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spark plug gapping
« on: April 02, 2009, 08:13:31 PM »
anyone know the spark plug gapping for a 460? 
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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2009, 08:20:46 PM »
Points, or electronic? 25 ish for points 40-45 ish for electronic. :P
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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2009, 08:38:39 PM »
Points, or electronic? 25 ish for points 40-45 ish for electronic. :P
.035 points and correctly put by Kreg 45 on "elect"
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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2009, 08:55:09 PM »
40-45 ? YIKES! I gap mine @ 35 that's with an electronic Mallory dizzy and powermaster coil, matter of fact I've always set plugs from 32 to 35
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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2009, 09:01:17 PM »
40-45 ? YIKES! I gap mine @ 35 that's with an electronic Mallory dizzy and powermaster coil, matter of fact I've always set plugs from 32 to 35

Yeah, well your doing it wrong :D The only time you need to gap them less on a HEI is on a Turbo/Blown application where cylinder pressures can actually "snuff out" the spark.. :sly:

.045 is a very typical plug gap on an HEI sytem (50K-75K volts) as far as naturally asperated.

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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2009, 09:02:42 PM »
thanks guys.  If it wasnt for this site and your guys' help i would be lost
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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2009, 09:03:58 PM »
Hey ,Hey  heeeeeyyy. I said, ish, lol... Fwiw I gap my HEI(electroic ign.) plugs at .040. I haven't had a set of points for a loooong time. And I've never owned a ferd. Just tryin to give him a ballpark.
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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2009, 09:06:18 PM »
 So what is it the smaller the gap the hotter it burns so gap at 45 it burns cooler is that what I'm hearing and no affect on starting ? talk to me, my plugs also are at 35
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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2009, 09:11:35 PM »
Ok, so explain your theory on .045 to me, what is the advantage/disadvantage? I'm open minded enough to change if there's good reason to.
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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2009, 09:15:42 PM »
So what is it the smaller the gap the hotter it burns so gap at 45 it run cooler it that what I'm hearing and no affect on starting ? talk to me


It sort of odd, the farther the spark has to travel, the more voltage is required (fun fact, air ionizes at 75,000 volt per inch. at 14.7 PSIA) ionizes means you can see electricity...The higher the pressure, the harder it is to "jump" the gap, pretty much the principle of a light bulb...

The smaller the gap the less intense of a spark but more stable and much harder to "snuff out" thus making it the shizzle for blown applications, you can run a hotter plug (less resistance) and a smaller gap and achieve the same net spark.

My God I have a bunch of worthless shiat rumbling around in my head. :screwy:

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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2009, 09:23:54 PM »
 Is all that in your head are did you just read that some where Thanks

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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2009, 09:25:00 PM »
Is all that in your head are did you just read that some where Thanks

Unfortunately I just blew that out of my ass..... :sly:

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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2009, 09:30:12 PM »
Unfortunately I just blew that out of my ass..... :sly:

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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2009, 09:30:39 PM »
Found this little tidbit;

OPENING THE SPARK PLUG GAP:

For as long as engine builders and racers have been tuning engines there has been talk of enlarged or modified spark plug gaps. The theory is that by opening the gap that you increase the spark kernel, thus improving flame propagation (complete burn across the entire area of the piston), and increasing performance output of the engine. Well, I can say that it does work, but I can also say that it does not work. The explanation for this is that on some applications you will see gains, on others you won't. In some cases you may actually lose performance by opening the plug gap.

On weaker, or stock ignitions, opening the gap puts added strain on the other ignition components in the system. On race ignition systems you are already taking advantage of the output of the ignition box, extended spark duration, and more efficient energy transfer. The only honest way to discuss modifying the plug gap is to experiment on your individual application. You'll either see a benefit, or you won't. Spark plugs gaps are a trial and error type of science when you deviate from the manufacturer recommended settings. If you increase the gap at 0.001" - 0.002" steps and you get to a point where you lose power you will need to close the gap up 0.002"-0.003" to be at the optimum gap. This is what you need to think about:

The ignition coil may not have enough stored energy to fire, or in the least case, not enough energy by the time it gets to the plug to be able to jump the gap.
Plug wire leads will break down at a faster rate due to the added resistance as the spark tries to reach ground.
Rotor, distributor cap, points/condenser (if using an antiquated breaker point distributor), and the center carbon in the distributor cap will show early failures.
The chance of spark scatter in the distributor cap increases.
All of this occurs because the greater the gap, the higher the voltage requirement necessary to get through the components to jump the gap. The harder these components have to work, the shorter their life span. As a side note, on aftermarket, and high performance rotors the tip is a bit longer to control spark scatter on higher output ignitions.
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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2009, 09:51:33 PM »
Found this little tidbit;

