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tryklon

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engine swap advice??
« on: January 30, 2011, 07:05:33 PM »
Hey guys the wheels are turning again  :screwy:
I have a 70 camaro with a 350 lookin to put a 454
Considering selling the olds 455 and swapping for
The less tempramental more fuel efficient 350 for the boat

What do u guys think
What problems lie ahead for the swap
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crewchief22

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2011, 07:11:26 PM »
Leave the small block in the Camaro... add Nitrous  ;D

Replace the 455 with the 454  :thumbup:
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The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

Horizonjet

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2011, 07:41:59 PM »
crewchief is correct. build a screaming 350 for the camaro and build a screaming 454 for the boat   :thumbup:
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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2011, 09:14:39 PM »
crewchief is correct. build a screaming 350 for the camaro and build a screaming 454 for the boat   :thumbup:

X3  >:D
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
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tryklon

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2011, 09:53:38 AM »
ok guys, change of plans got a free 350!! cant go wrong, however needs to be rebuilt but thats code for a small beast  >:D

What are going to be issues swaping from the 455 to the 350?
what do you recommend for a good powertrain combination for family boatability and power going threw this thing??
any suggestions would be appreciated

thanks again Gurus  O0   

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Brendella Pickle

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2011, 10:32:05 AM »
"family boatability and power going threw this thing??"

 

Family boatability... does it run good? Leave it alone.

Power... with an SBC? Order an 871 or a matched pair of turbos.

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laveyjoel

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2011, 11:48:48 AM »
18.5' Laveycraft, Kodiac Marine 350 sbc/Dominator pump - freckin love the setup.

If I already had a BBC I would not switch for gas savings - I burn both 12 gallon tanks on a day trip(we ski/tube alot).
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tryklon

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2011, 04:36:05 PM »
the olds 455 runs decent but im fighting the milk shake, I think i need a better regulator for the cooling system, and I would prefer to use a sbc or bbc for the ease and cost of future parts... plus i have a pretty nice 350 for free to throw in there

The setup looks good on the 350 anything special done there?
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laveyjoel

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2011, 05:07:53 PM »
Yes, it's a true marine engine - even has a water pump...runs 180 all day, 50 or 100 degrees outside.

The package actually has the same power of a stock bbc...my freinds stock 454/berkley has nothing on me - pretty damn close.

Still burn the same amount of gas though. My quadrajet is as large as his Holley.
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crewchief22

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2011, 06:38:17 PM »
If I was going to put a small block in front of a jet it would have to be no less than a 383, and preferably with a blower.

If you have the 454 available... use it for the boat and build a healty small block for the Camaro.  Why add the weight to the Camaro?
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laveyjoel

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2011, 06:53:31 PM »
I have to ask......

What is the differance from a sbc @ 5500RPM or a bbc @ 5500RPM......PUSHING A JET?




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OC2Vegas

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2011, 07:05:18 PM »
I have to ask......

What is the differance from a sbc @ 5500RPM or a bbc @ 5500RPM......PUSHING A JET?

150 -200 lbs of Torque on a decent BBC build
« Last Edit: February 01, 2011, 07:07:31 PM by OC2Vegas »
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laveyjoel

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2011, 07:15:54 PM »
so torque over rpm.....

I do not agree....in 1970 I would...

two exactly built motors.....in 2010....sbc vs bbc....understand mild / stock,,,,,,350/375 hp........each, pushing the same jet........





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Brendella Pickle

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2011, 06:53:49 AM »
In a jet boat torque = rpm. (otherwise we would all be running Mazda Rotarys and streetbike engines)

The BBC is going to give you free torque where with the SBC you are going to have to buy it. You can do all the same things with an SBC but it will be a race engine (less reliable) versus a reliable near stock BBC. Also there are weight differences which can affect the handling of your ride. Your boat was most likely designed to have the weight of a BBC, BBF or Olds in it.

It sounds like you're already sold on the SBC.
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fastmarlene

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2011, 02:38:06 PM »
SBC  Vs BBC
There will be weight difference.  May not be that big a deal if you are using the boat as a cruiser.  If it is an issue you can always add big cooler of beer to make up the difference.    Mounts and exhaust will have to be modified but I am guessing you have that covered.  The important thing is jets like torque.  Every body likes to talk horsepower but torque turns the impellor.   I have mildly built 540 in my boat.  Makes over 650 Ftlbs of torque at 49-5,000 Rpm on pump gas. If you want similar performance of the olds 455, you may have to go down a size on your pump impellor.  Similar to putting taller gear in your camaro.  Means you turn the 350 higher to do the same thing.
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mash on it

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2011, 11:20:55 AM »
 


Mines a mild 350, turning 45-4600 R's Dominator pump "A" impeller, all day long, it did have a
stock 460 Ford, turned (same pump) 4400 :screwy: (alum intake and logs)
Spec out a ZZ4 and turn an "A" at 5000 r's :thumbup:

The camero NEEDS the big block................. ;D

Daniel
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fastmarlene

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2011, 04:42:54 PM »
Just in case you decide to put a DeSoto engine in your boat instead of the sbc, here is a link with engine weights. http://www.team.net/sol/tech/engine.html
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tryklon

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2011, 06:34:09 PM »
In a world where torque=RPM  like ours, why wouldent everyone want to switch a high reving machine??? :screwy:

Could someone comment so I can better understand the knowledge  :banghead:
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Nordie

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2011, 06:46:16 PM »
someday just because i love the sbc i wanna build one for a jet! Just to see whats going to happen...why not????? I did try to convince my dad on trading motors, because he wants a more reliable less crazy valvetrain bbc vs the less reliable more crazy valvetrain SBC he is running in his nova! But his 420+ inch sbc does make over 600HP with 14-1 compression...but that hp is way high in the rpm range...he tore the motor down to have it gone through for this next season, and the rockers well they didnt fare so well...they roller tip portion of the rockers was actually seperating...i guess my point is that you can make some serious hp with a SBC, but the reliability and maintnence is going to come with the price! I am not against it though, but if i was going to do it...well hands down it would be either an LS1 or LS2! I would just build that SBC for the camaro, and a nice turn key BBC for the boat...a nice pump gas deal in both, and call it a day!
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tryklon

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Re: engine swap advice??
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2011, 07:18:17 AM »
what do you guys think is a healthy ratio between torque and HP for a SBC
street application?
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