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Squirrel Master

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« on: October 06, 2012, 11:07:56 PM »
ok so I have a 460 engine dove block that I swapped out a new block and I tried to use old distributor, it was very hard to make the distributor seat, we bumped the engine over and over and it finally settled but it had a wobble when engine ran. You could see my build thread. http://www.socaljetboats.com/projects/78-sleekcraft-kauai-bbf-new-life/msg187524/?topicseen#new
When I went to remove distributor, because of wobble, it wouldnt come out. I ended up breaking the distrubutor from the shaft to get it out. When looking down in to the gear it seemed like the gear was underneath the cam, shouldnt it ride even with cam.
Now heres my thought, the drive line for the oil pump that I used was in the dooley kit for the high volume oil pan I picked up used from another member. The original drive shaft for the pump has flat ends and the dooley has tapered ends but rods are both equal distance end to end. Is the tapered one I got in the dooley set up wrong and will it allow my distributor to sink further in than it should because if inside the pump and distributor has a spot for the shaft to rest or stop itself and the original being flat and the dooley being tapered am I losing distance for where my gear rides. Or did the f'ing retards who beat the shit out of this poor boat have the wrong distributor or the wrong gear on the HEI. Help or thoughts would be most valuable here.
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flytime

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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2012, 07:48:23 AM »
Get ahold of Ralph Brunt on the boards here. He's your man!!!
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berkbryan

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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2012, 08:06:01 AM »
Do you have a roller cam or flat tappet
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2012, 09:29:22 AM »
ok so I have a 460 engine dove block that I swapped out a new block and I tried to use old distributor, it was very hard to make the distributor seat, we bumped the engine over and over and it finally settled but it had a wobble when engine ran. You could see my build thread.

When I went to remove distributor, because of wobble, it wouldnt come out. I ended up breaking the distrubutor from the shaft to get it out. When looking down in to the gear it seemed like the gear was underneath the cam, shouldnt it ride even with cam.

Now heres my thought, the drive line for the oil pump that I used was in the dooley kit for the high volume oil pan I picked up used from another member. The original drive shaft for the pump has flat ends and the dooley has tapered ends but rods are both equal distance end to end. Is the tapered one I got in the dooley set up wrong and will it allow my distributor to sink further in than it should because if inside the pump and distributor has a spot for the shaft to rest or stop itself and the original being flat and the dooley being tapered am I losing distance for where my gear rides. Or did the f'ing retards who beat the shit out of this poor boat have the wrong distributor or the wrong gear on the HEI. Help or thoughts would be most valuable here.
The depth at which the distributor rests in the cylinder block has nothing to do with the oil pump drive shaft's design or overall length. Depth is set by where the desitributor housing sits at the top of the cylinder block and by the thrust boss in the block (the pad where the distributor drive gear rests). The dimension between the housing and the thrust boss is critical; Ford's nominal dimension being 4.031"-4.038".  If the distributor gear thrust clearance is set incorrectly/too long, it will chew up the thrust boss in the cylinder block and the lower gear will ride low. I am not saying that this is the issue with your engine, but it's easy enough to get a look at (with a flashlight) while the entire distributor is outside of the block.  Frankly it sounds more like parts were forced together when they were not mating effortlessly and something got messed up as a result.

If the lower gear is still stuck in the engine, then it might be necessary to remove the front cover and timing chain in order to access the lower gear and get it out.

LO
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2012, 10:35:26 AM »

If the lower gear is still stuck in the engine, then it might be necessary to remove the front cover and timing chain in order to access the lower gear and get it out.

LO
i think i would do this any way so i could see what is going on,
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Squirrel Master

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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2012, 12:01:14 PM »
thank you guys ordering new dissy and found this to read since u taught me proper lingo and process if anyone has had this problem or sheared a gear also
http://home.earthlink.net/~highflowdynamics/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/dizgrjet9ba.jpg

 cant get dui til 10/17 dont want to wait how bout these
http://www.jegs.com/i/Proform/778/66980BK/10002/-1?parentProductId=746781
http://www.jegs.com/i/Mallory/650/8556701C/10002/-1?parentProductId=
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-850026/
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2012, 01:38:23 AM »
I agree with Ralph. I'd be looking everywhere I could to make sure it was a dizzy problem and not something else causing it.

Food for thought, when I first started messing around with BBF's (That's F for "Fords" not "Females"......) I had a couple dizzys around and ran into this little gem on a Comp9000 dizzy that came out of the dissassembled boat I was working on.



Now, both dizzies were for 351C, 400m, 429/460, but why the different gears? Nobody knows. Still have that dizzy, and never seen anything again like it after, but COULD be what you are dealing with..........

Ray
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LakesOnly

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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2012, 08:56:07 AM »
The gear on the left is for the bigger Ford engine, the gear on the right is for the smaller Ford engine. Other than that the distributors are internchangeable between the two engines (just add the specific gear for the engine in which it will be used).

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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2012, 11:01:16 AM »
thank you guys i just ordered a mallory for now the 85 series should be here tomorrow
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