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FordLover

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Cam Selection
« on: May 05, 2015, 02:02:55 PM »
You know what is frustrating?  Not being smart enough or knowing enough about engines to make an educated decision on what cam to select.  So I basically have my engine 90% purchased but the cam is KILLING me.  Talked with a couple technicians on a couple of different cam sites, one was super afraid of reversion the other acted like it was no big deal.  One said one thing the other said the opposite.  I don't know.  Just kind of tough and I don't want to make the wrong decision and blow my engine up.................again.  But I do want it to perform and be a bad@ss monster.  You know what I am saying?  Think I need some cheese with my whine.   :banghead:
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philofab

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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2015, 02:09:10 PM »
There are a lot of variables so it can be a difficult decision. Post up about your boat and engine and we will all offer suggestions and confuse you more.
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steves86ta

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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2015, 02:13:13 PM »
What he said... give us some details and we can help!  O0
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FordLover

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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2015, 04:57:32 PM »
Lol. Confusing indeed.


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AR aluminum Cobra Jet Heads. Unfortunately don't have any info on these heads except 680 lift is the max they can handle, granted I will get no where near that.
10.5 to 1 compression
Dual 650 carbs
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JC pump with a impeller
Water injected headers

What else do you need?

Was headin towards hydraulic roller due to recommendations, but the specs on it are the issue.  Can't afford to make a mistake.
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LakesOnly

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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2015, 06:34:12 PM »
How much horsepower do you want? Based on the limited parts combo info, I can say that 600 hp should be easy with a flat tappet camshaft.  If I had any say in it (or we were building your engine), I'd strongly advise against the hyd roller camshaft.

If you want to talk about it then please call directly, I don't have as much time as I used to for pecking at a keyboard on forums.

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crewchief22

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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2015, 08:16:16 PM »
I would go with anything ^^^ he recommends.

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GT Jets

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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2015, 08:18:30 PM »
I would go with anything ^^^ he recommends.

Ya.  I don't know. What a hack. :o

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
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FordLover

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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2015, 08:33:24 PM »
How much horsepower do you want? Based on the limited parts combo info, I can say that 600 hp should be easy with a flat tappet camshaft.  If I had any say in it (or we were building your engine), I'd strongly advise against the hyd roller camshaft.

If you want to talk about it then please call directly, I don't have as much time as I used to for pecking at a keyboard on forums.

I am goin to assume Glenn is messin around. Lol

Sure, I will totally call.  Just go to the high flow dynamics site and call the contact number?
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76NORDIC

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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2015, 08:35:12 PM »
LO definitely knows his shit about Ford's

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jyeager

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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2015, 08:45:21 PM »

LO definitely knows his shit about Ford's

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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2015, 09:40:17 PM »
I am goin to assume Glenn is messin around. Lol.

Absolutely. I have a ton of respect for anyone that can make a Ford run like it's scared.
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2015, 12:09:51 AM »
...AR aluminum Cobra Jet Heads. Unfortunately don't have any info on these heads except 680 lift is the max they can handle, granted I will get no where near that...l

Not entirely true!

Duration dictates compression ratio, not lift.  Albeit, lift is somewhat tied to duration in that a lobe profile can only actuate a given type and diameter of lifter so fast.  With that being said, within a given family of lobe profiles, you will see that as lift goes up, so does duration.  That is where roller profiles shine.  The intensity at which a roller lifter can be actuated is much greater than with a flat tappet.  This intensity can be pushed further with a lobe designed specifically for the Ford .874 diameter lifter compared to one ground for a Chevy .842 lifters, not to mention the increased reliability of a larger roller wheel and axle.

My question is, why are you limited to just .680 lift?

Cheers,

Joe
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Flusher

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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2015, 12:14:50 AM »
I'd strongly advise against the hyd roller camshaft.

I keep hearing this.  Is this a Ford 385 thing?
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philofab

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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2015, 06:10:10 AM »
Yes, BBF have some odd valve train angles and it causes the pushrods to move side to side a bit through travel. Although a roller cam can be made to work it takes a lot of setup time and is prone to wear out pushrods quickly.
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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2015, 07:56:07 AM »
I'm running a roller cam in my 545. no problems just make sure everything is set up correctly, fords don't give any room for error while running hydraulic roller


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Re: Cam Selection
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2016, 02:27:48 PM »
Chris Straub or Kip at Cam motion can set you up sir! An @ .050" 248/256 .600-.650 lift on a 112 should make a nice happy medium for you.
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