manufacturer

i think mallory is .18-.22
Title: Re: 460ci Jet Boat boggs and dies. :-(
Post by: SS-201 on May 21, 2010, 06:13:58 AM
Put on a fuel gauge should be 5-7 lbs. That's a vacuum secondary carb , check that the diaphragm is good and working free, the spring is correct color silver works well. The secondaries on that carb runs a plate so their are no jets to change. Also check your timing
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