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AQUAHOLIC

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glassed in speaker box
« on: April 07, 2009, 12:30:33 PM »
ok so i need some help here and need it quick. i am thinking of glassing in a permanite sub inclosure up under my closed bow. i want to put to 15 inch subs where your feet would go if you are sitting in the two capts chairs. I would like to keep the center open to store skis or coolers or whatever. here is my delima. if i glass these in and use the hull for half of the sub enclosure am i going to rattle the top of the boat off the bottom of the boat. I can reinforce the hull seam from the inside with glass and i will have MDF board for the front and side of the box. then i want to just glass it to the floor and top of the closed bow on the inside. closing the sub box off.  What do you guys think. will my 30 year old boat hold up to this stereo set up? if i dont have the fastest boat i want to have the loudest
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2009, 01:36:26 PM »
UMMMM....im thinking here..i have 2 dual voice coil kicker 12's in my cruiser now and they sound good ( alittle underpowered), but have 2 dvc 15" fosgates in my hatchback and its loud in there....15" subs need a lot of air space to project bass out of there...oh and its going to rattle like a big dog..that bottom part of your boat you are going to glass is going to flex alot i think...remember the bigger the speaker too the lower the bass note that will come out..lot of rock music dont have those tones...just sayin..and 15" are going to need a lot of power to sound clean...i would love to see pics of your todo....not sure if this helps, thats all i got, ANYBODY ELSE???
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2009, 01:47:10 PM »
well i got two of the solo barrak 15s with amps to support them also capacitors to save the batteries. they are in a box by themselves right now i was thinking of just leaving them in there so that they are easier to change if i dont like it. i could just make a fo wall to dress up the box under my hull. and i could mount the amps and cap right to the box. Ya i think it is going to rattle but i am hopin the base is louder than the rattle. lol. hmmm. i am still wondering if this is a good idea or not. lots of speaker boxes are made of fiberglass and no where near as thick as my boat hull. so i dont think that will be a problem.

if anyone else has some ideas please let m eknow.
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2009, 01:51:33 PM »
I have found out the hard way that if the bass is louder than the rattles.........................things start to break

have you ever seen a 30 year old fiberglass speaker box ???

I thinking..........Overkill ;)
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2009, 02:07:18 PM »
the other option is to leave the 15s in the current box they are in and just screw it to the floor up under the bow. would not look as cool but would not vibrate the hull as bad either.?

i am going to be starting this project on monday so any advice would be helpfull before then. so feel free to chime in.

if you had two 15s with amps wires and caps would you put it in your boat..lol.. it is not doing me any good on the garage floor. and i would use the hell out of a loud stereo on the river.
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2009, 02:10:50 PM »
i wonder if i could make the capt chairs into individual speaker boxes to house the 15s. that would bring them out in the open and not rattle the hull very much at all. and probably travel a lot better rather than just shoot the bass to the back of the boat like my current setup.....


still brainstorming.
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2009, 02:20:27 PM »
i wonder if i could make the capt chairs into individual speaker boxes to house the 15s. that would bring them out in the open and not rattle the hull very much at all. and probably travel a lot better rather than just shoot the bass to the back of the boat like my current setup.....


still brainstorming.

15's need to bounce / reflect off of something to give the clean bass sound / feel.  captains chairs ::) dont waist your time :sly:

if you had two 15s with amps wires and caps would you put it in your boat..lol.. it is not doing me any good on the garage floor. and i would use the hell out of a loud stereo on the river.

No for many reasons.... And its not cause im old ;D   Are you wanting to be the  "hey look at me guy?" like the rest of you clowns from Cali O0

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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2009, 02:29:37 PM »
I have a good stereo guy that was telling me if it is a closed bow with a small entrance. Like on a 18-19ft. Jet boat you can actually build a box to spec which in return let you use the front of the hull as a port like in a large band pass box. Making a 10 sound like a 15. less power, selfcontained box, super sound. If that is your set up. If not I would run the self contained box but m ake sure that the air off the speaker has something to reflect off of if it is in a sealed box. only way your going to get a good sound. Had two 12's in a full convertable blazer that sounded like 6x9's when the top was off. Or you could always use a bandpass box and face it almost anyway you would like. A little bit bigger of a set up but will be self contained. use it self to produce noise and wont rattle the crap out of your boat. At least shouldn't anyways.
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2009, 02:56:30 PM »
i would like to use the closed bow as a box. but i am worried about ratteling the hull apart. i could reinforce the seams and glass in the wood work. but i would need to know how big to do the box. how big the ports should be. i think i might get a bandpass box. and just screw it to the floor up under the bow.

