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Tech Talk => Engine Mechanical / Electrical => Topic started by: chaosmotox on June 05, 2014, 02:41:15 PM

Title: Water in oil
Post by: chaosmotox on June 05, 2014, 02:41:15 PM
Fresh motor got water in the oil. I hope it's just from the headers. Think I'm gonna run them dry.


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: berkbryan on June 05, 2014, 03:18:55 PM
That happened to me and it was my timing chain cover

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: jamiemwedmore1234 on June 05, 2014, 04:10:03 PM
My money says intake gasket


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: Cliffjumper on June 05, 2014, 04:15:27 PM
Intake or head gasket. But most likely intake going through that on my boat. But just found out its the head gaskets

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: MorePower on June 05, 2014, 04:18:19 PM
Who did your machine work?


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: chaosmotox on June 05, 2014, 04:46:33 PM
Bought the motor already put together. I think it's the headers loading up with water. There was water poring from the little holes in the headers.


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: 1975_Challenger_461 on June 05, 2014, 04:50:08 PM
You pushed a gasket. Water putting from the weep hold is a sign your running too much water pressure. Your ball could be stuck in the t- valve. However, it's showing you what's wrong.

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: 1975_Challenger_461 on June 05, 2014, 04:51:44 PM
Pouring. If it was loading up the cylinders you would bend/break a rod/piston.

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: chaosmotox on June 05, 2014, 05:19:25 PM
I shut the water to headers off, changed the oil and ran it for about 5 min. There's a lot less water now. Gonna do 2 more oil changes and hope I can get all the water out


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: chaosmotox on June 05, 2014, 05:27:45 PM
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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: 93_ultra on June 05, 2014, 05:40:44 PM
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not good man.

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: chaosmotox on June 05, 2014, 06:22:01 PM
It's getting better


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: chaosmotox on June 05, 2014, 08:56:42 PM
Did another oil change. Looks a lot better. Pulled the dip stick after running for about 5 mins and don't see any water.


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: Cliffjumper on June 05, 2014, 10:21:57 PM
Get it on the water let the oil warm up then check the dip stick

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: MorePower on June 05, 2014, 11:11:11 PM
Did the same exact thing with my motor.... Thought it was the headers, went dry still came back, reseated timing cover, then I got the good oil finally coming out.
All was good Until I actually got on the water. Ended up being head gaskets

The oils changes show the improvement, but was false comfort


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: Jet Boat Maloney on June 06, 2014, 01:05:46 AM

Did the same exact thing with my motor.... Thought it was the headers, went dry still came back, reseated timing cover, then I got the good oil finally coming out.
All was good Until I actually got on the water. Ended up being head gaskets

The oils changes show the improvement, but was false comfort


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Got water in my oil. I wish it was a head gasket👎👎👎


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: dat1dsm on June 06, 2014, 01:09:29 AM
I also got water in my oil.  I do think it's my headers tho.  First time messing with headers and a boat.  Ran it with water hose at my house when I put my motor in my new hull. Turned the water on then the boat and what I thought was normal at the time,  it started throwing out lots of mist/white smoke(didn't have a regulator).

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: icecreaman on June 06, 2014, 08:18:12 AM
Got water in my oil. I wish it was a head gasket👎👎👎


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Maybe you should plug those holes in the oil pan, might keep some of the water out. Lol ::)
Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: MorePower on June 06, 2014, 10:27:48 AM

Maybe you should plug those holes in the oil pan, might keep some of the water out. Lol ::)

Lol, just press some breathers in the holes and call it a day.


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: dat1dsm on June 06, 2014, 12:04:03 PM
Any way to tell if gaskets are blown? I was thinking of filling block with water and plugging everything (hoses going to headers and hose dumping back thru transom) and pressuring spark plug holes one by one to see if I see any bubbles coming out any gaskets

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: dat1dsm on June 06, 2014, 12:05:48 PM
Maybe you should plug those holes in the oil pan, might keep some of the water out. Lol ::)


Any way to tell if gaskets are blown? I was thinking of filling block with water and plugging everything (hoses going to headers and hose dumping back thru transom) and pressuring spark plug holes one by one to see if I see any bubbles coming out any gaskets

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: MorePower on June 06, 2014, 01:11:39 PM

Any way to tell if gaskets are blown? I was thinking of filling block with water and plugging everything (hoses going to headers and hose dumping back thru transom) and pressuring spark plug holes one by one to see if I see any bubbles coming out any gaskets

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Do you have a pressure gauge anywhere on your manifold? I plugged ever water intake and exit with brass plugs, one had a Schrader valve, filled the block with water then put 20lbs of pressure in, let it sit over night...


