SoCal Jet Boats
Tech Talk => Engine Mechanical / Electrical => Topic started by: Brad @ SCJB on December 22, 2007, 10:20:35 PM
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I aquired a motor from skip a few weeks ago and not sure what I am going to do with it just yet. Since money is tight.....i figured i would do a budget 460 project with it.
My goals:
- Spend as little as possible
The cash counter is set to zero....and only goes up based on money i spend from here on out, it does not include parts i currently own or that have been donated, only out of pocket expenses related to the motor itself.
I am not a mechanic by any means, so that means i have no idea what i am doing. Only 460 experience I have is with my previous motor. So that being said, any suggestions/advice will be greatly appreciated.
The motor: $100 + 2 SCJB Shirts
This is a D9TE-AB block. Skip only gave me a little info when I picked it up. He said it came out of a flat bed pickup that was out on a ranch and was used to haul hay around. The truck was totaled when it hit a pole, but the motor was still running. I have no idea what the heads are...there are no markings anywhere other then a ford logo by the valve springs.
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So tonight I started breakin it down......this motor is a fuggin mess!
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check out the slack in the timing chain....
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football bolts....
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no idea where this piece of the block went....no sign of it anywhere. ???
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box of the crap i removed....
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Does the balancer spacer have a wieght on it ?
I have two pair of BBF heads like those one is a D3 and the other is a D4.
They are 91 - 95 cc combustion chambers
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(https://www.socaljetboats.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2262.0;attach=8650;image)
just smooth and blend out all signs of cracks. You can dye check it latter.
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so....things I need so far...
- Timing Set - $40-$60
- Oil Pan - $300-$400
- Gasket set - ~$50
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Does the balancer spacer have a wieght on it ?
yes.
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so....things I need so far...
- Timing Set - $40-$60
- Oil Pan - $300-$400
- Gasket set - ~$50
Is there enough left of your gold pan to weld a new rail on it ?
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brad, love the play by play action thus this means i am one day behind you doing the same have a 460 w/dove block and dove heads, please go day by day i will need it since i really dont know anything about motors except when you here clicking and rattling turn off immediately ;D ;D oh skip you should of got a bakers dozen of those choc chip cookies she made on the other thread thanks brad
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Is there enough left of your gold pan to weld a new rail on it ?
nope....there is holes in both sides and the bottoms....one side of the rails is trashed...and the windage tray is destroyed...
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just to carify....this project is for the hell of it....for fun.....many shortcuts will be taken to cut costs...so this project might not be one to follow dirk ;)
who knows, maybe it will complete a heat ;D
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nope....there is holes in both sides and the bottoms....one side of the rails is trashed...and the windage tray is destroyed...
That is too bad. I have destroied my pan a bunch and it seen we can always fix it, using parts from stock pans and some small plates. How much do you want for it ? Lucky stiff has 7 .030 TRW L-2404s and a set of 7 cj/truck rods.
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just to carify....this project is for the hell of it....for fun.....many shortcuts will be taken to cut costs...so this project might not be one to follow dirk ;)
who knows, maybe it will complete a heat ;D
Yee haw! I think nitrous is the cheapest horsepower ;D
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brad, i will do it for the hell of it too, just think i do not have a boat ready for it yet either but like the freakin rednecks in nascar a second motor waiting on shore works too ;D
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I bet you could get this one for $1K
http://www.banderlog.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5328
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Here is a desent thread on a build;
http://460ford.com/viewtopic.php?t=6937
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Yee haw! I think nitrous is the cheapest horsepower ;D
hmmmm ;D
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Brad, if you really want to install that high mileage engine which has bearing clearances possibly as little as 0.0008" (that's right less than 1 thou, and no I'm not kidding), and then spin it at a sustained 5000 rpm...then don't complain if you end up with a second grenaded engine on your hands. No saying it will absolutely happen, but it very well may happen.
We will accept your non-disassembled longblock as a core trade-in toward a fully rebuilt jet boat applicable 466-472 pump gas frinedly 400hp-550hp engine, should you have a financial windfall this christmas. ;)
LO
p.s.: Any questions during your current build, feel free to ask,as always.
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...then don't complain if you end up with a second grenaded engine on your hands.
thanks for the offer paul, but its just not realistic to come up with that much money in 2 months.....so im going to run with what i got and have fun with it....if it dies on the water....oh well, i got out there and did something rather then sitting on the shore counting my pennies.
again, i want to state this is for fun...im not looking to unleash ass whoopings with it....i just want to get back out on the water while i save up money for a built motor. ;)
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I like your attitude Brad! Get to the lake anyway you can, and if you go to the river just remember to always go upstream.
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If it has high mileage the clearances should be a little more no?
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On one of my builds (granted for a car but hey), I pulled the 250K+ miles 440 engine out of the 72 Imperial, changed the rings and bearings, new oil, threw a 200 shot on it and raced it and used it as a tow vehicle for 10 years. Sure there is a little piston slap on really cold mornings, but it runs just fine thank you.....
The factory stuff is more durable than people give it credit for. Those cast pistons are doing fine...
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Low buck is not low thought!!!
Cam, lifters, bowl blend,port match, polish combustion chambers,valve job w/ springs
3 blade hone from NAPA, Polish the crank to reasonable clearance, rings
HELL ya!! Send it!! Attention to detail is what makes it work. I agree with Speedy mopar. ;D
Whatever it takes!!
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Low buck is not low thought!!!
Cam, lifters, bowl blend,port match, polish combustion chambers,valve job w/ springs
3 blade hone from NAPA, Polish the crank to reasonable clearance, rings
HELL ya!! Send it!! Attention to detail is what makes it work. I agree with Speedy mopar. ;D
Whatever it takes!!
