SoCal Jet Boats
Tech Talk => Engine Mechanical / Electrical => Topic started by: Mr Plow on March 21, 2009, 09:50:34 PM
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Ok I bought a 14 quart pan and it came with this windage tray. All the windage trays Ive seen up to this point have louvers in them or screens. Is this one ok to use, should I get a newer design or do I even need one? Thanks in advance!
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In all honesty, I dont see a problem with it...The louvered ones normally go all the way to the edges of the pan, the one you show looks to be quite short of the sides of the pan and should work very well.
I use a Dooley Jet boat pan and have a very modified Moroso windage tray in it and it acually seems to work exellent, I had a crankscraper in it at first and it seemed to be a major overkill for the application.
The one thing you really have to be careful of on a tray in a BBC is dipstick clearance, I have had to modify most of them to get the stick to clear the tray...
GT
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Ok, now Ive run into clearance issues. Can I use the nut you see at the base of the stud sandwiching the tray between that and the top nut. Now you can see in the pictures how many threads are useable. That nut is the minimum that I feel I can get away with. Or, do I need to get all new, fully adjustable studs? Thanks again!
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I would get some taller studs, that's what I have and I don't seem to have any issues on my 454...Moroso flat windage tray...
GT
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I would get some taller studs, that's what I have and I don't seem to have any issues on my 454...Moroso flat windage tray...
GT
X2
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Goddam, the mother f'er I bought these bolts from said "Oh yeah they will work just fine", :banghead:
Thanks guys The ones I just ordered are Milodon #81151
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Well, look at some pictures while we wait............
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Buddy of mine shot this last month. 6'4" long 185lbs. Big kitty
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Some of the boys.......Nah, No one I know. just some picture that makes me laugh my ass off
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That's a big damn cat ???
Are you planning on running headers? (If yes, you will have some minor interferance issues with the studs....Stud :-*
I hated having to use the grinder on mine...made me cry a little :'( I had to clearance the headers and the studs for a set of Bassetts..
GT
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That's a big damn cat ???
Are you planning on running headers? (If yes, you will have some minor interferance issues with the studs....Stud :-*
I hated having to use the grinder on mine...made me cry a little :'( I had to clearance the headers and the studs for a set of Bassetts..
GT
Nope. Using logs. That will work with them right?? God, tell me that will work, please.....
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Me and the fiance
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Nope. Using logs. That will work with them right?? God, tell me that will work, please.....
Logs should clear fine, I think...
BTW put a helmet on that thing!!!!!! ;)
GT
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Logs should clear fine, I think...
BTW put a helmet on that thing!!!!!! ;)
GT
Too late already have 3 kids.
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Me, the fiance and Rupert from Survivor!
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Too late already have 3 kids.
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Thread jack ;)
What happens if you have a 10qt pan and no windage tray ?
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I'm glad were talking windage tray here cause I'm also doing a windage tray install Dooley 14 qt pan and tray . I just purchased an ARP stud kit for a BBC it has 10 studs in kit 6 of them are 41/2 long and 4 are 4 1/2 long w/ a 1 1/2 step down in size making them total of 6 " long I take it the step down is for the windage tray mount all though my windage tray has more mount holes than 4 I think 7. I haven't pulled the pan yet but I'm assuming its a 2 bolt main and maybe the tray is for a 4 bolt main? The directions say to check main bearing bores for out of round condition after changing to the high strenght studs and line bore if necessary. My plan was to pull the bolts out of 1 main cap and torque the studs without removing the cap and disturbing the bearings. Am I way off base thinking about doing that . Do I need to pull the crank and have it checked for out of round after changing to studs . I'm sure that would be the ultimate way but how necessary is it . Does everyone do this. I don't want to ruin my motor . What are you guys doing when you install studs and windage tray. Thanks for your help
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I'm glad were talking windage tray here cause I'm also doing a windage tray install Dooley 14 qt pan and tray . I just purchased an ARP stud kit for a BBC it has 10 studs in kit 6 of them are 41/2 long and 4 are 4 1/2 long w/ a 1 1/2 step down in size making them total of 6 " long I take it the step down is for the windage tray mount all though my windage tray has more mount holes than 4 I think 7. I haven't pulled the pan yet but I'm assuming its a 2 bolt main and maybe the tray is for a 4 bolt main? The directions say to check main bearing bores for out of round condition after changing to the high strenght studs and line bore if necessary. My plan was to pull the bolts out of 1 main cap and torque the studs without removing the cap and disturbing the bearings. Am I way off base thinking about doing that . Do I need to pull the crank and have it checked for out of round after changing to studs . I'm sure that would be the ultimate way but how necessary is it . Does everyone do this. I don't want to ruin my motor . What are you guys doing when you install studs and windage tray. Thanks for your help
That is the reason i dont have a tray in mine... No place to mount it and i wasnt going to buy studs, I figured when i rebuild it then i would buy the studs and do it right ;)
i think if your just swapping over from bolts to studs you should be fine , but what do i know...... My boat hasn't ran in almost 3 years :'(
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how can a boat that looks like yours Steve not be on the water ??