OPENING THE SPARK PLUG GAP:

For as long as engine builders and racers have been tuning engines there has been talk of enlarged or modified spark plug gaps. The theory is that by opening the gap that you increase the spark kernel, thus improving flame propagation (complete burn across the entire area of the piston), and increasing performance output of the engine. Well, I can say that it does work, but I can also say that it does not work. The explanation for this is that on some applications you will see gains, on others you won't. In some cases you may actually lose performance by opening the plug gap.

On weaker, or stock ignitions, opening the gap puts added strain on the other ignition components in the system. On race ignition systems you are already taking advantage of the output of the ignition box, extended spark duration, and more efficient energy transfer. The only honest way to discuss modifying the plug gap is to experiment on your individual application. You'll either see a benefit, or you won't. Spark plugs gaps are a trial and error type of science when you deviate from the manufacturer recommended settings. If you increase the gap at 0.001" - 0.002" steps and you get to a point where you lose power you will need to close the gap up 0.002"-0.003" to be at the optimum gap. This is what you need to think about:

The ignition coil may not have enough stored energy to fire, or in the least case, not enough energy by the time it gets to the plug to be able to jump the gap.
Plug wire leads will break down at a faster rate due to the added resistance as the spark tries to reach ground.
Rotor, distributor cap, points/condenser (if using an antiquated breaker point distributor), and the center carbon in the distributor cap will show early failures.
The chance of spark scatter in the distributor cap increases.
All of this occurs because the greater the gap, the higher the voltage requirement necessary to get through the components to jump the gap. The harder these components have to work, the shorter their life span. As a side note, on aftermarket, and high performance rotors the tip is a bit longer to control spark scatter on higher output ignitions.


I would have a difficult time arguing with anything in that......However, with the advances of ignition systems in the last several years, the sign wave has gone way more "digital" compared to the old points and CD type ignitions, the cleaner we can "switch" the voltage on and off the better control over the dwell (the time in which the coil reaches it saturation point) thus giving more fire in the hole so to speak...

I was a driveability tech for a Chevy dealer and after that a Chrysler dealer, the most common causes of a "miss" were worn plugs or "Speedy lube" type tune ups (no offense anyone) that had the plugs misgapped, that being said, it is probably more important to have the plugs gapped the same than the gap itself, on an MSD full on digital ignition system on a 10.5:1 468" Chevy, I go in at .040", never really deviated from it and never had issues, the race boat with 11:1 compression, wilder cam and overcarbed, we ran it at .038", just because the dyno told us to...

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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2009, 09:57:09 PM »
BTW Skippy....OEM spark plug gap on a 454 HEI truck is....wait for it......   .045"   ::)

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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2009, 10:11:51 PM »
BTW Skippy....OEM spark plug gap on a 454 HEI truck is....wait for it......   .045"   ::)

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Not doubting you Glen, just always have set them @ 35 thou.  Mine are currently at 35 thou, no missing, no burping, no nada, just runs good.
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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2009, 10:19:51 PM »
Not doubting you Glen, just always have set them @ 35 thou.  Mine are currently at 35 thou, no missing, no burping, no nada, just runs good.

It will run good at .035", not a problem Skip, the difference more than likely will not be felt by the Ass-o-nometer, quicker starts and better throttle response could be realized however.

If it works, do not fix it, that's how I roll.  ;)

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Re: spark plug gapping
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2009, 05:47:37 AM »
A little more added info... The stock plug gap on the newer 8.1L BBC used in the motorhome chassis' is .060.  A shop we deal with up north has done extensive chassis dyno testing on motorhomes with this engine and found that there is a significant increase in power by reducing the gap to .045 and installing a premium set of ignition wires (we use the Taylor Extremes).
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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2009, 06:48:16 AM »

 (fun fact, air ionizes at 75,000 volt per inch. at 14.7 PSIA)

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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2009, 09:45:49 AM »
I had this same argument when I put togeather my last motor. So I called MSD (since I was running all MSD) and asked them , they told me to gap them at .050 so I did and never had a problem.
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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2009, 10:24:43 AM »
.018-.020    :o
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