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enginedoctor

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Re: The "Where's Waldo" of Oil Pressure problems!!
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2010, 12:00:32 AM »
LOL, Actually, I was gonna call ya as soon as I saw all this. Then the beer drinking started. Didn't wanna bug ya on a weekend. I'll call ya in the morning. I kinda got an idea what you're going to tell me, and I'm sure I dun wanna hear that either, lol.   :thumbup:

Ray


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Re: The "Where's Waldo" of Oil Pressure problems!!
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2010, 01:16:02 AM »
Nope Ray..... you Got multiple  issues  here, just learned to be careful as voicing my opinion on this site.

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WTF is that shit.... I thought this was the tech section? so we all could LEARN what to do or not do with our engines?? I wanna know what let go...
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Re: The "Where's Waldo" of Oil Pressure problems!!
« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2010, 07:27:23 AM »
WTF is that shit.... I thought this was the tech section? so we all could LEARN what to do or not do with our engines?? I wanna know what let go...

And you will. It should be pretty apparent once it's completely torn down and the major components go through their checks, methinks.

As it stands, it is unknown, just suspicions and speculation. Obviously, since that cam rust must have been an ongoing issue in there (Still trying to wrap my head around the cause of that part), contamination was probably a huge factor. Maintenance is another, since the boat sits for extended periods while I play around with another, I should have been fogging and "winterizing" the thing regularly.

I'm not sure anything "let go" just yet, other than the exhaust pushrod. Could just be a bunch of little things that started the day I built it. The bent intake push rod is a direct result from that. Cylinder full of burnt gasses with nowhere to go and under pressure, voila! The number three connecting rod is probably bent as well I would imagine. (#2, #6 and #5 seem to have the worst of the spun bearings)

If it hadn't been for the pushrod breaking, I wouldn'ta ever seen what was going on in there, and 1 more blast upriver last saturday my engine would have looked as bad or worse than Rivertards...... ;D

I'll keep posting ugly pics as i get a chance...........Now who's got a BBF Blower manifold laying around..... :sly:

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Re: The "Where's Waldo" of Oil Pressure problems!!
« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2010, 09:45:31 AM »
At Temple Bar 1.0 you milkshaked it really good? Twice?

and if I remember it was a lot of water? (Could that of been the introduction of water to the engine?)

Also, after the TP didnt you find an intake manifold leak? (A constant amount of water being placed in the engine?)

Could it just had been a combination of events that when combined with lack of "winterizing" (due to the amount of time it would sit), Not enough spring pressure, rust from the previous water issue (till you fixed after the TP weekend) all slowly compounding to a massive issue?

Just a slow motion chain reaction?
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Re: The "Where's Waldo" of Oil Pressure problems!!
« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2010, 09:46:43 AM »
Two pushrods on same hole = water in cylinders,

With as much water damage that I see in the motor, this has been going on from day 1...

Just my .02c and can't wait to see the heads removed...

Sorry for the poopy luck Ray, maybe it is good you have  an entire fleet.  :screwy:

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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
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Re: The "Where's Waldo" of Oil Pressure problems!!
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2010, 09:47:28 AM »
At Temple Bar 1.0 you milkshaked it really good? Twice?

and if I remember it was a lot of water? (Could that of been the introduction of water to the engine?)

Also, after the TP didnt you find an intake manifold leak? (A constant amount of water being placed in the engine?)

Could it just had been a combination of events that when combined with lack of "winterizing" (due to the amount of time it would sit), Not enough spring pressure, rust from the previous water issue (till you fixed after the TP weekend) all slowly compounding to a massive issue?

Just a slow motion chain reaction?


LOL, yeah, what he said... :thumbup:
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Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: The "Where's Waldo" of Oil Pressure problems!!
« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2010, 10:22:27 AM »
Nope Ray..... you Got multiple  issues  here, just learned to be careful as voicing my opinion on this site.

**************feel free to pm or call************

562-943-5679.

