SoCal Jet Boats
Tech Talk => Interior => Topic started by: 2savage4you on March 01, 2008, 01:03:21 PM
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Ok im trying to install these old gauges from the Omega with some angled bezels but i cant get it on right.......... wtf do you have to do to get it to connect again, the little plastic piece on the back of the gauge wont hook back on even when i ground out one side..........Do the newer gauges have longer terminals to make it fit better or what...... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
2sav :banghead:
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My gauges have a plastic mounting bracket on the back that mounts to where the wires mount to.. and they are 8 years old...i have seen some newer gauges with the mount seperate from the terminals. I think thats what i need............. :banghead:
2sav
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Post a photo!
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Post a photo!
I will when i put the gauges on EBAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :banghead:
2sav
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I notched one side out cause of the angle
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and its loose now it will almost pull out. I think i need a set that has a seperate mount, not combined like this one is ???
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If i had one that had the metal bracket on the back like i have seen before, i could just bend it and it would be just fine.
2sav
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Or just improvise adapt and overcome - make new straps to hold them in.
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i'm with rod just make some metal ones
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i'm with rod just make some metal ones
I never said make metal ones! Metal ones will short the gauges out, they got to be made out of plastic!
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I never said make metal ones! Metal ones will short the gauges out, they got to be made out of plastic!
I have to disagree. I've got brand new, in the box still, Beede gauges and all of them have aluminum brackets for holding them to the dash.
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I have to disagree. I've got brand new, in the box still, Beede gauges and all of them have aluminum brackets for holding them to the dash.
Thanks for that pic , i was wondering what the back looked like ;D those will work perfect............ ;D I need gauges. Rods right about the brackets , they will short it out. Yours are just for mounting the gauge not wiring it ;)
2sav
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the metal brkts had nylon insulators in them
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the metal brkts had nylon insulators in them
And that will keep them from making contact and burning out the gauge, but without them on metal brackets.................Remember up in smoke ;D
2sav
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the metal brkts had nylon insulators in them
Sorry, there aren't any nylon insulators.
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Sorry, there aren't any nylon insulators.
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So you think that was the only gauge ever made with metal brkts?
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So you think that was the only gauge ever made with metal brkts?
Nope but I've got 5 of them here and none of them have nylon insulators. I was just pointing out that the brackets do not have to made of plastic. So you think they all have to have an insulator?
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Nope but I've got 5 of them here and none of them have nylon insulators. I was just pointing out that the brackets do not have to made of plastic. So you think they all have to have an insulator?
Just the ones you dont want to short out......
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Just the ones you dont want to short out......
The other bolt is a dummy or just a mounting bolt, nothing electrical connect to that side so it can't short out. The other side is the ground.
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Now this is old school Stewart Warner, I dont know what they have out there nowdays...
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I rest my case. :D ;D :D ;D I think most all the gauges used in the marine world now are pretty well insulated from shorts. I remember the ones you have and it's because they mounted to a metal dash as well as both terminals being connection points.
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Hey HD, how about showing that drawing you have going on there under that bracket. :D
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I have to disagree. I've got brand new, in the box still, Beede gauges and all of them have aluminum brackets for holding them to the dash.
Take a look at 2Sav's gauges, not your gauges, but 2Sav's...
http://www.socaljetboats.com/index.php?topic=2956.msg41769;topicseen#new
and then tell me that a metal bracket for the back of his gauges will not present a problem. :sly:
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Take a look at 2Sav's gauges, not your gauges, but 2Sav's...
http://www.socaljetboats.com/index.php?topic=2956.msg41769;topicseen#new
and then tell me that a metal bracket for the back of his gauges will not present a problem. :sly:
It all depends on what that one bolt on the right actually does, BUT since his are made of plastic, then I would say stay with that or buy new gauges. I wanted the angled anodized bezels and went with new gauges just so everything was new and looked better.
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I will say one thing, no matter which type of bracket you have the angled bezels are a bit of a challenge when it comes to mounting. I guess that's why I'm going to cut a piece of plywood with the holes for each size gauge and then do the bracket modifications there before having to lay on my back and work under the dash.
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it does not present a problem if its insulated
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The link thing doesn't seem to be sinking in/getting looked at...
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The terminals on these gauges are real close together and also real close to the gauges centerline where a bracket would typically go. Metal brackets would be tough to fab w/o shorting things out. I don't know where insulators can be purchased. I would break out the tin snips, drill bits, a small torch or a cigarette light with patience, and just make new brackets out of plastic. Plastic 12" X 12" ABS sheets can usually be bought at car stereo shops.
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Oh yea, you may be able to heat the existing brackets to "form" them better, but not all plastics respond the same to heat sooo without having that particular plastic in my hand I don't know how it would respond...
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Hey HD, how about showing that drawing you have going on there under that bracket. :D
One of my neighbors playing with his kids crayons.......
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One of my neighbors playing with his kids crayons.......
Almost as good as Hotrod and his Photoshop. ;D ::)
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I agree with Gaw it is a pain in the rear with angled bezels, ya have to grind a little on the inside of the dash to get them to fit right, no big deal, and as for the brackets some guages come with insulated brackets and some dont, the 2 posts are for mounting so it dont matter, ya just dont want to short the wires to the 2 posts anyway. The insulated ones with the grommets are supposed to help with the vibrations but i used nylock nuts so that isnt a prob jus my 1/2 cent mark ;)
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I agree with Gaw it is a pain in the rear with angled bezels, ya have to grind a little on the inside of the dash to get them to fit right, no big deal, and as for the brackets some guages come with insulated brackets and some dont, the 2 posts are for mounting so it dont matter, ya just dont want to short the wires to the 2 posts anyway. The insulated ones with the grommets are supposed to help with the vibrations but i used nylock nuts so that isnt a prob jus my 1/2 cent mark ;)
Hey, I like you nylock nut idea. Beats the hell out of those star washers that want to turn the wire when you tighten things down. I'll do muy mock up plywood and then I'll know just what has to be ground and bent to may them fit.
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One of my neighbors playing with his kids crayons.......
...... and the Red And White and Hells Angels stickers.... ??? :-X
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i put new Beede gauges in my Nordic last summer, and it had aluminum brackets, no insulators and had no problem with them. i mounted the with angled bezels as well. i had to cut off most of one side of the mount to accomidate for the angle. they come pre-notched for that reason
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i put new Beede gauges in my Nordic last summer, and it had aluminum brackets, no insulators and had no problem with them. i mounted the with angled bezels as well. i had to cut off most of one side of the mount to accomidate for the angle. they come pre-notched for that reason
Think you might take a photo and post it here for the rest of us to see what you did? Thanks, Greg
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ive tried posting pics before, and i guess im retarded, i will as soon as i figure it out. if you look at the gauge mounting brackets, most of them have 2 or 3 notches. cut 1 or 2 squares of one side off with a pair of wire cutters, and it should fit flush with the back of the gauges and get plenty tight to hold them into place.
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heres fom the front. im working on behind the dash
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heres fom the front. im working on behind the dash
That looks nice. Now how did you do the thumb nails? That's what I haven't been able to figure out. Maybe I should read the directions, if there are any posted.
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when you go to reply, in yellow at the bottom it says" additional options" click on it, click browse and it will allow for thumbnails. now i just have to take a pic of the back of my dash for you