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Tech Talk => Jet Pumps => Topic started by: DOZZR on February 29, 2008, 08:27:26 AM

Title: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: DOZZR on February 29, 2008, 08:27:26 AM
Well I am going to tear into my pump for the first time to install a stuffer. The pump had a new impeller and wear ring installed last summer so hopefully it'll come apart fairly easy. I am thinking/hoping all I will need to do is basically drill/tap install the stuffer plate, re-check tollerances as it goes back together. Is there anything that I should be aware of before I get this thing tore down (special machining ect.) pictures of the mounting would be sweet.

Josh, this post has your name all over it, can you hear it calling your name lol  ;D
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: Josh@JBP on February 29, 2008, 10:41:27 AM
Well I am going to tear into my pump for the first time to install a stuffer. The pump had a new impeller and wear ring installed last summer so hopefully it'll come apart fairly easy. I am thinking/hoping all I will need to do is basically drill/tap install the stuffer plate, re-check tollerances as it goes back together. Is there anything that I should be aware of before I get this thing tore down (special machining ect.) pictures of the mounting would be sweet.

Josh, this post has your name all over it, can you hear it calling your name lol  ;D

 ;D If you are going to install a stuffer plate it should be pretty straight forward.  Take the bowl off, get some modeling clay (playdo) make acouple of balls the size of marbles put at least two on oposite sides of the impeller, put the bowl back on and torque it down(don't turn the shaft).  Remove and measure the squished clay with a pair of calipers, they should measure about the same, if not it wouldn't be bad idea to put a few more on and check it again.  I usually will put the same clearance on the back side of the impeller as I use on the front so take your measurment and subtract .025" -.035" and you know how thick to make your plate.  Also its not a bad idea to drill an 1/8" hole in the bottom of the stuff to drain any water that will get trapped in there.

You can also get real fancy on your stuffer and machine it to fill in the void on the impeller, but thats a whole nother story.
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: AA/Paul on February 29, 2008, 12:20:57 PM
What's astuffer??? Similair to an inducer?  Run both?  stick a turkey in it and pick up 4 mph?
Stuffer same as loader?
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: AA/Paul on February 29, 2008, 12:24:02 PM
Is this how it works??    O0
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: hotrod56cars on February 29, 2008, 12:47:35 PM
What's astuffer??? Similair to an inducer?  Run both?  stick a turkey in it and pick up 4 mph?
Stuffer same as loader?

A stuffer is basically a chunk of aluminum that mounts to the inside of the bowl on the impellor side, it fills a void. It's supposed to help decrease cavitation.
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: Josh@JBP on February 29, 2008, 01:27:23 PM
Found a pic of a simple stuffer, a ledge has been machined on this one to create an L shape mating surface(kinda like a shoulder on a wear ring), How ever I would typically machine the mating surface on the impeller also incase its a hair off center.
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi147.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr319%2Fjetboatperformance%2FDSCF0040.jpg&hash=69227530e0b5740594e52bec12935c779f7ae4f2)
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: AA/Paul on February 29, 2008, 01:49:32 PM
Cool !! Thanx.
 Would it flow more if it where cone shaped or is something else in front of it?
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: DOZZR on February 29, 2008, 02:01:23 PM
Here is the one I have, it looks like the mounting holes are different and champfered on the other side, hmmm, this one is 7-1/4 across 1/2 thick in the center and the taper is approx 5/16
with a 32nd on the front side (as shown in your pic.) My mounting holes are  on a 2 in radius or 4 inch circumfrence, where yours is probably closer to 6-3/4 center
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi148.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs8%2FDozzr%2FHPIM0988.jpg&hash=2f7f928c4f5b9532ad7fde98155717a94c804c92)
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Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: Josh@JBP on February 29, 2008, 02:05:36 PM
Cool !! Thanx.
 Would it flow more if it where cone shaped or is something else in front of it?
I spent way too much time on this one, but somewhere buried amonst more aluminum it started out as an Aggressor cone stuffer.  This one fits .025" everywhere :screwy: I think i had too much time on my hands.

