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New guy, New Boat, Random Jacuzzi questions..(688hp)
« on: July 31, 2019, 08:13:11 AM »
For starters,

I am sorry that I am totally new to this "Jet" world, but I am learning every moment I got.  I work in the aftermarket performance world, however that is centered around drag racing, engines and tuning.  So all of this "Jet" stuff is totally new to me.   

Anyways, I have a boat that was actually featured on that Sunday morning TV show called "Engine Power" if any of you ever watch it.   I have a 540" BBC that made 688hp on the engine dyno.  The hull is a 74 Glencoe with a Jacuzzi WJ drive on it, and a hydraulic diverter.   

She runs pretty dang well, however, I have a few questions/concerns. 

1) At idle, there is a "rattle" or harmonic that comes from the drive area...is that normal?
2) Is this pump just a terrible idea for the power level this engine is at?
3) What would you all do if you had this thing? 

I have rode in some other boats making similar HP or 100hp more, and they flat out rip your face off and take off.  (BBC's with American Turbines).... mines alright and it is fun, but nowhere near that kinda performance.   So hence why I am reaching out to learn. 

I am attaching a photo of the rear pump set up it currently has...

Thanks so much in advance!
Erik



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Re: New guy, New Boat, Random Jacuzzi questions..(688hp)
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2019, 12:31:04 PM »
Jacuzzi's have a plastic wear ring.
If the boat has been started out of the water, once, it needs a new wear ring.

The impellers go from A to D.
The A is similar to Berkeley 2A,
Jac. B to a Berkeley  A, and so on.

The rattle could be three things,
The u-joints are worn out,
The spline yoke is worn out,
Or a stainless impeller has been known to rattle.

There is a stainless option in Jacuzzi impellers. Like finding hens teeth.

At over 500 hp, stainless is preferred. At 688 hp should be required.

It is a mixed flow pump, same as a Berkeley.

It already has the better shaft. Loaders would be a custom piece, as well as a ride plate and shoe.

The bowl and impeller could be changed over to a Berkeley set-up, as there are kits available.

Between the kit, and adding a ride plate and shoe to the WJ, a complete Berkeley pump set-up may be the best bang for your buck. All depends on where you want to go with this set-up, how fast, etc.

Tom @ Jet Boat Performance has the wear rings in stock. Also a plethora of information.

Jack @ MPD was the guru of WJ pumps. I don't know if he still works on pumps.

Hurry Round Hondo, a K (KJ) class 'jet boat', had a big blower motor, running a mostly stock WJ pump, was out racing and winning with the K boats. Until it was outlawed. This was in the early 70's.

And lot can be done with the WJ.
I have 2 of them (not for sale) and wouldn't think of replacing them with Berkeley pumps.

Btw, I also have a 74 Glencoe 19' jet. WJ pump. I'd like to see the rest of it.

Dan'l
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Re: New guy, New Boat, Random Jacuzzi questions..(688hp)
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2019, 02:22:41 PM »
I have the same pump I grease mine every time i go out and grease the u joints every other time. I for got to grease it a couple times and it started slipping a little. Greased it up and every time since it runs like a top. But either way it goes if ya want more performance Tom at jet boat performance has a aggressor kit for them.
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Re: New guy, New Boat, Random Jacuzzi questions..(688hp)
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2019, 05:14:49 PM »
I have the same pump I grease mine every time i go out and grease the u joints every other time. I for got to grease it a couple times and it started slipping a little. Greased it up and every time since it runs like a top. But either way it goes if ya want more performance Tom at jet boat performance has a aggressor kit for them.

Do you grease the bushing in the bowl?

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Re: New guy, New Boat, Random Jacuzzi questions..(688hp)
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2019, 03:35:43 AM »
Yes by the shaft and onnthe bowl

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Re: New guy, New Boat, Random Jacuzzi questions..(688hp)
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2019, 08:43:45 AM »

Btw, I also have a 74 Glencoe 19' jet. WJ pump. I'd like to see the rest of it.

