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Tech Talk => Engine Mechanical / Electrical => Topic started by: 2savage4you on March 15, 2009, 04:20:50 PM

Title: Circuit Breakers
Post by: 2savage4you on March 15, 2009, 04:20:50 PM

how do you tell if they still work , i got one and i think its off Omars boat but i want to make sure it still works before i put it on..

I have power going through it but how do i trip it , ground it out maybe.

just want to test it.




 ;D

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: 76NORDIC on March 15, 2009, 05:32:26 PM

Hey Steve, if it came off of Omars boat :sly: the one that split ???  I'd be a little bit leary :screwy:   But from what I was told thats the way to check it, to short it :screwy:  I had a prob with that idea so I have never tested it, I figured if there was smoke coming from the back of the boat when I was running I should prolly pull over and check it out, which happened once, and it was some extra cabling that shorted on the exhaust and didnt even trip the breaker :banghead:  yanked all the crap out and havent had a prob since    just my .02   Mark

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: Stevecat on March 15, 2009, 06:29:59 PM

Quote from: 2savage4you on March 15, 2009, 04:20:50 PM

how do you tell if they still work

Couple of ways to short it.
1) ground it to something big like the motor or the neg terminal of the batt.
2) hold on to the motor with one hand and lick the terminal of the CB with your tongue.  :o :o :o :o













No, seriously don't try option #2.

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: GT Jets on March 15, 2009, 06:38:27 PM

Just be carful not to pull a Skip and blow the battery to shit   ::)

I use a battery load checker, it works badass and no chaces for a arc..be careful!

GT

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: 2savage4you on March 15, 2009, 06:45:11 PM

I was going to try it with my batt charger, it wont blow up...... i hope ;D

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: electrowoman on March 16, 2009, 03:43:07 PM

DO NOT SHORT A WIRE AT THE BATTERY UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE BLIND OR BADLY BURNED.

If you are going to play the short game hook two of your heaviest wires you can find to the battery, (jumpers will work).  Make a loop away from the battery prefferably over the side of the boat and away from any fuel fumes.   

Short the two wires out there in space while wearing a nice pair of insulated rubber gloves.  It's possible the wires will weld together and the wires will become SUPER HOT.  Have a plan for a quick release of the wires by pulling or what ever.   Plan on the breaker NOT tripping for safety's sake.

You're playing a fools game when you cause a dead short.

DC current is very unforgiving, be careful

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: 2savage4you on March 16, 2009, 03:53:40 PM

I did it ;D but i think i need a new breaker now ???
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Im gonna just order the correct parts... Im starting to get anxiouse and want to hear this bitch run......NOW!!!!! :D

Thanks ...........

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: beerjet on March 16, 2009, 05:35:47 PM

You know what steve, The first time I met brad, we were cruising Lake Elsinore and when I would stomp on it, it would spudder a bit at high RPM's and occassionally stall.
One day it wouldnt start on the trailer and so I called Bumper-jetboat-a-holic, followed a few wires and the terminals were loose at the breaker switch.
I replaced the terminals and never had a problem since.
With that anyways  :-\

-beerjet-

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: 2savage4you on March 16, 2009, 05:52:57 PM

Quote from: beerjet on March 16, 2009, 05:35:47 PM

You know what steve, The first time I met brad, we were cruising Lake Elsinore and when I would stomp on it, it would spudder a bit at high RPM's and occassionally stall.
One day it wouldnt start on the trailer and so I called Bumper-jetboat-a-holic, followed a few wires and the terminals were loose at the breaker switch.
I replaced the terminals and never had a problem since.
With that anyways  :-\

-beerjet-

Soooo...... Would you say that breaker is still good ? Has it ever tripped..... Hell has anybodys ever tripped while on the water..

Im doing it again aren't i   ( over thinking shit ) :sly:

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: 76NORDIC on March 16, 2009, 06:13:11 PM

Hey Steve like I said in a earlier post, my boat was SMOKING and the dammnn thing didnt trip. Hell the one cable was melted to the bare wire So hell I dont know if mine works or not. :mad: And to be honest I dont really care :screwy: I have seen many boats that didnt even have one on them, so im not sure that they are really even necessary, maybe Tom can chime in on this and enlighten us both ???

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: beerjet on March 16, 2009, 06:49:46 PM

I think you are over thinkin it a bit .
Being more cautious than anything.
Buy a new one as a spare, fuk it !

-beerjet-

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: electrowoman on March 17, 2009, 03:49:43 PM

Has anyone ever heard of a fuse block?    ::)

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: 2savage4you on March 17, 2009, 06:13:44 PM

Quote from: electrowoman on March 17, 2009, 03:49:43 PM

Has anyone ever heard of a fuse block?    ::)

Yeah , but that would be too easy ;D

Just installed a new one today............... Thanks everyone

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: 2savage4you on March 24, 2009, 03:38:36 PM

Quote from: electrowoman on March 17, 2009, 03:49:43 PM

Has anyone ever heard of a fuse block?    ::)

Ok now that i have the boat all tore up again and am going to redo it.... tell me more about this fuse block and where it should go..

Im only wiring from the transom to the engine and am now debating even using the circuit breaker.. I took a look at a few boats today and they dont have em ???


 ;D

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: flytime on March 24, 2009, 03:51:27 PM

Quote from: 2savage4you on March 24, 2009, 03:38:36 PM

Ok now that i have the boat all tore up again and am going to redo it....

 ;D

Steve,
Please tell me you are kidding. You were soooo close buddy....what happened?