Yea, but that's after $1000 and 40 hours of work. I think Brad wants it to be done FAST and CHEAP lol
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the word is that the motor has 66k on the clock and ran when it was pulled last spring.
im gunna slap a pan on it and my tunnel ram...and run with it. >:D
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GO Brad "run what ya brung" Tom
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Who remebers the old rap song . " I like the cars , the cars that go boom !"
It would be boats in this case .
-beerjet-
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Who remebers the old rap song . " I like the cars , the cars that go boom !"
It would be boats in this case .
-beerjet-
Smack it,flip it,rub it down. RUN IT.
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Hey what are the options?
Boat with no motor, waiting for one -
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Boat with a slap together motor, that may surprise you and actually run? Worse case you are sitting at #1 again.
Sounds like a no brainer. Of course, if you really get desparate, I still have another Mopar BB sitting in the garage...they tend to keep on running (though I've done the same thing that you did)...
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That works also. It beats paddling. ;D
For xtra protection, if it were me, I'd run a quality synthetic oil like Mobil 1. Hammer down!!
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Brad ,no Spam here ,as in the past send me your parts wish list and as in the past, We will help you with a lot of this N/C , a great deal of what you need is sitting here and we have several BBF cores,cranks heads etc !re the pan send it up my welder can fix almost anything ;D Tom
ps Josh has a Killer "proven recipe" he found for a budget 460 400+ HP
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Who remebers the old rap song . " I like the cars , the cars that go boom !"
It would be boats in this case .
-beerjet-
Not that i ever heard it before ::) but that would be L'trim ;D
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Brad heres some usefull info Josh found for you and Skip that might be helpful Tom
http://www.reincarnation-automotive.com/Knownenginecombinationswithdynoorrackprovenperformance.html
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Here is a desent thread on a build;
http://460ford.com/viewtopic.php?t=6937
Jim, How do you get registered on that web site? I've tried for several months and no reply or registration yet. Thanks, Greg
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Brad, while you have the pan off check the main/thrust bearing for damage. If the truck was totaled with a severe front end collision the weight of the crank can damage the thrust (more common in big diesel trucks but not hard to check at this point)
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Jim, How do you get registered on that web site? I've tried for several months and no reply or registration yet. Thanks, Greg
send me your info in a pm and i'll give it to the mod tonight
just your log in/screen name
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Brad, while you have the pan off check the main/thrust bearing for damage. If the truck was totaled with a severe front end collision the weight of the crank can damage the thrust (more common in big diesel trucks but not hard to check at this point)
thanks for the suggestion!
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Does it live yet?
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Does it live yet?
nope....havent made much progress since i tore it down...maybe i will get started on it this week.
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i got a nos plate unit you could borrow,and the bottle from my civic if u wanna squeezzzzzee it >:D
just let me know before hand so i can make sure to bring the tow boat ;D
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i got a nos plate unit you could borrow,and the bottle from my civic if u wanna squeezzzzzee it >:D
just let me know before hand so i can make sure to bring the tow boat ;D
Need to let Brad get a full day on the "new" motor before you go trying to blow it up ;D
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brad, any progress as of yet
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...if you really get desparate, I still have another Mopar BB sitting in the garage...they tend to keep on running (though I've done the same thing that you did)...
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2262.0;attach=8912;image)
Do my eyes deceive me? How do you break an beefy-ass Mopar LY rod with polished beams? Please say you were running a power adder.
LO
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It's been done paul.... It's been done ;D
Some six pack rods can make a Bbf pretty strong, but only so much lol
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Do my eyes deceive me? How do you break an beefy-ass Mopar LY rod with polished beams? Please say you were running a power adder.
LO
Your eyes do not decieve you. shot peened and polished LY's
As I once said " if you aren't breaking parts, you aren't trying hard enough!"
That was an 8500 RPM 440 with a big solid roller, tunnel ram and a 300 shot.
Lasted for 15 years - strangely enough broke (well fully broke) at idle not on the pass I had made just 10 minutes before. Lucked out on that one.
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Your eyes do not decieve you. shot peened and polished LY's
That was an 8500 RPM 440 with a big solid roller, tunnel ram and a 300 shot.
Lasted for 15 years...
Well then, under those circumstances I'd say it held up better than anyone could expect. 8) Good. Nice to hear, as they are usable in a 460 stroker of sorts (baby stroker). The 440 rod may be on the heavy side for a stock rod, but they are quite strong...and most strong aftermarket steel rods have some mass to themselves anyway.
Thx,
LO
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Well then, under those circumstances I'd say it held up better than anyone could expect. 8) Good. Nice to hear, as they are usable in a 460 stroker of sorts (baby stroker). The 440 rod may be on the heavy side for a stock rod, but they are quite strong...and most strong aftermarket steel rods have some mass to themselves anyway.
Thx,
LO
There is the 6 pac rod and then the LY - LY's are prefered by me as they are beefy but not overly heavy like the 6pacs.
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This project has been put in the hands of Tom @ JetBoatPerformance, you can follow it here:
http://www.socaljetboats.com/index.php?topic=2609.0
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seen it in another post garage sale = extra boat money if ya can and you can get some headers ya might find a soft heart here that has a set 460s need to breath good an intake would help to ive had a few trucks with 460s they take alota punishment and keep goin good luk if i come acros 1 ill let ya know
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my 460 pan was torn almost in half same as yours welder charged me an hour to fix completely i was amazed it looks like it can be fixed from your other post pics mine looked alot worse ......hope this helps I got parts to but sounds like you got it covered I built my bbf trickflow heads and all for 2100 bucks just took a little time dam kids they are expensive so i know about budgets can any of you nice guys help me with pump questions?