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Small backfire
« on: June 25, 2014, 03:26:42 PM »
I have a small backfire at idle only out of 1 side of the engine when I Rev it it goes away what would cause this

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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2014, 05:57:27 PM »
Popping through the carburetor or the exhaust?

There are numerous potential causes to a back fire.

Ignition secondary cross talk (arcing in the cap).

Lean miss,

Sticking valve,

Mis. adjusted valves,

Exhaust leak,

Vacuum leak,

Ignition primary issue,

Bent valve,

Cracked valve seat,

Blown head gasket between cylinders,


First thing to, which has zero costs associated, is to do a compression check, be sure this is done with the carburetor full open, no spark.

Second thing to do is a complete ignition system check, plug gap to cap condition.

Third thing is to run it and do a spray test with some carb cleaner looking for a vacuum leak.

Fourth is look for a cracked/leaking header pipe,

Beyond that, I got little/nothing.

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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2014, 06:23:28 PM »
Popping through the carburetor or the exhaust?

There are numerous potential causes to a back fire.

Ignition secondary cross talk (arcing in the cap).

Lean miss,

Sticking valve,

Mis. adjusted valves,

Exhaust leak,

Vacuum leak,

Ignition primary issue,

Bent valve,

Cracked valve seat,

Blown head gasket between cylinders,


First thing to, which has zero costs associated, is to do a compression check, be sure this is done with the carburetor full open, no spark.

Second thing to do is a complete ignition system check, plug gap to cap condition.

Third thing is to run it and do a spray test with some carb cleaner looking for a vacuum leak.

Fourth is look for a cracked/leaking header pipe,

Beyond that, I got little/nothing.

GT
exhaust and only at idle I did a compression check 125 on all 4 cylinders pulled valve cover don't see anything wrong

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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2014, 06:36:50 PM »
I did put a new bowl on 1 of my carbs and then it started popping out the exhaust

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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2014, 06:42:26 PM »
I did put a new bowl on 1 of my carbs and then it started popping out the exhaust

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So it didn't pop before the new bowl?

Lean pop.

Find the plugged port in the metering block or put the correct gaskets on and you should be GTG...

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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2014, 06:54:37 PM »
So it didn't pop before the new bowl?

Lean pop.

Find the plugged port in the metering block or put the correct gaskets on and you should be GTG...

GT
thanks I will try that

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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2014, 07:55:39 PM »
Well found the problem removed rocker arms so valves were completely closed put 30 psi of air to each cylinder and on # 2 air was just blowing out the exhaust so burnt or bent valve

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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2014, 07:59:03 PM »
Well there you go... That sucks butt hairs..

Guess what kills exhaust valves?

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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2014, 08:17:54 PM »
I know I know I know!!!!!


Lean condition!!!!


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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2014, 08:22:07 PM »
I know I know I know!!!!!


Lean condition!!!!


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What else????;)
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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2014, 10:11:46 PM »

Well found the problem removed rocker arms so valves were completely closed put 30 psi of air to each cylinder and on # 2 air was just blowing out the exhaust so burnt or bent valve

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Then how did that cylinder make 125psi during your compression test?
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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2014, 10:13:22 PM »
Then how did that cylinder make 125psi during your compression test?
my compression tester has a Schrader valve

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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2014, 10:15:59 PM »
What else????;)
would having the timing to advanced do it

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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2014, 10:22:13 PM »
Rerversion.........

Your compression tester needs to be replaced.  ;)
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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2014, 07:22:40 AM »

Rerversion.........

Your compression tester needs to be replaced.  ;)

Funny you bring this up GT, you scared me out of running wet headers when I was putting my motor together. so I ceramic coated them and sealed them up lol.


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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2014, 07:28:56 AM »
What else????;)

HMMM now your taking me back to my mechanic days!!!

Well lets see,

   Valve margin to thin

   valve seat cut to deep
 
   sticking valve

   I think thats about it.

 I have a set of Ka heads if that would help you out. they need to be cleaned up but are complete .
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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2014, 07:48:02 AM »
Funny you bring this up GT, you scared me out of running wet headers when I was putting my motor together. so I ceramic coated them and sealed them up lol.


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Did you weld the weap holes closed?


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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2014, 08:18:34 AM »
HMMM now your taking me back to my mechanic days!!!

Well lets see,

   Valve margin to thin

   valve seat cut to deep
 
   sticking valve

   I think thats about it.

 I have a set of Ka heads if that would help you out. they need to be cleaned up but are complete .
thanks for the offer but I have a Ford 460

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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2014, 08:19:36 AM »
Did you weld the weap holes closed?


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no I did not

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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2014, 08:28:21 AM »
no I did not

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Did you cap the water lines at least?

Cold air can suck right in at lower engine speeds.

Almost sounds like a guide issue, tight guides will do weird stuff.

Get it pulled apart so we can conduct a forensic discussion...

Sorry for the woes.

GT
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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2014, 08:30:59 AM »
Did you cap the water lines at least?

Cold air can suck right in at lower engine speeds.

Almost sounds like a guide issue, tight guides will do weird stuff.

Get it pulled apart so we can conduct a forensic discussion...

Sorry for the woes.

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no I did not I will get it pulled apart ASAP boats the never ending projects lol

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Re: Small backfire
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2014, 08:56:45 AM »

Did you weld the weap holes closed?


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Brass plugs for now. Always a pain since I have to retighten them every day I go out


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