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: OC2Vegas on March 24, 2009, 03:54:12 PM

Quote from: flytime on March 24, 2009, 03:51:27 PM

Steve,
Please tell me you are kidding. You were soooo close buddy....what happened?

He's actually afraid of the water!

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: 2savage4you on March 24, 2009, 04:07:01 PM

Quote from: flytime on March 24, 2009, 03:51:27 PM

Steve,
Please tell me you are kidding. You were soooo close buddy....what happened?

No not kidding, But im only changing a couple wires ;D

Im going from this..
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To this.......... ;D
http://www.jegs.com/i/Mallory/650/8548201RC/10002/-1

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: flytime on March 24, 2009, 04:11:54 PM

Got it. My bad. I took that comment as you tore the entire boat apart and were going to start ALL over again. Changing dizzy's is no big deal and I can handle that. It's getting warm, time to get that bitch wet. ;D

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: IRRebel on March 26, 2009, 12:39:51 AM

At least the floors are still in it.  ;D

Steve, if you're going to run a fuse block, the handiest place is right at your terminal block. Problem is, when one blows, and they will, it's at the back of the engine (Where YOUR dizzy is).  Fuses are much more tempermental and unforgiving than CB's. In other words, they blow much easier than a CB trips. Safer? Well, kinda, yes from an electrical standpoint, but on a boat? I'm not so sure. The best place would be at the helm. But that's a lot of wiring.

I tested both of my breakers, yeah, there's two of them, in series, and they're fine. Same problem tho, when they pop, they're on the back of the boat with the hour meter. I'm rethinking their location only because when it happens, and it will, it will be at speed and the boat will shut down, and consequently, when my wake half floods the back of the boat, (Again), NOW i got a bigger problem. Wet breakers and a boat half full of water with no power. I am even complicating this with an Oil Pressure cutoff. I almost think I'm TRYING to sink this thing! :banghead:

But the engine is valuable to me

A fuse block is a great idea, as they almost never fail, but they do blow far more often. (Ever notice even NEW cars come with spares inside the fusebox cover? Go figure!)

I would go with what you're comfortable with. Personally, my preference was to run overguage wires (which most manufacturers apparently already did, so that was handled for me) for their respective purposes AND run two breakers in series. If one fails, the other won't. Laws of averages. Nothing wrong with running two in series.

Ray

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: crewchief22 on March 26, 2009, 07:07:56 AM

Quote from: IRRebel on March 26, 2009, 12:39:51 AM

I would go with what you're comfortable with. Personally, my preference was to run overguage wires (which most manufacturers apparently already did, so that was handled for me) for their respective purposes AND run two breakers in series. If one fails, the other won't. Laws of averages. Nothing wrong with running two in series.

Ray

I don't think running two breakers in series would accomplish anything.  If one fails you still have cut power to the circuit.  Did you mean run two in parallel?

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: IRRebel on March 26, 2009, 06:24:00 PM

Nope, mine are in series, kinda like way most a/c units have a breaker in the panel and one at the cutoff box (Least mine does). When I tested mine, the second one tripped but not the first, makes sense. My thinking is if the first one fails, or 'welds' itself closed, the second should trip. I dunno, might be off base on this tho. Makes sense in my whacked mind as long as the breakers are the same size.

Ray

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: crewchief22 on March 26, 2009, 07:07:09 PM

I was thinking of failed as "open" not "closed".

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: IRRebel on March 26, 2009, 07:41:49 PM

Quote from: crewchief22 on March 26, 2009, 07:07:09 PM

I was thinking of failed as "open" not "closed".

(Light bulb goes off )  >:D Ok, so two pairs of in series wired breakers THEN wired in parallel?, Perfect! safe as can be I would think ;D

See why I posted the "Over-analyzing" bit?  :banghead:

Getting a headache yet Steve?  ;D How many breakers did you order?

Was Keiths Idea............... ::)

Ray

On the down side of this, the breaker panel would look somewhat like a panel to launch an ICBM.  But Tom could market it as the "Obama Proof" electical panel. I see patent potential. ;D

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: povertyjet on March 26, 2009, 08:40:05 PM

Ray,  One breaker or fuse per circuit.  Your AC has a "disconnect" at the unit to service it...not the same thing.

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: 2savage4you on March 27, 2009, 05:43:15 PM

Well i finally had a chance to do something today. been windy as phuk :mad: :mad: :mad:

I mounted my circuit breaker on the transom, made a bracket and Bam there it is DONE!!!!!!
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And cleaned up my wiring for the new HEI dizzy ;) moved the solenoid back over to the factory mount and shortened the wiring..

Now its simple ;D
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Thanks for all the info guys and as usual i put too much thought into it and made it harder than it needed to be , but hey........ Thats how i roll :D

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: maddogg20 on March 27, 2009, 05:45:14 PM

what is your circuit breaker protecting? what do you have wired to it?

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: 2savage4you on March 27, 2009, 05:48:59 PM

Quote from: maddogg20 on March 27, 2009, 05:45:14 PM

what is your circuit breaker protecting? what do you have wired to it?

It protects the bow light that is wired to the flux capacitor ;D as long as i dont hit 85 ill be ok

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: povertyjet on March 27, 2009, 08:41:36 PM

That is really sano Steve.

p-jet

Title: Re: Circuit Breakers
Post by: GT Jets on March 27, 2009, 09:27:17 PM

Quote from: 2savage4you on March 27, 2009, 05:48:59 PM

It protects the bow light that is wired to the flux capacitor ;D as long as i dont hit 85 ill be ok

Are you running the platinum flux capacitor, or did you opt. for the titanium version?

 ;D

GT