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speedymopars

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The cure for first start blues?
« on: April 04, 2008, 07:32:43 AM »
I was thinking this morning - which is usually dangerous.


On an engine build, to save the bearings from the first time start, we use assembly lube in one form or another. This is basically a grease that will dissolve when oil flows through it, so that first run has full bearing lubrication and doesn't eat itself up even if it takes a while for the oil to flow.

On a jet, the only issue with running dry from what I can see, is the wear ring to impellor clearance (first time start - debris is an issue later). So what if I coated the wear ring with assy lube? I would obviously wash it out before the jet hit the water, BUT it would allow me to fire the new engine / new jet for the first time in my driveway without worrying about it being on the water.

Thoughts ? Other areas I would need to lube?
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Re: The cure for first start blues?
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2008, 08:33:10 AM »
just take off the drive shaft, and run it as long as you want. the aluminum impeller grows  with rpm or so i was told by jim brock, if you are running tight clearances it will eventually eat it self
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Re: The cure for first start blues?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2008, 08:37:01 AM »
just take off the drive shaft, and run it as long as you want. the aluminum impeller grows  with rpm or so i was told by jim brock, if you are running tight clearances it will eventually eat it self

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Re: The cure for first start blues?
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2008, 09:29:38 AM »
I was wonder if, you were to hook the hose up to the intake line to the motor and left the valve cracked some so that water could flow towards the impeller would that eliminate the need to disconnect the drive line and libe the impeller enough to run on the trailer?  I could also adjust the water pressure relief valve and fuel pressure before I ever hit the water?.   ???
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Re: The cure for first start blues?
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2008, 09:39:40 AM »
Unfortunately for me, I have to pull the engine to get to the the driveshaft.

Usually there is something that needs to be tweeked on first fire up, I was trying to do that in my driveway then go straight to water. The AL isn't going to grow that much with RPM, however it will grow quite a bit with heat. The pumps would eat themselves up in the water too if it was only about RPM. The water carries away all the heat.

In thinking about that, the assy lube probably would allow me a few minutes of run time, but probably not much more because clearances would still start shrinking with the heat generated, it would just give a little more time before destruction starts.

The intake line does put water to the jet, and seeing where it is, there would be some splash (though not much, it's on the wrong side of the ring) for lube, and the water would carry away heat.

The combo of assy lube and water may be enough to do a few minute test fire with a new pump without damage I'm theorizing. Once the pump has some time on it and the clearances are bigger, that would be more time you can run it assuming you clear the debris out.

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Re: The cure for first start blues?
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2008, 09:45:08 AM »
sounds like your mind is made up, so why did you ask for advise/opinions ???
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Re: The cure for first start blues?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2008, 09:52:34 AM »
 Ive heard you can do it with two hoses , one for the motor and one feeding water to the pump, cabletied to the intake great / loader ( dont let the impeller eat the hose !! ) ?  Any opinions on this idea ? 
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Re: The cure for first start blues?
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2008, 04:40:47 PM »
sounds like your mind is made up, so why did you ask for advise/opinions ???

Not really made up, just talking through it. I am actually leaning towards a "it's not worth it" answer.

I've built enough aluminum rod (and my current 528 KB is *completely* aluminum except for the rods, pins, and crank) engines to know how aluminum reacts to RPM's and heat. Your comment that it grows made me think about *how* it reacts.  My understanding of aluminum tells me the RPM isn't as big of factor as the heat would be - and I wasn't even thinking about the heat at all though it is a MAJOR issue. More RPM will make more heat and do it quicker, so that's probably why the two are linked.


Or maybe I'm completely wrong.



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Re: The cure for first start blues?
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2008, 05:23:30 PM »
The hose on my motor that runs between the motor and pumps has a disconnect in the middle. I hook a hose "t" to it. One goes to the motor, one goes to the pump. I have done this for years without problems. I know other people here have other opinions about doing this.
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Re: The cure for first start blues?
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2008, 05:46:06 PM »
Ive heard you can do it with two hoses , one for the motor and one feeding water to the pump, cabletied to the intake great / loader ( dont let the impeller eat the hose !! ) ?  Any opinions on this idea ? 
  on mine i have a hose go to a PVC "T" with water squrting up into the pump and another hose coming off of that up into the engine. that way the pump wont eat the hose and everything stays cool:) ;D  seems to work for me. just my .02 O0
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