(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi147.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr319%2Fjetboatperformance%2FDSCF0290.1.jpg&hash=a3f03c957169d651c29d8c3ca7d170ec197e517e)

Here is the one I have, it looks like the mounting holes are different and champfered on the other side, hmmm, this one is 7-1/4 across 1/2 thick in the center and the taper is approx 5/16
with a 32nd on the front side (as shown in your pic.) My mounting holes are  on a 2 in radius or 4 inch circumfrence, where yours is probably closer to 6-3/4 center

I've seen ppl do that before but be carfull and seal the bolts because they go right into the oil cavity, also make sure and get drill shavings out.
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: DOZZR on February 29, 2008, 02:21:42 PM
after seeing that one (agressor), is the one I have going to actually worth the time and effort for the gain it will produce?, and I think the smart thing also would be to tap and fill my existing holes, and re drill them the way you have it set up, it would probably be easier and safer and stronger (versus, fishing out the shavings, drilling and tapping, into oil resevoir)
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: Josh@JBP on February 29, 2008, 02:48:56 PM
after seeing that one (agressor), is the one I have going to actually worth the time and effort for the gain it will produce?, and I think the smart thing also would be to tap and fill my existing holes, and re drill them the way you have it set up, it would probably be easier and safer and stronger (versus, fishing out the shavings, drilling and tapping, into oil resevoir)
Truthfully, a plate stuffer would work very well for you,  I'm not quite sure if the one I built was worth the time or effort but it was fun.  Heres what an aggressor one looks like from aggressor.

(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aggressorjets.com%2Fimages%2Fimage023.jpg&hash=8981a14c2b9c2891387ee77678e170c7a5a3c8eb) (https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aggressorjets.com%2Fimages%2Fimage017.jpg&hash=c5f12f785bfa75ccfc3f9e7af2af56f57bf91442)

But there is a machined area in an aggressor bowl for it to sit in, it wouldn't bolt into a berkeley bowl, without some work
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: OC2Vegas on February 29, 2008, 05:04:00 PM

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Overkill or not, that is just purdy!
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: Josh@JBP on February 29, 2008, 06:28:38 PM
Overkill or not, that is just purdy!
Thanks, I gotta modify it once more to fit in that bowl ::)  Its just sittin in there, and slightly change the cone shape to fit the hi-helix.
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: speedymopars on February 29, 2008, 10:01:02 PM
What's the going rate to take a stock JC and make it work as well as it can (without trying to get that last .001%) ?
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: TIMINATOR on March 01, 2008, 08:45:15 AM
I have stuffer plates made up and ready to install for $35.00. Several different thicknesses and styles.  TIMINATOR   623-877-8553
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: AA/Paul on March 01, 2008, 09:10:42 AM
Nice work josh. Those tapers take awhile.  ;D
Thanx Timinator.
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: speedymopars on March 01, 2008, 12:00:35 PM
I have stuffer plates made up and ready to install for $35.00. Several different thicknesses and styles.  TIMINATOR   623-877-8553

How are you supposed to know what one you need?


I have to take my berk apart in the next couple of weeks - installing a place divertor, and relubing everything + wear ring and anything else that needs / should be changed.
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: TIMINATOR on March 01, 2008, 07:45:38 PM
You call me, and give me your dimensions and we go from there. I can machine them any way you want. We also do custom welding, fabbing and pump work.  TIMM  623-877-8553 we are in the west Phx,az area. We ship a lot of pumps in and out by greyhound bus, its the cheapest way.
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: speedymopars on March 12, 2008, 03:19:38 PM
I'm learning about jets now, that's a good thing :-)

It looks like I have .359 clearance between the bowl and the impeller (which is an aluminum A BTW) with an ID of 5.9 ish (it is hard to measure due to the bowl size and caliper configuration.

In looking how the two fit together, I don't see how the cone would help. It looks like this is just there to fill the void between the impeller and the bowl outlet, so it would make the bowl more efficient.
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: hotrod56cars on March 12, 2008, 06:02:06 PM
... It looks like this is just there to fill the void between the impeller and the bowl outlet, so it would make the bowl more efficient.

Exactly.
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: Josh@JBP on March 13, 2008, 11:32:03 AM
It looks like I have .359 clearance between the bowl and the impeller (which is an aluminum A BTW) with an ID of 5.9 ish (it is hard to measure due to the bowl size and caliper configuration.
:o  Thats a big gap.  You should however wait and measure that clearance again after everything else is rebuilt.  If you use a shouldered wear ring alot may change.   

