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SLCKREG

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exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« on: January 15, 2008, 07:26:19 PM »
just curious, wear ring? bushings? bearings? i'm not talkin over 20 or 30 sec? somebody should tell paul bassett that you can't run your boat on the ramp when you pull it out like he recomends to dry out ot  headers.
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2008, 07:28:33 PM »
Heat between the wear ring and impeller when ran too long dry.
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2008, 07:33:15 PM »
so how long is too long. it's a new rebuild i realize that makes it worse/tighter i have a hose therfore water. i just want to hear it before i tow it to the lake, if spraying water up its ass would help i'll do that.
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2008, 07:35:35 PM »
Ralph Brunt can answer your question!
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2008, 07:39:52 PM »
i will never run my pump dry again. i used to warm up my race boat before i raced and about mid way through the season we were getting ready to go to that avi deal. i started it up and all the sudden it screamed like a bearing and locked up my motor. i could crank my motor over but when it fired it screamed again and locked it up. i rushed it over to jim brock, he opened the pump and said you were running it dry. i hung my head in shame :-[ and admitted to my stupidity. granted my pump was set up tighter than most because it was for racing, but i have learned my lesson and will never dry fire my pump again. not even on the ramp........

edit: let me say this was with an aluminum impeller and may not be so bad with s.s or bronze, but i will not do it again
« Last Edit: January 15, 2008, 07:42:23 PM by Ralph Brunt »
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2008, 07:40:20 PM »
Ralph Brunt can answer your question!
you beat me too it ;)
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2008, 07:47:27 PM »
here are some pics !
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2008, 07:50:05 PM »
here are some pics !
i couldn't have said it better ;)
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2008, 07:51:21 PM »
You could always get a jet-a-way and not worry about it. $$$$
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2008, 09:08:01 PM »
so how long is too long. it's a new rebuild i realize that makes it worse/tighter i have a hose therfore water. i just want to hear it before i tow it to the lake, if spraying water up its ass would help i'll do that.
Don't run it dry at all; simply hook up a hose with a splitter or 2 hoses:
I'd never run without water, however, can run all you want if running water in it:
If you run water thru the pump, there is NO PROBLEM running it out of water.
I used flytime's idea: put a hose splitter on the hose; one hose from splitter has male connector, the other has female; disconnect interior hoses then connect to splitter hoses; turn pump water on before turning engine; turn engine water on after engine starts.
I read much on this; many say never do it, BUT, flytime told me he checked with Berkeley directly, then I emailed Berkeley and got a quick reply that it is NO PROBLEM if running water in the pump.
In fact, the Berkeley guy said run a hose up the nozzle; but it's better to disconnect the inside hose and run it directly into the pump (connecting another hose to run thru the engine to cool).
http://www.socaljetboats.com/index.php?topic=2493.msg33651#msg33651
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2008, 09:18:25 PM »
Tim,

I wouldn't say there is "NO PROBLEM" doing that....yes, its better then running it dry, but I personally still wouldn't recommend it.

Also, from what I have heard, the people who run Berkley now don't know crap about their own product. They cant answer basic technical questions about the pump. So based on that, I still wouldn't take what they say as fact. People like Tom at JBP, Jack at MPD, Jim at Cyclone, Shoemaker at GS Marine, etc know much more about Berkley then Berkeley themselves know. So if they say "dont do it unless you have to" ...I wouldnt say it's "no problem".

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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2008, 09:31:06 PM »
Tim,

I wouldn't say there is "NO PROBLEM" doing that....yes, its better then running it dry, but I personally still wouldn't recommend it.

Also, from what I have heard, the people who run Berkley now don't know crap about their own product. They cant answer basic technical questions about the pump. So based on that, I still wouldn't take what they say as fact. People like Tom at JBP, Jack at MPD, Jim at Cyclone, Shoemaker at GS Marine, etc know much more about Berkley then Berkeley themselves know. So if they say "dont do it unless you have to" ...I wouldnt say it's "no problem".

-Brad
Point taken; those folks surely know more than me; I still feel that as long as water is running thru the pump, just as it would be on the water, it should be fine; but I'll be sure to remove the 'no problem' if I post this again and make it an IMO.
Now go watch that gas tank  ;D
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2008, 07:42:23 AM »
Thanks for the input guys. A jetaway would be nice.
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2008, 07:46:47 AM »
You could always get a jet-a-way and not worry about it. $$$$
dont have the room even with the setback pump.
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2008, 07:58:58 PM »
dont have the room even with the setback pump.

I'm saving the guy money already.

Tim,

I wouldn't say there is "NO PROBLEM" doing that....yes, its better then running it dry, but I personally still wouldn't recommend it.

Also, from what I have heard, the people who run Berkley now don't know crap about their own product. They cant answer basic technical questions about the pump. So based on that, I still wouldn't take what they say as fact. People like Tom at JBP, Jack at MPD, Jim at Cyclone, Shoemaker at GS Marine, etc know much more about Berkley then Berkeley themselves know. So if they say "dont do it unless you have to" ...I wouldnt say it's "no problem".

-Brad

I'm glad you posted that Brad. I do have a tendancy(sp) to run my boat in the driveway for tuning purposes and other sh!t. I would imagine that bowl pressure does play some part in keeping things lubed. The only thing good about f'ing up my pump is then I would have an excuse to have Tom rebuild it for me and have it like new again. ;D
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2008, 08:41:34 PM »
If only I had a clutch 8)
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2008, 10:14:25 PM »
why you shouldn't run it dry....when you tow your boat down the road, gravel, dirt and lots of other junk makes its way into the pump, right into the impeller. now start the engine up without water to flush out the wear ring surface and the dirt gets ground up, ruining the surface of the wear ring and the impeller. Will it stop your boat from running? probably not. Will it take a great performing pump and make it not work as well? definately.

my old man ran his berk dry for 30 years. his holeshot sucked. nuff said.
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2008, 07:29:07 AM »
As a general rule of thumb, 2 minutes MAX with the hose. Don't do it often. Asking Berkeley "proper" is worth nothing, they've been bought out something like 3 times since their beginnings. They have ZERO original employees, and ZERO information aside from books and charts left behind. They don't even manufacture, let alone detail their own parts anymore. They send most of their work to a little shop in Mexico, kinda like Basset Headers....
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2008, 08:16:03 AM »
i was told if you run your boat at home to also put the hose up the intake.I dont no if that helps the pump at all maybe some one know different?
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2008, 08:20:14 AM »
any additional water is helpful.
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2008, 08:30:31 AM »
Thanks guys. I'm rewiring, new intake,new plumbing ect. I just wan't to make sure I don't have any issues before I tow it to the lake. I guess I'll stop running it for 30 sec or so everytime I pull it out as per Paul B.
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2008, 10:22:54 AM »
Just wait til you get home. unless you're running in salt water your internals wont corrode THAT fast! Well I don't know about elsinore/ming water though... looks kinda nasty to me. BTW its supposed to rain for a week straight starting tomorrow.
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2008, 10:27:46 AM »
all this talk and its only 4 bolts that connects the pump and motor.  ;) youre all sooo lazy!

j/k i know its a pain in the ass to remove drivelines.

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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2008, 10:28:01 AM »
I only woke up to 8" of snow today, but my sister has 2 feet and it's still going here in SLC. Thats my problem all the water here is slightly firm. ;D
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Re: exactly why? don't run your pump dry?
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2008, 10:30:07 AM »
It's always a cool feeling when you can walk on water...
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