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by the way had the MT valve covers polished ....they look awesome
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how can a boat that looks like yours Steve not be on the water ??
Long story :'( :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
by the way had the MT valve covers polished ....they look awesome
I bet they do ;) Thats good to hear
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Thread jack ;)
What happens if you have a 10qt pan and no windage tray ?
I'm concerned enough about it(no windage tray) I'm picking up a new pan, my old pan had/has a tray but it wouldn't clear my new stroker crank. It's my understanding that without one the crank can aerate the oil causing an oil pressure issue :o If I'm off the mark here, someone please set me straight.
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Long story :'( :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Not really that long of a story.....Only 7 pages! ;)
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A windage tray is IMO a necessity when your talking about that much surface area to aerate, the windage from the crank (especially any kind of stroker application) would make the oil pan like a bubble bath.
Most high performance pans have some built in windage control, but could always be improved upon..
If there is no windage control, the oil needs to be as far away as possible from the rotating assy., which in a jet boat application is impossible to obtain...
GT
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I've had intemittent issues with pushing oil out of the dipstick on hard runs. During the Mead trip it pushed probably 1/2 quart out in one run (I know it happened during one long pass with the diverter in full up position (maybe more load?)). Then with several other full throttle runs without the diverter change it would only push out the dipstick a little and no oil.
Mine still has a stock oil pan, so I'm thinking that the problem is due to excessive windage that is changed by load or attitude of the boat.
A new pan/windage tray is planned when the engine gets freshened up.
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I've had intemittent issues with pushing oil out of the dipstick on hard runs. During the Mead trip it pushed probably 1/2 quart out in one run (I know it happened during one long pass with the diverter in full up position (maybe more load?)). Then with several other full throttle runs without the diverter change it would only push out the dipstick a little and no oil.
Mine still has a stock oil pan, so I'm thinking that the problem is due to excessive windage that is changed by load or attitude of the boat.
A new pan/windage tray is planned when the engine gets freshened up.
BINGO
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Well i guess im not gonna worry about a tray now......
Im too close
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A windage tray is IMO a necessity when your talking about that much surface area to aerate, the windage from the crank (especially any kind of stroker application) would make the oil pan like a bubble bath.
Most high performance pans have some built in windage control, but could always be improved upon..
If there is no windage control, the oil needs to be as far away as possible from the rotating assy., which in a jet boat application is impossible to obtain...
GT
Thanks GT, for a straight fwd. answer. My new motor isn't worth taking a chance with a cheap pan. O0
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Now that i remember by going thru old pics , this is the pan and it only had the short windage tray ( the rear ) i left off due to no studs..
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the pan i took off the eliminator is the oposite, its a full lenght windage tray... So i got myself confused again cause i look at it everyday but i think i will be just fine with that pan i have on my engine ;)
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Now that i remember by going thru old pics , this is the pan and it only had the short windage tray ( the rear ) i left off due to no studs..
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the pan i took off the eliminator is the oposite, its a full lenght windage tray... So i got myself confused again cause i look at it everyday but i think i will be just fine with that pan i have on my engine ;)
These work well...The last big block I had had a Dooley pan and a crank scraper, IMHO way overkill, but it didn't have any windage issues whatsoever..And we could put 11 quarts in it without issues and that lowered the oil temp. to a nice 220*F O0
GT
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I'm almost talking myself out ofchanging main cap bolts to studs until later on . Instead of installing windage tray on the studs if I figured out exactly where the tray would line up in the pan to just clear the crank could I just weld the windage tray inside the pan instead like I have seen or is there a reason there on the main cap studs. It would sure simplify things. Does anyone see a reason for not doing this.....................motorhome6
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Mr. Plow never let anyone you care about ride on your street bikes with shorts on.....VERy VERY Very bad idea.
S CP ;D
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Yeah and we should probably be wearing helmets too. If she wants to wear her bee catchers thats her business.