With that much clearance the pumpshaft may have been cut to move the impeller forward, in an effort to tighten up front side clearance(sometimes the impeller hub is cut instead).  Thats an old practice pump builders did b4 shouldered wear rings, and some still do. Often times they would also cut the register on the bowl to tighten up back side clearence (no stuffer needed).
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: speedymopars on March 13, 2008, 08:23:06 PM
:o  Thats a big gap.  You should however wait and measure that clearance again after everything else is rebuilt.  If you use a shouldered wear ring alot may change.   

With that much clearance the pumpshaft may have been cut to move the impeller forward, in an effort to tighten up front side clearance(sometimes the impeller hub is cut instead).  Thats an old practice pump builders did b4 shouldered wear rings, and some still do. Often times they would also cut the register on the bowl to tighten up back side clearence (no stuffer needed).

That was the other thing I was thinking of doing, cutting a bit off of the bowl - but I figured that would be more trouble than adding a stuffer. Any thoughts either way?
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: Josh@JBP on March 14, 2008, 10:54:06 AM
That was the other thing I was thinking of doing, cutting a bit off of the bowl - but I figured that would be more trouble than adding a stuffer. Any thoughts either way?

Adding a stuffer is reversable, cutting the bowl is not. Just keep in mind future rebuilds, upgrades or mods.
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: DOZZR on March 17, 2008, 11:00:44 AM
Ok, my lathe was down at the shop and the boat was here at the house, so it took a few days to get it shaved down to the proper specs overall I ended up with about  .038-.040. between the stuffer and the impeller Here are the progress pics.
First I tore it down, plugged the holes in the stuffer that originally fastened into the oil resevoir drilled and tapped the bowl for mounting it on the bowl housing,
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi148.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs8%2FDozzr%2FHPIM1003-2.jpg&hash=8e33108f869c445fc735ad6fb60edb3c3c442eb0)
Then I put some putty where the surfaces come together to check tollarances,
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi148.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs8%2FDozzr%2FHPIM0992-1.jpg&hash=193c4a193778b7e5a1df06e58a6f316354558531)
Next I re-installed the bowl, tightened it up, pulled it back apart, measured the thickness of the putty, when I got it right, I started re-assembly.
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi148.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs8%2FDozzr%2FHPIM1006-1.jpg&hash=560d51154c9f85f01d545136ea4b8d8aa08dc324)
Got everything polished back up and re-set the ride plate @ 2* up and Wala.....all I need now is my motor  ;D
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi148.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs8%2FDozzr%2FHPIM1008-1.jpg&hash=8bb96d57d7740d9c95e3ba2976628024d07188f3)
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: beerjet on March 24, 2008, 09:32:57 PM
Here's mine . I didnt do it so i cant tell you a single thing about it .  :-\

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-beerjet-
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: n8dawg on April 07, 2008, 06:38:20 PM
Nice work there John. That boat sure has come along way!
You guys are making me jealous! :P

Late,
Nate



Ok, my lathe was down at the shop and the boat was here at the house, so it took a few days to get it shaved down to the proper specs overall I ended up with about  .038-.040. between the stuffer and the impeller Here are the progress pics.
First I tore it down, plugged the holes in the stuffer that originally fastened into the oil resevoir drilled and tapped the bowl for mounting it on the bowl housing,
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi148.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs8%2FDozzr%2FHPIM1003-2.jpg&hash=8e33108f869c445fc735ad6fb60edb3c3c442eb0)
Then I put some putty where the surfaces come together to check tollarances,
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi148.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs8%2FDozzr%2FHPIM0992-1.jpg&hash=193c4a193778b7e5a1df06e58a6f316354558531)
Next I re-installed the bowl, tightened it up, pulled it back apart, measured the thickness of the putty, when I got it right, I started re-assembly.
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi148.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs8%2FDozzr%2FHPIM1006-1.jpg&hash=560d51154c9f85f01d545136ea4b8d8aa08dc324)
Got everything polished back up and re-set the ride plate @ 2* up and Wala.....all I need now is my motor  ;D
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi148.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs8%2FDozzr%2FHPIM1008-1.jpg&hash=8bb96d57d7740d9c95e3ba2976628024d07188f3)
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: jet boat performance on April 07, 2008, 08:36:16 PM
Nate we need to get you back in a HOT ROD  !!
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: realHawaiianJet on July 05, 2008, 02:41:31 PM
Here's mine.
(https://www.socaljetboats.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi248.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg178%2Fpatrickv8193%2FJet%2520Pump%2FDSC00873.jpg&hash=74e03a4039aab05f9d0efca7a0402db105cf0201)

