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78Southwind

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Re: Pump Work
« Reply #100 on: April 09, 2015, 10:02:24 PM »
I was just wondering because i have not ran my boat yet. But I have converted mine to full stringer.

Let's us know how it works out once you get her wet. 8)
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bbfsouthwind

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Re: Pump Work
« Reply #101 on: April 10, 2015, 07:39:16 AM »
It may be a little while before it gets wet, have a baby girl on the way and buying a new house! I am entertaining rigging up a set of cav plates before I get the boat finished up. I have most of the hardware except the plates themselves. I had b1 do all the pump work, so it'll be a runner when it's done. Are you running a droop or a straight snoot?


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loweryjennifer

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Re: Pump Work
« Reply #102 on: April 10, 2015, 11:44:59 AM »
Jerry we will run both boat at the next run with gps with only u and Jason in them. 🚤💨


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78Southwind

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Re: Pump Work
« Reply #103 on: April 10, 2015, 10:27:48 PM »
Jerry we will run both boat at the next run with gps with only u and Jason in them. 🚤💨


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No I think we'll leave you in the boat that way I will win for sure.
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loweryjennifer

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Re: Pump Work
« Reply #104 on: April 10, 2015, 10:33:39 PM »
Lol. No u can leave me on the beach.


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78Southwind

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Re: Pump Work
« Reply #105 on: April 10, 2015, 10:46:12 PM »
It may be a little while before it gets wet, have a baby girl on the way and buying a new house! I am entertaining rigging up a set of cav plates before I get the boat finished up. I have most of the hardware except the plates themselves. I had b1 do all the pump work, so it'll be a runner when it's done. Are you running a droop or a straight snoot?


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It's the place HPH.
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bbfsouthwind

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Re: Pump Work
« Reply #106 on: April 11, 2015, 08:21:20 AM »
I never really had an issue with porpoise  before I pulled mine apart, but it had a stock 460, I did flip it but I didn't change the bottom at all I just repaired anything that wasn't perfect and smoothed the intake entry. I am curious to see how mine will act as I set my pump back a few inches to where the hand hole cover is half in half out of the boat. I have a shoe, ride plate setup. Lots of good info In here, I hope you get yours ironed out!


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78Southwind

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Re: Pump Work
« Reply #107 on: April 11, 2015, 12:18:06 PM »
I never really had an issue with porpoise  before I pulled mine apart, but it had a stock 460, I did flip it but I didn't change the bottom at all I just repaired anything that wasn't perfect and smoothed the intake entry. I am curious to see how mine will act as I set my pump back a few inches to where the hand hole cover is half in half out of the boat. I have a shoe, ride plate setup. Lots of good info In here, I hope you get yours ironed out!


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I don't remember a porpoise issue when it was a 60 MPH boat either. However, when I increased the HP a little bit it started porpoising. It's not really bad until the speed catches up to the RPM. I just think the hull was designed as an efficient hull for stock power. I don't think Southwind thought that boaters would be putting big power in them especially when they have quarter stringers (though I have heard the earlier 18's had full stringers but I have never seen one). There's a lot of lift with the large strakes and the center most lifting strakes ending halfway through the intake. If you look at a CP the strakes are much smaller but the innermost strakes do go all the way to the transom. If you look at the Rogers, Hallett and Bahner hull the innermost strakes all end before the intake.

What is interesting is that the Miller hull has a bottom very similar to the 18 Southwind. There is a really nice black and blue 81 Miller out there that had big power (900 HP) that ran really good but did have a hop out on take off but it didn't really seem to porpoise. Chris at B1 did the pump and Todd at TRG did the bottom. I wondering if the bottom had a 1/16 to 1/8 hook in it to cure the porpoise deal.

I have been reading about the Southwind porpoise issue for years and have collected information about it over the years. Here's a couple things the pros have been saying:

Jack at MPD posted that with the Southwind hull you should leave 1/16" to 1/8" of hook near the back of the hull. He said these hulls like it.

Jeff Bennett posted that the Southwind and all of its derivatives are very good boats, but often porpoise. That problem gets worse as speed increases, so that high horsepower versions are especially difficult to deal with. This means from my perspective what the hull needs is more than a blueprint, but a modification, which is substantially more difficult. Greg Shoemaker and I came up with a combination that resolved the Southwind porpoise last year that involves both a hull modification as well as a bolt-on change (Cavitation Plates). If you are going to work on the bottom, you might as well get it right on the first shot. Because of the complexity of this job, you might consider giving Greg a call.

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78Southwind

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Re: Pump Work
« Reply #108 on: April 11, 2015, 12:28:30 PM »
Here's a couple pictures now that the tabs are installed. I couldn't really get a measuring tape in there but just eyeballing it, it looks like the tabs should be perfect now.


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jet fever

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Re: Pump Work
« Reply #109 on: April 11, 2015, 12:55:26 PM »
Geez.  Your a better man than me. 

I'd slap a stockish used motor in it and Punt it away go drop motor is different Hull. 

My buddy had built 496 in his Dont matter when it rode like shit and your knees slap the dash.  I hated riding in that thing.  Now I know why he couldnt get it to quit the damn Hull was never gonna let it settle down.  Weak
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78Southwind

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Re: Pump Work
« Reply #110 on: April 11, 2015, 06:39:50 PM »
Geez.  Your a better man than me. 

I'd slap a stockish used motor in it and Punt it away go drop motor is different Hull. 

My buddy had built 496 in his Dont matter when it rode like shit and your knees slap the dash.  I hated riding in that thing.  Now I know why he couldnt get it to quit the damn Hull was never gonna let it settle down.  Weak
I hear ya. This was my first boat that I bought back when I was 20. That was 26 years ago so it has a little syntamental value to me. But if I was to do it all over again I would just buy a tunnel and be over with it.
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78Southwind

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Re: Pump Work
« Reply #111 on: April 11, 2015, 06:45:57 PM »
Well I tested the boat today and she still rides like a Cadillac and i picked up half of what I lost. The water was a kind of crapy so we will see maybe I picked up a little more.
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jet fever

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Re: Pump Work
« Reply #112 on: April 11, 2015, 06:56:06 PM »
Glad you got it worked out. 
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78Southwind

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Re: Pump Work
« Reply #113 on: October 27, 2016, 12:53:13 AM »
Here a picture of it running after the tabs were installed.  O0

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