What an absolute load of shit!  :thumbdown: If I recall, the thread you're referring to was the one about valve lash adjustment. Rather than take the time to explain your method, to share with the community, you posted something to the effect that if we wanted to know your method it would be the standard SCJB $50. I don't know if that was meant to be a joke, I assumed it was. In any case, this site is like a big ass garage, we all share what we know and we learn from one another, taking it off board via PM's and phone calls is complete and total BULLSHIT. It's not just you, there are others that are always "happy to help, just give us a call" I've bitten my tongue more than I can stand on this matter, sorry if you feel like I'm singling you out, I'm not.

And as I've said before, THANK YOU for all the help you've given me in the past, and THANK YOU to all those who share their knowledge here so that we can all learn something.

Off my soapbox now

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Re: The "Where's Waldo" of Oil Pressure problems!!
« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2010, 12:11:03 PM »
It's all good guys! Will get the heads ripped off tonight and see. Very well could have started with the Mead Milkshake, who knows. It's all a learning experience.  :thumbup: Only milkshaked it once there, and it was changed out in about an hour after it happened. Didn't have an issue with it again all last year. Only reared it's ugly head after the Tom Papp memorial.

We'll get it. GT could be right, cylinder full of water, but bores look ok from the bottom. We'll see what they look like from the top

Ray
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Re: The "Where's Waldo" of Oil Pressure problems!!
« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2010, 08:04:13 PM »
Total B/S Skip!.....Great post., show's "Team work"  :thumbup:
Now play nice... :P
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Re: The "Where's Waldo" of Oil Pressure problems!!
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2010, 08:11:51 PM »
Total B/S Skip!.....Great post., show's "Team work"  :thumbup:
Now play nice... :P


You're right Dave, I'm sorry 'bout the rant, it was early, I was cranky. I'll play nice now, I promise.
We're good man, you're a top shelf kind of guy.
 
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Re: The "Where's Waldo" of Oil Pressure problems!!
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2010, 09:48:01 PM »
OK, heres the latest pics. this is the affected side, 1, 2, 3, and 4. The head is in that order, left to right, the block pics right to left. I included head gasket pics as well. Probably shoulda took pics of the spark plugs, but they look as normal as they always did, just a tad on the blackish side from being a bit rich. The cylinder is #1. Exhaust valves are the only things different, but then, #3 wasn't running either...... :screwy:







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enginedoctor

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Re: The "Where's Waldo" of Oil Pressure problems!!
« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2010, 10:45:40 PM »
Hey Ray;

1. Gaskets look pretty bad...check mating surfaces with straight edge too.
    Firing rings on gaskets dont look cool either.

2. The one head  is more than likely cracked in that one chamber...Press Check them! Press. check block too!

For sure , as we discussed last nite, you've been taking on water/Lube problem. Get through the basic inspection first.
Just my thoughts....With any luck you will only need the basics,replace some rods,hone , re-ring,bearings,and tittie pink paint.
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Re: The "Where's Waldo" of Oil Pressure problems!!
« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2010, 11:09:34 PM »
Hey Ray;

1. Gaskets look pretty bad...check mating surfaces with straight edge too.
    Firing rings on gaskets dont look cool either.

2. The one head  is more than likely cracked in that one chamber...Press Check them! Press. check block too!

For sure , as we discussed last nite, you've been taking on water/Lube problem. Get through the basic inspection first.
Just my thoughts....With any luck you will only need the basics,replace some rods,hone , re-ring,bearings,and tittie pink paint.

Yeah, the head scares me a little, but it looks worse in the pic than in person. Have to remember #3 wasn't running in the end either. They will be checked out, but those heads are NOT going back onto this. Ralph convinced me they were too rare and sought after to run them the way I run things.... :screwy: If they check out, I'll sell them off to someone building a street machine who needs ported D2OE heads. Looking at aluminums right now, but I think I can get C9 heads to perform as well. Obviously, the cam is trash, but it needed something a little more anyway.. >:D

I was releived to see the bores/pistons in pretty good shape. Gives me some hope for the block. Got spare cranks and rods here, so no worries on that end of it. Probably should look into better rods than factory though. I'll get the other head off tomorrow and see where I'm at. spent over an hour trying to find my balancer puller to no avail.........musta loaned it out and it ain't back yet......... :sly:

Thanks Bro! Phone calls will not stop until this thing is alive again!  :thumbup:

Ray

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