I didn't buy this one, it came with the pump, so I don't know much about it. This is also before I discovered that I had the seal in backwards and before I smoothed out the silicone, so please ignore those areas. But, it's basically a plate with a cylinder attached to it, that sticks up and fits around the impeller collar. The bolt holes go into the oil cavity, so I had to put some silicone on the bolts when I installed them (I hope it's working, and isn't leaking into that area). What does a stuffer actually do for a boat? I know it seals off that opening, so that the water doesn't swirl around in there, and goes straight out the bowl. But, what is the advantage of this?

Thanks.
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: walshmotorsports on July 17, 2008, 10:42:19 AM
  I was wondering has anyone just done the bowl stuffer and tested the gains? I used to race Pro Jet Skiis for Kawasaki and the factory did no $$$ limit to make our stuff quick and fast. One thing I remember when settingup the pumps was getting the impeller close....but not to close to the veins was the key. Now for something like your stuffers I asked their engineers a very similar question, what they told me made perfect sense. Take a glass of water and swirl the water, the pump is working the same way so thats why they worked so much on the outer veins and not in the area you are putting the stuffers. We also controlled the pump press/rpm with countless nozzles to eliminate over rev and it also helped cavitation as well . I am getting ready to dive into my Dominator pump and was wondering how much this really helps. Thanks for your help guys!
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: ROMPERSTOMPER on July 17, 2008, 03:04:35 PM
  I was wondering has anyone just done the bowl stuffer and tested the gains? I used to race Pro Jet Skiis for Kawasaki and the factory did no $$$ limit to make our stuff quick and fast. One thing I remember when settingup the pumps was getting the impeller close....but not to close to the veins was the key. Now for something like your stuffers I asked their engineers a very similar question, what they told me made perfect sense. Take a glass of water and swirl the water, the pump is working the same way so thats why they worked so much on the outer veins and not in the area you are putting the stuffers. We also controlled the pump press/rpm with countless nozzles to eliminate over rev and it also helped cavitation as well . I am getting ready to dive into my Dominator pump and was wondering how much this really helps. Thanks for your help guys!


x2
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: GT Jets on July 17, 2008, 06:38:05 PM
  I was wondering has anyone just done the bowl stuffer and tested the gains? I used to race Pro Jet Skiis for Kawasaki and the factory did no $$$ limit to make our stuff quick and fast. One thing I remember when settingup the pumps was getting the impeller close....but not to close to the veins was the key. Now for something like your stuffers I asked their engineers a very similar question, what they told me made perfect sense. Take a glass of water and swirl the water, the pump is working the same way so thats why they worked so much on the outer veins and not in the area you are putting the stuffers. We also controlled the pump press/rpm with countless nozzles to eliminate over rev and it also helped cavitation as well . I am getting ready to dive into my Dominator pump and was wondering how much this really helps. Thanks for your help guys!

On our old aluminum race boat we took a pretty much stock 12JG suction and bowl with a modified stainless "A" and literally just bolted it in front of a fairly angry naturally asperated 468" Chevy (590 dyno verified HP at 6100rpm) and a 490lb. 18'6" tunnel hull and took it for a test run, pretty uneventful, but noticed it was easy to "vent" or "blowout" the impeller in small rollers at speed, had to back out of the throttle to keep the pump from sucking air in light chop, (an inducer will all but eliminate this problem). We pulled the pump and found signs of velocity burn in the stator (bowl blades) after only an hour of runtime. Keep in mind this boat runs 95-105 mph. As tested ran a gps speed of 89mph w/o correcting for the wind (was blowing at about 15mph).

Took the bowl and installed a very crude but effective stuffer plate and set in for about .040" clearance at the rear of the impeller, put it all back together and retested, the next day, the first notable difference was the loss of about 80 rpm, and an increase of cooling water pressure (went from 25# to over 45#) which equated to three turns on the control valve, the boat also ran a best top speed of 92 mph and had almost the same weather (maybe a little warmer) but the pump did not blowout or cavitate until you really pushed it and had to swerve back and forth slightly. When we pulled the pump apart again, the paint (zinc chromate primer) we sprayed into the stator was not even dulled. needless to say I was totally sold on a little piece of aluminum.

