Post by: Johnnyairtime on August 03, 2020, 08:49:30 AM
New user here.
Not new to boats, but haven't had one for a long while.
A buddy, has an older 21ft open bow with a Ford 460 powerplant. He recently bought the boat from a previous 30yr owner. Apparently, it's hurt and either needs a complete rebuild or a swap.
Because I'm thinking of purchasing the boat... I thought to come here and ask;
What's the average expected cost to rebuild a 460?
(including pulling the motor, rebuilding, reinstalling etc)
Would it be beneficial 'at this time' to swap the 460, to a 454?
(not because of brand loyalty, more HP, etc. but for future parts/rebuild costs and availability)
Who would YOU call in the San Diego County area for such work to be performed?
... I'm at a loss for reputable shops or mechanics these days, and don't need a problem child boat once repaired.
ANY help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!!
Post by: TrollerDave on August 03, 2020, 02:53:53 PM
Hola folks...As far as a reputable engine builder, Bostick is your man in San Diego.
New user here.
Not new to boats, but haven't had one for a long while.
A buddy, has an older 21ft open bow with a Ford 460 powerplant. He recently bought the boat from a previous 30yr owner. Apparently, it's hurt and either needs a complete rebuild or a swap.
Because I'm thinking of purchasing the boat... I thought to come here and ask;
What's the average expected cost to rebuild a 460?
(including pulling the motor, rebuilding, reinstalling etc)
Would it be beneficial 'at this time' to swap the 460, to a 454?
(not because of brand loyalty, more HP, etc. but for future parts/rebuild costs and availability)
Who would YOU call in the San Diego County area for such work to be performed?
... I'm at a loss for reputable shops or mechanics these days, and don't need a problem child boat once repaired.
ANY help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!!
https://m.facebook.com/bostickracingengines/about/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav=0
A Ford is just as good as a Chevy. But, parts are easier to find for a Chevy, especially if you’re trying to stay on a budget. Ford stuff is out there, Chevy is just more abundant.
If you wanted to swap to a Chevy, be prepared. New mounts, exhaust. The fit will be an issue as well as far as thru-transom exhaust goes. Does it have the jump seats next to the engine? That might be an issue also.
There was an article in HotBoat magazine about repowering an Olds boat with a Chevy or Ford and these were some of the issues brought up. I’ll see if I can find it.
Oh yeah, Welcome to SCJB.
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Post by: Johnnyairtime on August 04, 2020, 07:27:04 AM
I'll call Bostick today.
I called JP Marine yesterday, and was a bit surprised at the "rebuild cost" example he gave me. Sounded pretty high.
I also went and looked at the boat. NICE boat for it's age, and would be a good buy if the rebuild or replacement didn't kill the budget.
... so, is there a reason a 'crate motor' wouldn't be a good idea?! I see them all day long for $3k or under. I'd assume, a marine 460 build is much different than a crate motor? ... sorry for the ignorance, just not too saavy when it comes to this topic.
And no... no jump seats to the backsides of the engine. It's actually a back bench and a flat covered motor compartment. Think; mini day cruiser style. The lower hull is deep enough that the motor cover is flat. Love it that way, for clean lines. My old Warlock 21ft open bow was the same and how I prefer it. The deeper hull seems to ride nice and not porpoise as bad than my old 19ft bubble deck. ... but, that's another topic. ;)
Post by: Johnnyairtime on August 04, 2020, 07:29:59 AM
Post by: FordLover on August 04, 2020, 10:34:14 AM
Crate motors can be pretty awesome, especially if you have all the parts to make it a complete engine. My Ford 521 short block was 3500(6 years ago). Had it set up for marine application. Took 2 to 3 months but it was worth it. Fired right up and ran amazing.
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Post by: Johnnyairtime on August 04, 2020, 11:16:03 AM
I'd assume, everything currently bolted to the 'tired' motor... would bolt to the crate motor.
... would that be a correct assumption? Or, would I have to worry about year of the motor, etc for fitment of accessories etc?
And... are all 'crate' motors the same? Meaning, one supplier... the same as the other? Or, some to stay away from... or, the GO TO that I need to buy from?
Lastly... you say; "Had it setup for marine application". When you ordered it, or...? And, what changed from a 'crate' motor to suit it for 'marine application'? .... More info would be helpful.
Post by: FordLover on August 05, 2020, 11:28:16 AM
Because the motor, is already FORD...Yes, I was able to reuse a lot of stuff, quick example......exhaust, distributor, starter, front cover, all the hoses, the carbs and intake, oil pan, roller rockers, bell housing, etc etc. The heads I decided to go a different direction but you may be able to use those too. Depending on the condition and model.
I'd assume, everything currently bolted to the 'tired' motor... would bolt to the crate motor.
... would that be a correct assumption? Or, would I have to worry about year of the motor, etc for fitment of accessories etc?
And... are all 'crate' motors the same? Meaning, one supplier... the same as the other? Or, some to stay away from... or, the GO TO that I need to buy from?
Lastly... you say; "Had it setup for marine application". When you ordered it, or...? And, what changed from a 'crate' motor to suit it for 'marine application'? .... More info would be helpful.
Here is a great link shared by flusher about compression ratio. Which will give you and idea of what you can do with certain heads/pistons/block.
https://youtu.be/5qH_ThYLD6Q
The marine clearances has been talked about a lot. The search function isnt working for me right now. When it does ill send a link.
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Post by: gsmitty on August 05, 2020, 02:46:16 PM
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Post by: Johnnyairtime on August 06, 2020, 09:19:20 AM
I bought a create motor from summit and just put my pan and intake on it and has been all good so far. Also gets sent right to your house and comes with 18 month warranty
Yup... that's from ATK?
I also looked into one from Michigan Motorz...
BUT, nobody has one available and all are on a 2 month or more wait time to get one in.
Post by: FordLover on August 07, 2020, 07:26:01 AM
Yup... that's from ATK?This is who I used.
I also looked into one from Michigan Motorz...
BUT, nobody has one available and all are on a 2 month or more wait time to get one in.
https://www.coasthigh.com/short-blocks-s/12.htm
Worked out better than I expected. But like I said I had to weight a couple months.
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Post by: Johnnyairtime on August 07, 2020, 07:41:04 AM
This is who I used.
https://www.coasthigh.com/short-blocks-s/12.htm
Worked out better than I expected. But like I said I had to weight a couple months.
Thanks, I've sent them a message off of their Facebook page.
I'll follow up with their customer-service emails from the webpage and see what they have to offer as a solution.
I now have the boat in my posession... for evaluation, and to see if it's worth the purchase.
Post by: FordLover on August 07, 2020, 10:27:46 AM
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