i am still thinking. thanks for all the help guys. i am going to take pics of my interior and post them so you guys can help me figure this out.

and yes i want to be the hey look at me guy. i have a mini day so i cant really go fast i am handicaped with a panther pump.

we spend most of our time with the boat parked and the radio on anyway so i might as well have a loud one.. i alreay have all the parts i just got to figure out how to put it in the boat.
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2009, 03:12:36 PM »
I hope you have room for a couple extra batteries.
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2009, 03:26:19 PM »
i have dual batteries in my boat now and i have two red top optimas in my garage.
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2009, 05:39:31 PM »


What kind of music do you listen too?

If you listen to mostly rock music I would put 2 or 3 good dvc 10" subs in a custom built box. Get some shallow mount subs (Pioneer premiers are nice) and build your own box. Would be very compact and sound equally as good with the rite amp.

I wouldn't use the hull as a box in anyway. I would build a totally sealed box for the subs.

Thats just my opinion though and I'm no expert.
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2009, 06:56:22 PM »
FWIW There's a pretty good thread on jet boat stereos at:
http://www.performanceboats.com/html/forums/showthread.php?t=29736

you can read what some of them have rigged for speakers.
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2009, 07:03:52 PM »
we listend to like a kiss fm type mix while at the river. good old rock and all the newer top 100 shit. just looking for some booom in the trunk i guess. and like i said i already have all the stuff to do this system. i think i am going to build to single boxes and put one on each side of the motor under my new rear deck lid once the interio is done. i can mount the amps under the rear bench and that will be about it. probably run 4 6x9 and 2 6&1/2s that should clear up the highs. even if it dont sound perfect i bet it will be loud and will do more good than those speakers sitting in my garage.
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2009, 08:51:45 AM »
I know or I have been told by a car audio competion judge (Same guy who was talking about using the hull as a bandpass set up) that 15's are just as responsive as 10's but have the ability to hit the lows that the smaller subs can not hit. Just have to tune it right. Hell, I watched him tune a comp. car that was running two 15's. Took him almost three hours but he was tuning to the works of Tool. Says there music contains all elements to get the vehicle tuned right. I am not a fan but when he was done the car sounded amazing. You can always shoot him line. Owner of Lombards Car Audio in San Luis Obispo, CA. his name is Matt. PM me i you would like him number.
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2009, 09:01:54 AM »
AQUAHOLIC, I had 2 10"s glassed in under my bow and there were no problems except the fact that every trip out I ended up picking up at least one gauge bracket off the floor (it rattled them loose).  Good luck with your project.   
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2009, 09:30:24 AM »
Owner of Lombards Car Audio in San Luis Obispo, CA. his name is Matt. PM me i you would like him number.

thats funny, I met that guy YEARS ago when I lived in Santa Maria! Small world
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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2009, 08:39:29 PM »
If you dont already have one, keep in mind that you will want to get another amp to run your 6x9's and 6.5's.  Otherwise it will be all bass and no audio.  I would definatly run cap's for all 3 amps too. 
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2009, 08:52:20 PM »
i have one HUGE amp for the two subs and a 1000w 4 channel for the 6x9s i have a lot of stereo crap laying around. i was going to run both amps off of a 3 farad cap. that should be good enough.
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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2009, 11:14:47 AM »
yeah you should be good with a 3 farad cap.  two 15's in a closed bow is going to be ridiculously loud.   :o
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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2009, 01:08:53 PM »
  If you look at kicker's web site, The 15's only need 1.5 - 3 cubic feet each, so a box made from 3/4 mdf wouldn't be too big or hard to make,  I had 2 comp dv12" in my old boat with 2 RF mono 500s puching them and it only rattle your insides, But put covers over them or you will get a ski push into them ( experance)
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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2009, 01:21:42 PM »
ya i think i am going to build two single boxes on for each side of the motor. that should work. then i will put the amps up front under the bow so that they wont get wet.
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Re: glassed in speaker box
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2009, 02:34:31 PM »
i have 1 solo barek 15 dvc with only 800 watts hitting it and it's to much bass the low side is all the way down to -6 and if some one puts a beer on the deck it jumps it off i should have put 4 10 like my buddys boat in all 4 corners sound like a club from the beach
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