We took that pump and sent the bowl to Extrude hone and had it extruded with 220 grit and put it all back together with a newly installed inducer wheel and did not get any more MPH out of the boat, but did seem to have a little better out of the hole and recovered quiker when sucked air. Still have this pump (boat was totalled in 1997) and the engine is in my "little boat".

The largest drawback was the initial start up, this boat ran a fabricated snoot and was air tight with no blow hole, so we had to back the boat in the water running to prime the pump for the first time.
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: GT Jets on July 17, 2008, 07:58:46 PM
BTW I'm not a memory freak of nature, I kept the notebooks ;)
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: realHawaiianJet on July 17, 2008, 08:33:53 PM
  I was wondering has anyone just done the bowl stuffer and tested the gains? I used to race Pro Jet Skiis for Kawasaki and the factory did no $$$ limit to make our stuff quick and fast. One thing I remember when settingup the pumps was getting the impeller close....but not to close to the veins was the key. Now for something like your stuffers I asked their engineers a very similar question, what they told me made perfect sense. Take a glass of water and swirl the water, the pump is working the same way so thats why they worked so much on the outer veins and not in the area you are putting the stuffers. We also controlled the pump press/rpm with countless nozzles to eliminate over rev and it also helped cavitation as well . I am getting ready to dive into my Dominator pump and was wondering how much this really helps. Thanks for your help guys!

I think it's difficult to compare an axial flow jet ski pump to a mixed flow berk or dom style pump.
Title: Re: bowl stuffer installation..how to..pics/install
Post by: GT Jets on July 17, 2008, 09:11:16 PM
I think it's difficult to compare an axial flow jet ski pump to a mixed flow berk or dom style pump.


It's difficult, but possible...long read but kinda cool (I've had this for 11 years, but good info).


1) Axial Flow vs. Mixed Flow vs. Centrifugal Flow Pumps
2) Single Stage vs. Dual Stage
3) Pump Sizes and "X" Dimension
4) Variations
5) Materials
6) Future Development
PUMPS:


The jet pump is a water accelerator. It functions as a medium to convert
and/or transmit horsepower into thrust... it is a drive system. In the case
of Personal WaterCraft Vehicles, it not only creates thrust, but enables
handling. Handling is a by-product of vacuum, which is created at the
intake source.
The jet pump is a derivative of two separate technologies that when
combined, produce favorable results.... the propeller and a ducted
environment coupled with Bernoulli's venturi principles. There are several
variations of jet pumps that have evolved over the years. Most drive
systems were created to meet the demands of a given application,
requirement, or powerplant.


The jet pump is really several components combined into one. The Inlet or
Intake Gullet/Housing, the Ramp or Intake Grate, the Impeller and Shroud,
the Stator Section, the Venturi and Convergence Cone and last... the
Steering Nozzle or Thrust Deflector. A Gimbal Ring may also be found in
cases where a trim system is utilized. Some designs incorporate segments
together, i.e., the stator section and venturi as one integral piece. Each
one of these components plays an important role in the efficiency of the
jet-pump. Changing one of the components will induce change into other
parts of the system. But the pump by itself is not the sole ingredient.
There are many other factors that effect its performance including the
pumps vertical placement within the hull ("X" Dimension), the design and
displacement of the hull and how conducive it is to feeding the pump within
its given operational parameters and the powerplant that will drive the system.


Many factors within the pump will effect performance. Impeller RPM and
pitch, stator trajectory and length, venturi reduction and bowl area,
volumetric efficiency and laminar flow of the intake housing (including
laminar flow within the entire unit), "X" Dimension, length of travel and
compression (acceleration) ratios. Current jet pump design is no accident.
It is the culmination of many years of research, not unlike the modern
reciprocating engine or jet-turbine. What makes jet-pumps unique as a drive
system is their efficiency, reliability, safety and low drag factor. What
makes jet-pumps interesting to me is the plethora of designs that can
accomplish the same task. Again, much like the combustion engine. Consider
the numerous and diverse number of combustion engines and you have a good
idea of the potential of the jet-pump. (or what may have already been
developed!) ;-)


The jet pump has evolved as a drive system that is probably more valuable
today than its original designers anticipated. It is environmentally
friendly and litigation resistant. It is also produces much greater
efficiency within its given operational parameters in comparison to its
exposed propeller counterpart. For these reasons and more, the jet-pump is
considered by marine experts to be the drive system of the future, hence
its proliferation over the past several years into watercraft, mini-jet
boats, mega-yachts and commercial vessels. It has been the focus of my
tenure with contractors to the Defense Department for the last 15 years.



