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Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« on: May 15, 2013, 09:45:42 pm »
I have both a regulator and a gate valve and don't know why.  Seems redundant.  Anyone know why?  Here is a pic:
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2013, 09:52:46 pm »
I have both a regulator and a gate valve and don't know why.  Seems redundant.  Anyone know why?  Here is a pic:


So when the regulator fails they can remove the spring and regulate water the right way????

I dunno, I'm just makin' sh!t up.

That looks like a problem looking for a way to screw you IMHO...

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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2013, 11:17:42 pm »
Oh dude, is that a shower arm coming off the pump? That set up screams "oh hell no". I like the overall idea and that's why I'm doing something similar but the way it's executed is no bueno.

 The excuses in my head as to why I like the idea.  A gate valve is basically a variable size valve that can be used to regulate flow although not its intended purpose in life. The control of the "flow" determines how much cold water is pushed into the block and how much exits. So bam! there's why the gate valve is there. Now the pressure relief is there just in case something, weather it be a kinked hose, blocked water passage or the fact that your pump is just that fu€king awesome and wants to force feed your engine till it starts puking water out of the intake from over pressurizing the cooling system and blowing sh!t apart.


Btw I see no regulator just a relief valve, a regulator regulates the water coming in, a relief valve releases excess pressure from a system, notice the brass t  runs from the pump to the motor and this relief is on top not in the way of the incoming flow.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2013, 11:22:42 pm by SoCalPSD »
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2013, 11:20:41 pm »
Oh dude, is that a shower arm coming off the pump? That set up screams "oh hell no". I like the overall idea and that's why I'm doing something similar but the way it's executed is no bueno.

 The excuses in my head as to why I like the idea.  A gate valve is basically a variable size valve that can be used to regulate flow although not its intended purpose in life. The control of the "flow" determines how much cold water is pushed into the block and how much exits. So bam! there's why the gate valve is there. Now the pressure release is there just in case something, weather it be a kinked hose, blocked water passage or the fact that your pump is just that ****!ing awesome and wants to force feed your engine till it starts puking water out of the intake from over pressurizing the system and blowing sh!t apart.


LMAO, that is an OEM Berkeley E or F pump, that is how the water line is set up from the factory... Too F-n funny...

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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2013, 11:25:59 pm »
Your lying  Glenn, that's a dam shower arm. I have 30 of the things on my truck hmmm and there chrome......anyone want a factory chrome Berkeley water nipple. I sell fo 5 dalla
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2013, 11:34:09 pm »
The pressure regulator can get rid of water spikes and surges. It's a good idea to run both.
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2013, 10:08:51 am »

LMAO, that is an OEM Berkeley E or F pump, that is how the water line is set up from the factory... Too F-n funny...

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Yep thats an E. 
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2013, 10:16:14 am »
Your lying  Glenn, that's a dam shower arm. I have 30 of the things on my truck hmmm and there chrome......anyone want a factory chrome Berkeley water nipple. I sell fo 5 dalla

LOL!  Here is the other side of my "shower arm".   
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2013, 10:18:46 am »

So when the regulator fails they can remove the spring and regulate water the right way????

I dunno, I'm just makin' sh!t up.

That looks like a problem looking for a way to screw you IMHO...

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Are you startin to see why I wanted to put in a water pressure gauge! LOL
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2013, 10:26:13 am »
Oh dude, is that a shower arm coming off the pump? That set up screams "oh hell no". I like the overall idea and that's why I'm doing something similar but the way it's executed is no bueno.

 The excuses in my head as to why I like the idea.  A gate valve is basically a variable size valve that can be used to regulate flow although not its intended purpose in life. The control of the "flow" determines how much cold water is pushed into the block and how much exits. So bam! there's why the gate valve is there. Now the pressure relief is there just in case something, weather it be a kinked hose, blocked water passage or the fact that your pump is just that fu€king awesome and wants to force feed your engine till it starts puking water out of the intake from over pressurizing the cooling system and blowing sh!t apart.


Btw I see no regulator just a relief valve, a regulator regulates the water coming in, a relief valve releases excess pressure from a system, notice the brass t  runs from the pump to the motor and this relief is on top not in the way of the incoming flow.

You bring up a good point.  I think guys use the term Regulator and Relief Valve interchangeably as if they are the same thing when in fact they are not.  Here is a pic of what I have and it is in fact, like you say, a Relief or "Dump Valve". 

http://www.watts.com/pages/_products_details.asp?pid=792
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2013, 10:29:52 am »
The pressure regulator can get rid of water spikes and surges. It's a good idea to run both.

Now thats an answer I like.  At least your not laughing your ass off at my setup like everyone else!  HA HA
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2013, 10:35:27 am »
Yah they get mixed up and it happens, I'm guilty of it to.


And dude, that's s long a$$ shower arm.


And Glenn I think I have the perfect solution to this whole Situation........a temp/pressure release valve from a water heater! BAM!  Run a straight hose from the pump to motor hell might as well use copper and hard pipe/sweat it in. Thread said t/p valve into the back of the intake manifold and poof perfection. It opens up at 160 degrees or 180 psi. ;) 

Problem solved. Done
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2013, 01:45:17 pm »


"And dude, that's s long a$$ shower arm."

Its made for midgets.

« Last Edit: May 16, 2013, 01:50:05 pm by fastnlight »
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2013, 03:24:41 pm »
I see now I should get one for my wife
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2014, 06:35:27 am »
SoCal  ... That is the funniest thing ive ever read. Funny funny funny. Im new to this site and I have been reading alot of posts just to have more info. 

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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2014, 07:04:00 am »
"You guys" is a vague and generalized term.
I don't call it a regulator.


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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2014, 02:36:11 pm »
"You guys" is a vague and generalized term.
I don't call it a regulator.


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that's because you call it a chingaderas

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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2014, 03:23:21 pm »
gate valve and regulator with a dump hose is the way it SHOULD be plumbed up.  looks like you also have a hose fitting for flushing as well.

leave it alone.
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2014, 03:25:27 pm »
It opens up at 160 degrees or 180 psi. ;) 

Problem solved. Done

id love to see your engine hold 180 psi...  :screwy:
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2014, 04:12:26 pm »
My e pump dosent even have a water regulator on it... should I put one on?

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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2014, 07:00:05 pm »
Love these threads
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2014, 07:13:04 pm »
id love to see your engine hold 180 psi...  :screwy:

Anywhere.....  :sly:
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2014, 10:37:55 pm »
Wheres your sense of living on the edge? Run that shit straight into the block ....no gate....no regulator.  :screwy:

though its not the way i suggest anyone doing it, but its how the ultra is set up. During my slam session to get it back together, i just thought "well, its worked this long"....shrugged my shoulders and carried on.
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2014, 11:31:46 pm »
Hell yeah. Wide open full flow into block Braaaap.  Bang.

Or go air cooled
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Re: Regulator and gate valve...Why both?
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2014, 11:34:13 pm »
Wheres your sense of living on the edge? Run that shit straight into the block ....no gate....no regulator.  :screwy:

though its not the way i suggest anyone doing it, but its how the ultra is set up. During my slam session to get it back together, i just thought "well, its worked this long"....shrugged my shoulders and carried on.

By any stretch of possibility, is it possible it still has the Berkeley nipple in the suction piece of the pump with the 1/4" hole?

Almost betting it does. In which case, it will work great.

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