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Tech Talk => Engine Mechanical / Electrical => Topic started by: TJS Nordic on March 30, 2008, 06:40:47 PM

Title: Lets talk fuel fills...venting ?
Post by: TJS Nordic on March 30, 2008, 06:40:47 PM
How are these vented. I have these on my Nordic. I think they are the older ones though. Mine have the spring, rubber and a plate inside the flip top. I cannot see how they actually vent. So I drilled small holes on the side of them. The holes face away from any incoming water. If I do not need the holes and somebody can explain how they vent then I will tig them up. Thanks.
  T.J.
again I think mine are older.

Title: Re: Lets talk fuel fills...venting ?
Post by: Luckie Stiff on March 30, 2008, 06:45:11 PM
TJ-
I don't think any of those fuel fills are vented, I know mine aren't and I can't recall seeing any that were. I think venting them might actually be a good thing.
Title: Re: Lets talk fuel fills...venting ?
Post by: Nordie on March 30, 2008, 06:56:16 PM
there is also the possibility that your tanks have vents in them
Title: Re: Lets talk fuel fills...venting ?
Post by: TJS Nordic on March 30, 2008, 06:57:05 PM
TJ-
I don't think any of those fuel fills are vented, I know mine aren't and I can't recall seeing any that were. I think venting them might actually be a good thing.

Ya Luckie, I have been searching and some marine companies say they are vented and others do not state they are vented like Rex. The pic above is from eddie marine and they state they are vented. Here is a pic of mine. Kind of confused.
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tjsperformance.com%2Fimages%2Fnordic75.jpg&hash=235816c2a55d041ae588fd1b4d0bd105029b2404)
Title: Re: Lets talk fuel fills...venting ?
Post by: TJS Nordic on March 30, 2008, 07:03:29 PM
there is also the possibility that your tanks have vents in them
Nope, no vents in these tanks. When I refurbed the boat I cleaned them and there is only a feed with the tube that acts as a pick-up. What I really want to do is take the tanks out again and cut the small feed set up out (ala hole saw) then make a round plate that will have a -10AN fitting welded to it with a larger pickup tube to match. Along with that I would also weld in a 1/4" npt bung to the round plate and then weld the round plate to the tank where the original stuff was. Sounds like a lot of work but all good in the long run.
T.J.
Title: Re: Lets talk fuel fills...venting ?
Post by: Blue on March 30, 2008, 07:07:31 PM
Hey TJS I think I stubled on your websight with your boat rebuild. Post it up for others to see very cool indeed.
Title: Re: Lets talk fuel fills...venting ?
Post by: TJS Nordic on March 30, 2008, 07:15:38 PM
Hey TJS I think I stubled on your websight with your boat rebuild. Post it up for others to see very cool indeed.

Thanks Blue. I will but my hunk of crap hosting company is junk. It is down again. I will post it when it comes back up.
T.J.
Ok it is back up now. Make sure you visit both pages. I have tons more pics but I am too lazy to keep on creating more pages right now.

http://www.tjsperformance.com/jetboat_tech.htm

Title: Re: Lets talk fuel fills...venting ?
Post by: Oldsquirt on March 30, 2008, 07:32:09 PM
Those flip-top fills generally vent by way of the loose fit of the rubber seal around the center post of the cap. The holes you added were most likely unnecessary.
Title: Re: Lets talk fuel fills...venting ?
Post by: 76NORDIC on March 30, 2008, 08:03:22 PM
I agree with oldsquirt, that is where they vent, the extra holes were not needed    Mark
Title: Re: Lets talk fuel fills...venting ?
Post by: gregb on March 30, 2008, 08:49:25 PM
They're vented like a radiator cap, that metal disk in the middle of the rubber is spring loaded and can move down a little allowing air in, and extra pressure from expansion just vents around the rubber seal. 
Title: Re: Lets talk fuel fills...venting ?
Post by: TIMINATOR on March 30, 2008, 10:22:19 PM
With the stock as installed engines (around 300-330 HP)the venting thru the filler is fine, with higher H.P. an external vent is needed. Not sure? make a speed run with the tanks near full and note the speed and fuel pressure (install a temporary gauge if you need to), then unlatch the filler and do it again, be careful, don't try this in rough water, and don't forget to relatch the cap. No speed or pressure change and you are good to go, if there is a change, add the vent. Coast guard regs call for a 5/8" hose and vent with a screened opening. Kind of overkill unless you have 1500 HP or so.....  But it does make the tanks easier to fill with an auto shutoff nozzle at the gas station, especially if your fill hose to the tank is long or at an angle.  TIMINATOR
Title: Re: Lets talk fuel fills...venting ?
Post by: TJS Nordic on March 31, 2008, 05:44:50 AM
Thanks for the explaination Timm. I think I am going to go the route of making plates with the welded bungs and such. Thanks again.
  T.J.
Title: Re: Lets talk fuel fills...venting ?
Post by: speedymopars on April 06, 2008, 07:47:22 AM
On my boat I had those same fills, and external vents that dump outside the hull.
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