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: dat1dsm on June 06, 2014, 01:15:47 PM
Do you have a pressure gauge anywhere on your manifold? I plugged ever water intake and exit with brass plugs, one had a Schrader valve, filled the block with water then put 20lbs of pressure in, let it sit over night...


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No I don't.  I need to but as of right now I have no water pressure Guage on intake.

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: MorePower on June 06, 2014, 04:34:25 PM

No I don't.  I need to but as of right now I have no water pressure Guage on intake.

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Picked my gauge up for 12$ at the local hardware store. It's difficult to see it back there, but helps a lot!


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: 1979cudal on June 06, 2014, 11:16:15 PM
Another way to check for head gasket leak while running would be to hook up a vacuum gauge it will defiantly point you in the right direction for diag if its a head gasket issue or some thing else I use a vacuum gauge on classics that come to the dealer and have drivability concerns good running engine is in between 17 to 21 hg 


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: 1979cudal on June 06, 2014, 11:28:44 PM
Vacuum gauge is a good tool can also be used for checking retarded timing or advanced timing or weak valve springs or valve guides or burnt valves or  sticking valves or  in correct fuel mixture it was the obd scan tool of the 60 s 70s 80s 90s


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: rush1 on June 07, 2014, 06:31:55 AM
Vacuum gauge is a good tool can also be used for checking retarded timing or advanced timing or weak valve springs or valve guides or burnt valves or  sticking valves or  in correct fuel mixture it was the obd scan tool of the 60 s 70s 80s 90s


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that's a fact right there

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: dat1dsm on June 07, 2014, 06:38:51 PM
Another way to check for head gasket leak while running would be to hook up a vacuum gauge it will defiantly point you in the right direction for diag if its a head gasket issue or some thing else I use a vacuum gauge on classics that come to the dealer and have drivability concerns good running engine is in between 17 to 21 hg 


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what if I have motor out already?  Can I do a leak down test?


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: Cliffjumper on June 07, 2014, 06:50:16 PM
Mine had water in the oil. Cracked cylinder

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: 1979cudal on June 08, 2014, 12:09:35 AM
You can do a leak down test to check if the valves are seating but not to sure that it would be easy to get a water tight seal on the cooling system to perform a test like that i would pull he heads off and inspect head gaskets and have heads pressure tested if you already have it out


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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: dat1dsm on June 08, 2014, 12:38:50 AM
Damnn it. Tight on feds right now. Was hoping was just over ran headers

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: 1979cudal on June 08, 2014, 07:27:15 AM
It may have been the headers but you pulled engine so no way to tell now since motors out I mean if you come up with a bunch of Spair time put engine back in put in water and hook up vac gauge



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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: beerjet on June 08, 2014, 07:55:19 AM
Bought the motor already put together. I think it's the headers loading up with water. There was water poring from the little holes in the headers.


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Headers are supposed to do that.
If any water gets into the cylinders through your exhaust ports, muddy oil is gonna be the least of your problems.



Most common "milk shake" problem is not enough silicone around the water passage at the intake manifold.
Second I've seen is the head gasket.

REGULATE WATER PRESSURE GOING INTO BLOCK!

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: dat1dsm on June 08, 2014, 10:27:19 AM
It may have been the headers but you pulled engine so no way to tell now since motors out I mean if you come up with a bunch of Spair time put engine back in put in water and hook up vac gauge
Well motor isn't out yet but it's about to be in within next couple hrs lol


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Headers are supposed to do that.
If any water gets into the cylinders through your exhaust ports, muddy oil is gonna be the least of your problems.



Most common "milk shake" problem is not enough silicone around the water passage at the intake manifold.
Second I've seen is the head gasket.

REGULATE WATER PRESSURE GOING INTO BLOCK!
And my oil isnt that milky either. That's why I kinda thought was cus I didn't regulate headers. I'll take a quick pic
-beerjet-

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: dat1dsm on June 08, 2014, 11:33:56 AM
Oil n water

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: bronco1 on June 08, 2014, 11:52:23 AM
Are you running a Oldsmobile

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Title: Re: Water in oil
Post by: MorePower on June 08, 2014, 03:50:10 PM

Headers are supposed to do that.
If any water gets into the cylinders through your exhaust ports, muddy oil is gonna be the least of your problems.



Most common "milk shake" problem is not enough silicone around the water passage at the intake manifold.
Second I've seen is the head gasket.

REGULATE WATER PRESSURE GOING INTO BLOCK!

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