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Same hull different name
« on: September 19, 2008, 08:21:59 PM »
How come their is so many hulls that look the same but manufacture are different? Brads Wriedt looks like my tahiti. What does a splash hull mean? hope i said it right And does ant one have any information on Tahiti hulls I would like a little history lesson on them.  ???
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Re: Same hull different name
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2008, 08:50:58 PM »
In years not so passed, the manufacturers would literally buy a boat and spray it with mold release and make a mold from it, change a few little things and call it there own, happened a lot. So the term "splash" comes from the resin going onto a hull.

Its illegal to do, but still somewhat goes on, another thing that would happen is the origional molds would get sold when they have met there useful life span and they would fix them up and start building boats again.

Tahiti, Carribean, Kona, Shuster, were all somewhat related, so was beachcraft and reinell, not to mention hundreds of others, in fact Carrera used the same gelcoat guys as Eliminator...happens all of the time...

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PS sorry if I offended anyone, sometimes this is a touchy subject.
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: Same hull different name
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2008, 10:30:33 PM »


-beerjet-
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i dont but im all for stuffin shit in her ass to make her go away :-*

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Re: Same hull different name
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2008, 10:42:43 PM »
i also believe that i read somewhere that rogers and Tahiti were in the same building.  i think early 70's.  this was until tahiti got its own building or visa versa
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Re: Same hull different name
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2008, 08:44:32 AM »
What put an end to that was the US government passed a law that said if you splashed a hull and sold it, the the original designer/MFG/Legal owner was legally entitled to ALL proceeds from the sale of that hull. Most boat hull shops took themselves out of business rather than face millions in back payments.

In reality, a good law. Spending $$$ to develop a hull then have someone else copy, sell it and get the profits isn't right.
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Re: Same hull different name
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2008, 07:29:34 PM »
Don't mix gelcoat artist and lamination crews with "splashing" hulls.  Gelcoat and lamination crews are now contract laborers especially for small output shops with limitet staffing and one or two molds.  "Splasher Craft" boats are companies creating molds from some other hulls.  Glenco did this to the original 16' & 18' Rodgers but they used half stringers and chopper guns in lue of full stringers and hand laminations.  They usually ended up with a big hook in the keel.  If you ever want to see Brad turm white ask him how he thinks the Rasberry would handle with a 1" hook instead of the 1/4" relieved strakes and straight keel it had.
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Re: Same hull different name
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2008, 07:49:32 PM »
If you ever want to see Brad turm white ask him how he thinks the Rasberry would handle with a 1" hook instead of the 1/4" relieved strakes and straight keel it had.

Tom,

The unfortunet thing about the raspberry was that i only got to drive it 3 laps before it blew up...and maybe 3-5 minutes tops when testing....and the motor i had in it barely broke it into the 60 mph range......maybe that was for the better....who knows.

what i do gotta say is that damn boat handled chop like a champ.....especially with the center steer setup rocking side to side on the keel like a teeter totter instead of getting slammed as you hammered over cross wakes.

my next 'race' boat will be center steer. i really liked that setup.
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Re: Same hull different name
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2008, 07:52:51 PM »
my next 'race' boat will be center steer. i really liked that setup.

Convert what you got!
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: Same hull different name
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2008, 08:04:39 PM »
Convert what you got!

i got my eyes on a capped flat deck rogers like the 410 thats been sittin for awhile.....i think i got the guy convinced to sell it to me. i'm just waiting to get settled in vegas before i give him that call. i dont want to push him then not have anywhere to keep it.

if i get that boat it will be setup strictly to run compjet....the crazy eights will be my nostalgia boat or be retired to a river boat.

so anyways.....back on subject....i think i remember old rigger telling me once that there was several shops on one street in bellflower i believe....and they would roll molds between the shops and trade off on them....thats why so many boats look the same, but are different internally (stringer lenght, with/without floors, different bulkhead setups, etc)......i believe it was tahiti, wriedt, weiman/rodgers, kona and i believe hawaiian who all did this.

i wont mention names but someone told me he was there when roger's boats splashed the bubble deck off a sanger to incorporate into the bubble deck rogers mold.....so thats where rogers got its bubble deck from.

slashing was very common back in the days.
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Re: Same hull different name
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2008, 09:41:08 PM »
Don't mix gelcoat artist and lamination crews with "splashing" hulls.  Gelcoat and lamination crews are now contract laborers especially for small output shops with limitet staffing and one or two molds.  "Splasher Craft" boats are companies creating molds from some other hulls.  Glenco did this to the original 16' & 18' Rodgers but they used half stringers and chopper guns in lue of full stringers and hand laminations.  They usually ended up with a big hook in the keel.  If you ever want to see Brad turm white ask him how he thinks the Rasberry would handle with a 1" hook instead of the 1/4" relieved strakes and straight keel it had.

Hey Wizard, that is exactly what I meant by not wanting to offend anyone, what was meant by that particular comment was that the boat manufacturing world was a very tight community and that technicians would go from shop to shop and bring the technologies from one to another. It had nothing at all to do with the talent or event knowledge that one person had, it was to point out that that information traveled easily from place to place. Splashing IMO is stealing, no matter what anyone says, but at the same time, a layup or gel artists learned a lot of what they know from the shops they worked at and the talented people only used the best of what they learned from all the places they worked, otherwise a lot of the builders we now know would never exist....again only my opinion, please don't take any offense..I spent half of my life working with these manufacturers and understood how it worked, I have a lot of respect for the engineering that goes into a hull design and would never take that away from a legitimate builder...

GT
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If i get some free time tonight at work, ill play with it and post it for everyone to see.

Time to man up and yank it John!  :banghead:
Ray

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Re: Same hull different name
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2008, 10:25:54 AM »
No offense taken and none implied.  A bit more history... the law outlawing splashing was actually thanks to the Spa Industry who had the same issues the boat guys had.  The boat Industry tagged on when the legislation was being written.  The Gas lines of the 70's also helped weed out the bad companies at the time.  People still wanting boats only bought quality hulls and the chopper gun boats went the way of the DO-Do bird. That's probably why you still find many old hulls in such good shape structurally. 
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Re: Same hull different name
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2008, 10:47:26 AM »
Thanks for the input guys on this subject. You guys know your stuff. So was Tahiti owened by a big corp that owened several boat names and hulls?
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Re: Same hull different name
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2008, 12:45:15 PM »
Dick Shuster started Tahiti in the late 60's. Then it was sold to Bell Industries in the mid 70's and later to Hardin Marine which also picked up Carribean Boats. I believe thats the way it went down.
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