If you assumed jet-pump applications were only suitable for small light
vessels such as personal watercraft and California style big-block jet
boats.... you're in for a rude awakening. Jet Pumps have become the drive
system of choice for the some of the largest vessels in production. In
almost every application, with the exception of very high speed surfacing
hulls, the jet pump is considerably more efficient and more powerful than
conventional drive systems. On this note, I've heard engine builders and
"gurus" within the watercraft market make statements about how inefficient
the jet pump is. To this statement I must ask.... compared to what??


MYTHS AND TRAITS:


There have been many misconceptions regarding pump efficiency, the least
of which has been pump blueprinting. Theoretically, a smooth finish within
the pump walls and stator vanes would dictate a less disruptive flow. In
reality, the water exiting the impeller blade has been disrupted and
aerated so much... that the surface within the pump does not adversely
effect thrust density or velocity to the degree that one might expect. A
typical die-cast finish, void of casting flash, is sufficient. In the
1980's, my group pioneered a concept of porous walls within a pump housing
to extract air (reduce aeration), thus increasing thrust density. This is
"blueprinting" in my book! Not the balogny that engine builders pass off to
naive consumers in the watercraft market, thus lining their wallets!


Some pump designs will attempt to "straighten" or "true" water trajectory
more so than need be. While it's the function of the stator section to
accomplish this, it need not be perfectly true. There is a point of
diminishing returns due to drag against accelerated water. A slight
spiralling of expelled water is acceptable. Further attempts to "true" its
trajectory accomplish nothing, but slow expulsion velocity. However, there
is value in altering the pitch (and size) of the stators at different
mixture density levels for increased efficiency. Because the mixture of air
to water increases with speed (due to ventilation), the stator section can
provide a way to increase the volumetric efficiency of the pump when less
water is present thus increasing or maintaining pressure as needed. But
again, in performing this task, other components must vary in conjunction.
More on this later...


The efficiency of a jet pump (at various speeds) is highly dictated by
intake and expulsion dimension, hence the well known variable... increasing
venturi orifice size results in more acceleration and decreasing the same
results in more top speed. But there is yet another variable....increasing
or decreasing the volumetric area of the intake gullet to maximize vacuum
at varying speeds. A good example of this would be the comparatively small
intake diameter of the Yamaha WaveRaider, which is conducive to high top
speeds because it creates higher vacuum at speed, which draws in more water
with less ventilation. On the flip side, this same intake gullet is not
conducive to the best acceleration because it lacks the ability to take in
sufficient water mass for the best acceleration. For a better understanding
of the principle, look at the performance characteristics of the specially
built Raider Race Hulls, which used a larger intake gullet. This gave them
competitive acceleration, but resulted in a much slower Raider.


AXIAL FLOW PUMPS:


The Axial Flow Pump is basically a direct drive system. It accelerates
flow on the horizontal plane of the impeller. It is merely an impeller
within a shroud that encapsulates water spiraling outward, and forces it to
go backward, through a set of straightening vanes within the pump known as
"stators". Stators "true" the trajectory of the spiraling water and create
a catapult effect, further increasing the velocity in which water exits the
impeller blades. Velocity is then further increased by the venturi prior to
expulsion (on all pumps). Axial Flow pumps work against the laws of
hydrodynamics to some extent. They control water more than working with
water. They do not really take advantage of centrifugal force like their
mixed flow counterparts. The axial flow pump works much like a conventional
marine propeller, while the mixed-flow is more like a turbine, it builds
pressure. Axial flow pumps lend themselves to watercraft installations
because of their overall smaller diameter and because they work well in
high RPM/low torque environments.