Dan'l

So much info!  Thank you soooo much.

Its going to take me a bit to digests this, however here are some photos to share. :)

This boat was actually from Cali...then it came to TN.
I have enjoyed putting a lot of miles on here in the rivers of MO, and now here in KS.
This hull has gotten around. :)








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Re: New guy, New Boat, Random Jacuzzi questions..(688hp)
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2019, 11:52:01 AM »
Mine is considerably different.
Maybe a different model, I don't know.
Yours is more typical of a bubble deck.
Shallow entry. Shallow V

Mine might be a mini day cruiser?
Double step deck
Probably a deeper V, too.
With ~500 hp, I gps'd it at 71.8

Only seen one other like mine, here on scjb, for sale a few years back.

Nice looking float, should be good for some hp.

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Re: New guy, New Boat, Random Jacuzzi questions..(688hp)
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2019, 01:47:25 PM »
Mine is considerably different.
Maybe a different model, I don't know.
Yours is more typical of a bubble deck.
Shallow entry. Shallow V

Mine might be a mini day cruiser?
Double step deck
Probably a deeper V, too.
With ~500 hp, I gps'd it at 71.8

Only seen one other like mine, here on scjb, for sale a few years back.

Nice looking float, should be good for some hp.

Dan'l


To be honest, I just went by what is on the title (Glencoe)
But no idea if thats what it really is..

Its so bloody shallow its funny.  But it floats, it goes pretty dang well (78mph)
So frankly its all good in my book. 

I am going to do some inspections this weekend into the "rattle"
And then look into checking out the wear ring and other stuff. 

Lotta little details need to be fixed on this thing, but they can wait for our long winter.
Shes water worthy for now, and thats what matters. :)


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Re: New guy, New Boat, Random Jacuzzi questions..(688hp)
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2019, 06:16:16 PM »
Jacuzzi's have a plastic wear ring.
If the boat has been started out of the water, once, it needs a new wear ring.

The impellers go from A to D.
The A is similar to Berkeley 2A,
Jac. B to a Berkeley  A, and so on.

The rattle could be three things,
The u-joints are worn out,
The spline yoke is worn out,
Or a stainless impeller has been known to rattle.

There is a stainless option in Jacuzzi impellers. Like finding hens teeth.

At over 500 hp, stainless is preferred. At 688 hp should be required.

It is a mixed flow pump, same as a Berkeley.

It already has the better shaft. Loaders would be a custom piece, as well as a ride plate and shoe.

The bowl and impeller could be changed over to a Berkeley set-up, as there are kits available.

Between the kit, and adding a ride plate and shoe to the WJ, a complete Berkeley pump set-up may be the best bang for your buck. All depends on where you want to go with this set-up, how fast, etc.

Tom @ Jet Boat Performance has the wear rings in stock. Also a plethora of information.

Jack @ MPD was the guru of WJ pumps. I don't know if he still works on pumps.

Hurry Round Hondo, a K (KJ) class 'jet boat', had a big blower motor, running a mostly stock WJ pump, was out racing and winning with the K boats. Until it was outlawed. This was in the early 70's.

And lot can be done with the WJ.
I have 2 of them (not for sale) and wouldn't think of replacing them with Berkeley pumps.

Btw, I also have a 74 Glencoe 19' jet. WJ pump. I'd like to see the rest of it.

Dan'l


Thank you. I too am a firm believer in the WJ. Had a ton of work done to mine as well.

They do make a stainless wear ring for the WJ. I remember taking mine apart and having to cut the WR out.


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Re: New guy, New Boat, Random Jacuzzi questions..(688hp)
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2019, 12:10:42 PM »

Thank you. I too am a firm believer in the WJ. Had a ton of work done to mine as well.

They do make a stainless wear ring for the WJ. I remember taking mine apart and having to cut the WR out.


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I'm not a fan of a stainless wear ring and a stainless impeller.

Stainless impeller has the plastic wear ring, and aluminum impeller has the stainless one.

I bet a aluminium wear ring would work for a stainless impeller.

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