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Harmonic balancer
« on: April 13, 2015, 06:51:39 am »
I'm installing a new harmonic balancer on a Gen6 bbc. Its no going on straight does anyone have a fix, or had this problem?
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2015, 07:53:41 am »
Do you have an installer?

Is the key rolling?

Do not use a hammer. You can buy a universal installer for not much dough.

Let me know if you need one and I may be able to send you mine. Some auto parts stores rent them.

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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2015, 08:01:04 am »
Yes I used a balancer tool. I'll check and see if the key moved. Thanks
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2015, 05:20:05 pm »
I just got my new woodruff key in and installed the balancer. Still have the same problem won't go on straight could my crank be bent? Thanks for the help this is my first jet and I want to get on the water.
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2015, 06:06:31 pm »
Forgive my ignorance and worn out eyes, what are we looking at here? Is that lining at the mating surface of the crank to the hub of the balancer?  Is the bolt tightened to 85ft/lbs.?

If I was a betting man, I would say the Chinese Balancer is the issue, not the crank.

No offense intended.

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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2015, 04:28:21 am »
Forgive my ignorance and worn out eyes, what are we looking at here? Is that lining at the mating surface of the crank to the hub of the balancer?  Is the bolt tightened to 85ft/lbs.?

If I was a betting man, I would say the Chinese Balancer is the issue, not the crank.

No offense intended.

GT
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2015, 04:36:09 am »
Is the keyway to tall???

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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2015, 05:59:49 am »
It's is a summit SFI approved balancer not china 308$. I've had good luck with them on sbc. But I'm willing to try something dinferent. What one would you recommend. In the pic you can see the gap from the timming cover to the balancer. Thanks for the help
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2015, 11:09:22 am »
It's is a summit SFI approved balancer not china 308$. I've had good luck with them on sbc. But I'm willing to try something dinferent. What one would you recommend. In the pic you can see the gap from the timming cover to the balancer. Thanks for the help

I don't mean to be abrasive about it. Summit does not make any engine parts. They simply rebrand parts from other manufacturers.

Does it say made in U.S.A ?

If it was, would that not be advertised? If I sold it, I would want folks to know. ..

Now. There may be nothing wrong. Have you checked the runout? Grab a dial indicator and rotate the crank and check it out. Might just be an optical illusion.

GT
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2015, 12:32:20 pm »
I'm getting a dial indicator from work tomorrow. Thanks again. The balancer was made in Australia I gave summit an ear full there will to take it back.
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2015, 01:29:22 pm »
I'm getting a dial indicator from work tomorrow. Thanks again. The balancer was made in Australia I gave summit an ear full there will to take it back.

I am really not trying to be a dick. I promise.

When someone tells you something is "made in Australia" my instincts tell me it likely only "came from Australia", but was actually manufactured in China or some other rinky dink third world toilet.

Don't get me wrong, that might be a really nice piece. It looks like fair quality to me.

Here is where I have the issue.

When something is said to have come from Australia,  Germany,  Sweden,  whatever,  without proper labeling, it could have come from anywhere. Quite literally. The patent company is in that country and they cover up what the actual country of origin is. It's quite the scam if you think about it.

Pro Comp and Professional Products are the worst.

I deal with this on a daily basis. I do work for some federal government facilities. The products are supposed to be mostly from U.S. manufacturers and made mostly of U.S. components.

All that being said, I have seen great big made in USA labels with the Eagle, Old Glory, the whole bit, stuck right on top of a "made in Mexico" label.

I'm not bashing you for buying a Summit balancer. That is likely a very fine piece. All I'm saying is buyer beware.

Now on to your issue. Have you spun the engine over? Does it patato chip?  If not, I would run it.

Sorry for the bashing, but I just got a reality check on some parts last month that once I did the research really pissed me off that we don't have stricter rules on this kind of crap.

Here's the thing.

Have you ever tried to buy a pair of quality work boots made in USA? Not impossible, but getting harder every day. The problem is, you can't figure it out by price. They charge the same coin whether it's made by a 11 year old kid in the slums of Bangladesh or in San Antonio Texas by a union Cobbler. Absolute con if you ask me. The day I put Chinese boots on my feet to go to my union job here in America, they won.

Rant is now 100% complete, sorry for the thread heist.

GT
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2015, 01:48:12 pm »
3 words for you GT. Red wing shoes!!! Lol.


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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2015, 02:00:04 pm »
3 words for you GT. Red wing shoes!!! Lol.


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You better be careful. .....


http://complaintwire.org/complaint/B7EBAAAAAAA/red-wing-shoes


Trust me, I have been looking into this for the last ten years. What goes on will shock you to your very core.

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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2015, 02:03:37 pm »
I always buy the same boot slip on and I always look at the tongue. And it says USA   


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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2015, 02:24:48 pm »
access denied......

in response to the link you just posted.....is it just my system?  or did anyone else have issues....?
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2015, 02:27:59 pm »
access denied......

in response to the link you just posted.....is it just my system?  or did anyone else have issues....?

That's weird.  It was just a consumer complaint website I frequent. I don't even have to log in.

Must be made in. .... Never mind. Lol

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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2015, 02:32:38 pm »
I got in right away???


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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2015, 03:00:40 pm »
What balencer do you recommend? I'm open for anything but a TCI rattler
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2015, 03:08:06 pm »
What balencer do you recommend? I'm open for anything but a TCI rattler

The rattler is a stupid idea based on an even more ridiculous theory.

You are fine with the unit you have imho.

If you want the best?  It will cost you about the same as what you have, but check out Innovators West.

Bad ass to say the least.
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2015, 03:15:19 pm »
Do you have the means to measure the interference between the ID of the damper and the OD of the crankshaft snout?  It should be around .001 per inch of diameter or the bore in the damper should be approximately .0016 smaller than outside diameter of the crankshaft snout.

I have seen dampers manufactured with as much as .006 of interference.  The manufacturers say that it is easier to do that when customers' crankshafts are worn undersized.

I had to make a spacer to fill the void created by the keyway so that the stones would not catch while I honed to size.

Have you taken it apart to verify that the crankshaft and damper did not get damaged and roll the edge?  If so, you will need to repair that before you can proceed.

Good luck,

Joe
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2015, 03:26:59 pm »
Thanks for the help guys. I'm going to measure everything at my work tomorrow I'll let you know what I find.
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2015, 03:55:17 pm »
9hrs later we found the problems. First problem was I didn't put the the the timming gear on all the way. Good news was the timming gear was made in the USA lol. The balancer was bad also, good new is there refunding me and I'll order the one tomorrow that GT recommended. If I get this going I'll see you guys at the Avi be our first jetboat trip. I'll have beer and be in a blue miller boat. Thanks for the help guys.
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2015, 08:34:52 pm »
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2015, 11:37:21 pm »
Phuck yeah!!!
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Re: Harmonic balancer
« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2015, 11:05:44 am »
Innovators West makes bad arse stuff for sure!  I've used them on high-end builds.  The crank trigger units they have are amazing. 

Depending on your application it may be overkill, though.  Like running billet steel rods in a 500hp build.  Sure they'll work great but do you really need to spend that much?  Food for thought.
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