CENTRIFUGAL FLOW PUMPS:


In contrast, the Centrifugal Flow pump capitalizes on the natural
direction water is traveling *after* it leaves the spiraling blades of an
impeller (outward). Likewise, the Mixed Flow principle is a hybrid of the
two logic's. Centrifugal (and Mixed-Flow) pumps take advantage of impeller
rotation, and thus the centrifugal force created by this rotation. They
offer a path of least resistance for water to travel when exiting the
impeller blades and rely more heavily on internal pump pressure created by
the impeller to create thrust. This type of system is torque driven, as
opposed to axial flows, which are more RPM driven. They rely on engine
torque to maintain adequate pressure within the pump and venturi. While
Centrifugal or Mixed Flow offer a path of least resistance for water
exiting the impeller blades, it also creates an indirect path to the
venturi that requires water to make an abrupt change of course to converge
within the venturi. It is by no means a direct system. But it has certain
advantages. Centrifugal Flow pumps build what is referred to as a "head" of
pressure, to the volume maintained within the pump and venturi, that can
give a split second more thrust when a loss of vacuum has taken place. In
other words, when your running across choppy water and encountering
cavitation due to air entering the intake cavity, the Centrifugal Flow unit
is holding a "reservoir" of water within the pump that it is still trying
to process. The downside to this is the increased time necessary to fill
the pump once the hull re-enters the water.


The Centrifugal Flow pump design incorporates more area within the pump
for acceleration, as opposed to an Axial Flow pump which is more direct
(remember, distance between two points is shortest in a straight line).
Because this type of pump makes water travel outwards before entering the
convergence cone (or venturi) a greater distance is realized and therefore
more area for acceleration is provided. It also incorporates a specific
design characteristic that has great value, and is only now being realized
by OEM and aftermarket manufacturers.... a gradual reduction in area
through the stators and convergence cone. The drawback to this style of
pump is the increased overall diameter of the pump, which is inevitable, to
allow water to "spread outward" for acceleration before expulsion.


MIXED FLOW PUMPS:


As previously indicated, the Mixed Flow Pump is a hybrid of the two
extreme design ideas found in Axial Flow and Centrifugal Flow Pumps. Mixed
flow is more direct than Centrifugal, but not as direct as Axial. It does
maintain some of the desirable characteristics of the Centrifugal pump,
such as increased area and working with water's natural flow and building
pressure, while still succeeding in delivering a relatively compact overall
size.



STAGES:


There are pro's and con's to each design. (like everything in life) The
Single Stage (one impeller) pump is most common due to it's low
manufacturing costs and ultimate reliability. The Dual Stage (twin
impeller) is a more efficient unit, but is more complicated, costs more to
manufacture and is inherently heavier due to its increased parts count and
size.


A dual stage pump works somewhat like a transmission, but without gears.
Water is brought into and through the first impeller (stage) and
accelerated to a velocity conducive to the pitch of the second impeller
(stage). This substantially increases velocity over a single stage pump,
but there are inherent problems. When water exits the first stage, its flow
has been violently disrupted, therefore, the second stage is receiving an
aerated mixture of water, thus reducing the efficiency of the second stage.
This is compensated for by the increased pressure that the dual stage pump
creates as a complete unit. This can also be compensated for with flow
feeding by-passes, to help saturate the last stage, but there are other
complications in doing this, such as varying density levels at different
power levels. There are many ways to refine these types of drive systems,
but but it is not the subject of this article and these drive systems may
be antiquated based on evolving new technologies. (no comment)  Also, the
rotation (direction) and the speed (rpm) and the stagger (size, pitch,
placement) of the impellers within a dual stage pump is critical and
variations will effect other areas of the system. There is another stage in
pumps that is not in-line, like a dual stage system. I hope to share this
with you in the future. (again, no further comment)


Pumps have plus's and minus's in comparison to "exposed" propulsion
systems. They are inherently inefficient at higher speeds when placed in a
recessed setting within the hull due to ventilation or air induction. There
are ways to make pumps more efficient, but this would require an all new
hull design to take advantage of surface piercing technology, the placement
of a specifically designed pump beneath the planing surface of the hull.
Pumps are *BY FAR* more efficient at producing thrust, as long as the
ventilation factor is removed from the equation, such as low to medium
speed operation. The differences between pumps are the applications for
their use and the power plants that will drive them. There are many
variations available in pump designs that will contribute to their
effectiveness in a given application.


CURRENT VARIATIONS:


The most significant variation in the Axial Flow pump for personal
watercraft vehicles is the incorporation of reduced area through the stator
section by increasing hub diameter. This essentially increases the velocity
though the stator section and reduces the amount of water needed to keep
the venturi primed. Whilw this will give a definate increase in vessel
speed, it may lack adequate mass for a level of acceleration we've become
accustomed to.


