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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2015, 09:12:53 PM »
Good point, I wasn't considering that application haha
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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2015, 10:22:31 PM »
What everything really boils down to with choices is application or just sometimes personal preference. So when looking at the real application if it’s going to see big power, pressures and speed, or what GT describes as far as use, then studs would be the better choice. But most lake and river cruisers won’t fall into that category. Kind of the same purpose with head bolts vs studs, removal often or holding big cylinder pressures, we would use studs, stocker to slightly modified and stay together, we would use good bolts. So one just has to know where you stand and what category your equipment really falls into, but I too have been known on many occasions with projects to go a bit overkill for the added strength, even though it wasn’t needed, it was just my personal preference.  :screwy:...I think I may have a slight touch of OCD...
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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2015, 07:08:30 AM »
What everything really boils down to with choices is application or just sometimes personal preference. So when looking at the real application if it’s going to see big power, pressures and speed, or what GT describes as far as use, then studs would be the better choice. But most lake and river cruisers won’t fall into that category. Kind of the same purpose with head bolts vs studs, removal often or holding big cylinder pressures, we would use studs, stocker to slightly modified and stay together, we would use good bolts. So one just has to know where you stand and what category your equipment really falls into, but I too have been known on many occasions with projects to go a bit overkill for the added strength, even though it wasn’t needed, it was just my personal preference.  :screwy:...I think I may have a slight touch of OCD...

The way I see it, overkill is barely adequate.

On most things.

Unless the bolts are installed dead nuts straight or less then 1-1/2" long, it gets studded.

Unit only need to have a problem one time to change the way you think.  LOL.

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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2015, 09:10:19 AM »
Can I get stainless all thread and cut it to length or do I need to get the expensive stainless ARP?

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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2015, 09:42:23 AM »
Can I get stainless all thread and cut it to length or do I need to get the expensive stainless ARP?

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  All thread is fine
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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2015, 09:52:07 AM »
  All thread is fine

What's the likelihood that I will want/need a wedge? Should I leave the studs long enough in case I do?

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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2015, 09:56:05 AM »
What's the likelihood that I will want/need a wedge? Should I leave the studs long enough in case I do?

Garrett
  I would most defiantly plan on a wedge.
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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2015, 09:56:46 AM »
  I would most defiantly plan on a wedge.

Ok, I'll leave an extra 2 inches.

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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2015, 09:58:03 AM »
Ok, I'll leave an extra 2 inches.

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a extra inch would be more then enough.
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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2015, 09:58:56 AM »
a extra inch would be more then enough.

Got it. Thank you.

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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2015, 10:02:30 AM »
Got it. Thank you.

Garrett
  Maybe this will help you as well.
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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2015, 10:05:36 AM »
Those seem pretty long, but I can match that.

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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2015, 10:08:20 AM »
Those seem pretty long, but I can match that.

Garrett
  They don't have to be that long just the way I have mine.  I was just sending the picture for the wedge so you have a idea of what you will need.
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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #38 on: August 25, 2015, 10:18:06 AM »
  They don't have to be that long just the way I have mine.  I was just sending the picture for the wedge so you have a idea of what you will need.

oh, makes sense. well better too long than too short.

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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #39 on: August 25, 2015, 06:19:00 PM »
Better?

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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2015, 07:18:28 PM »
Looks good should work fine.


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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2015, 07:47:57 PM »
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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2015, 07:51:02 PM »
Looks good should work fine.


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SCHWING!!!!

Thank you both for your help. And whoever told me about the gold mine that is McFadden Dale, thank you! I will be going back there for sure. They had 2" and 3" studs also, just not enough.

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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #43 on: August 25, 2015, 09:18:43 PM »
What do you guys secure the nuts with?
Loc Tite, nylon lock nuts, just lock washers ...?
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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2015, 09:48:11 PM »
What do you guys secure the nuts with?
Loc Tite, nylon lock nuts, just lock washers ...?

Red Loctite (262) the studs in the bowl and either lock nuts or blue Loctite (242) the nuts.

JMHO

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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2015, 01:22:26 AM »
  Maybe this will help you as well.


WOW, you needed more downward angle?  i see your wedge is set up to add more down thrust than up....
interesting...
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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2015, 05:05:34 AM »

WOW, you needed more downward angle?  i see your wedge is set up to add more down thrust than up....
interesting...

I'm sure the intention was to lower the thrust angle. Then the diverter is trimmed up to compensate. Of course you lose the huge tail but... Might be faster. I'm thinking of trying it myself.
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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2015, 06:14:14 AM »
I'm sure the intention was to lower the thrust angle. Then the diverter is trimmed up to compensate. Of course you lose the huge tail but... Might be faster. I'm thinking of trying it myself.
. Our diverters are locked out they can only go up and down so far. I have 4 degrees down and 3 degrees up movement in mine. When you install a droop they have roughly 3 degrees up in them so we wedge down. We have a 6' roost  max on a big nos pass if things are right. It's all about lift and attitude of the boat nothing else. The last thing I want to do is fly the nose in my boat. We do need them aired out but flat not nose high. The less degrees we use the better as we get from dig to aired out quicker


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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #48 on: September 01, 2015, 06:50:34 AM »
I'm sure the intention was to lower the thrust angle. Then the diverter is trimmed up to compensate. Of course you lose the huge tail but... Might be faster. I'm thinking of trying it myself.
wedges serve multiple purposes, Igained a couple mph with the wedge and I don't use a stop up or down because I'm not much of a racer and I just have a stock motor. My only purpose was to get the boat out of the water a little more, reducing drag and improve the ride. Also It still throws a nice little roost with a down wedge.
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Re: Droop won't fit over pointed plug on bowl?
« Reply #49 on: September 01, 2015, 09:32:25 AM »
Copy that gents.
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