Another trend is larger diameter pumps. You can expect them to proliferate
as the increased weight of today's current PWC offerings continues to
escalate. Reason? If you increase hull weight (mass) you need more water
mass to offset the loss in acceleration due to the increased hull weight.
Bombardier recognized this fact and has addressed it with the new GSX
Limited, which features a 155mm inside pump diameter, as opposed to the
original 139mm pumps on all Sea Doo models to this date. A 16mm increase in
size may seem rather minute, but consider that a 1mm increase or decrease
in a venturi orifice makes a significant effect. Now you can appreciate how
sensitive pumps are to change. Same with props. One or two degrees equates
to fractions of an inch, but it can make or break performance.


Another significant design adaptation is Bombardier's half-hearted attempt
at surface piercing pump placement, as witnessed by the new GSX, GTX and
97XP models. In effect, if they had kept the original flat pad Sea Doo
keel, such as the runabout line, the placement of the pump in the new
models reflects nearly a two inch drop below original Sea Doo pump
locations. Because of the new deep "V" hull design, it appears the pump is
still in the same place relevant to the keel. In reality, it is much deeper
than previous models.


MATERIALS:


The most common materials used to produce pumps are aluminum, stainless
steel, bronze, and composites (such as graphite re-inforced nylons). The
difference in these material are wear factors, resistence to the elements,
weight reduction, construction wall thickness and cost to produce. Of these
materials, composite is clearly outstanding. It is uneffected by the
elements, it is light weight, it can be constructed with wall thickness
equivelent to aluminum (due to its geometric configuration) and per piece
cost is significantly lower (in quantities that parallel the PWC market).
Certain composites offer yet another commodity that their metal based
counterparts cannot, the ability to flex. This alone makes them the
material of choice for the future of jet-pumps.


THE FUTURE:


The future of the jet-pump has never been brighter, due to its wide
acceptance by manufacturer's that have the financial means for further
development and the incentive to do so. Ironically, much of the research
that is now being conducted by certain OEM's is merely a duplication of
previous work, but they need to find out for themselves. Actually, some of
the research that I've witnessed is quite archaic, in such as they are
using tools and measurements not unlike racers, the aftermarket and engine
builders have developed for drawing their own conclusions. There is an
enormous amount of data accumulated by purpose built marine/naval oriented
research facilities that should ensure information relevant to the design
and advancement of jet-pumps in the near future. Within the not so distant
future, expect an entirely  new concept in pumps to be adapted into your
favorite personal watercraft. That's all for now.


FORMULAS:


For those interested, the calculations (or math) is basic, but is somewhat
complicated and diluted by the additional factors of drag, displacement,
weight, etc.


The following legend is for reference purposes....


T       = Jet Thrust
Vb     = Boat Velocity
m      = Mass Flow
Vj      = Jet Stream Velocity
HPi    = Input Horsepower
EHP  = Effective Horsepower
n       = Number of Jets
EHPj = Jet Effective Horsepower
nj      = Jet Efficiency
np     = Propulsive Efficiency


The jet propulsion principle is the acceleration of mass flow through a
nozzle. It is represented by the equation:


T = m x Vj (Thrust (T) equals mass flow (m) x jet exit velocity (Vj).)


Water jet propulsion works on the same principle except that it does not
carry its water mass. Instead, it is drawn through an intake on the hull's
bottom. The penalty for this is that water has to be accelerated to the
vessels speed in order to be expelled at a greater speed. Thus we begin
one of many more new equations:


T = m x (Vj - Vb) (Thrust (T) equals mass (m) minus boat velocity (Vb).)


The EFFECTIVE Horsepower (EHP) of a given vessel at a given speed is
calculated as Hull Drag X Speed. The efficiency of the propulsion system
(NP) of the vessel is measured by dividing the EHP by the actual power
delivered by the engine (Hpi) multiplied by the number of engines and jets (n):


        EHP
NP = --------
        n X Hpi


The same formula can be applied to measure the efficiency of a given jet drive:


EHPj = T x Vb


and the efficiency equals:


        T x Vb
Nj = ------------
        Hpi


The formula for balancing the units of measurement is:


        T(lbs) x Vb (KTS)
Nj =  -------------------------
        Hpi x 323


I hate math.


Carl Camper, President
ULTRAC Performance Systems

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