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Luckie Stiff

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why doesn't this look right to me?
« on: May 29, 2008, 04:18:49 PM »
With all the talk lately about droops and snoots I thought about the one on my boat, we looked at it this weekend and decided that it was installed right, but then I looked again and it looks like it's upside down? Is it my eyes or is this thing not on right? BTW- at best I got a 3-4 foot roost with my diverter in full up, this is why I'm wondering.
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Brad @ SCJB

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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2008, 04:29:06 PM »
it looks right to me....if you look at the angel of the line between the droop and bowl vs the nozzle pin angel, its less. (4 degrees)

your pic doesnt look right at first glance, but its an optical illusion.

get your protractor out and get geeky with it.
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2008, 04:31:05 PM »
after looking at it again.....i am SURE its right.....look at the way the droop is cut on the nozzle side....it has more angel on it then the pin angel........so its just an optical illusion.
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2008, 04:32:27 PM »
When I put that droop on to get it off the floor of my garage I took it off twice to make sure it was right to. It looks weird for sure.
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Luckie Stiff

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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2008, 04:37:18 PM »
Ok that all makes sense to me, thanks for the replies.
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2008, 04:49:17 PM »
Its upside down..............

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Luckie Stiff

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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2008, 04:49:52 PM »
Its upside down..............

2sav

Ok son, now 'splain yourself
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2008, 04:55:42 PM »
Ok son, now 'splain yourself


Your getting a 3-4 foot roost cause its upside down, its pointing the nozzle down instead of giving you the 4-8 degree up angle that droops give........

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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2008, 04:59:44 PM »
I know yours is a mini but its the same except the up angle. mine has a 8 degree up angle. look at the pins

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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2008, 05:05:01 PM »
I tell you what , sell me the tahiti and i will fix it ;D

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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2008, 05:05:47 PM »

Your getting a 3-4 foot roost cause its upside down, its pointing the nozzle down instead of giving you the 4-8 degree up angle that droops give........

2sav


How can you tell it's upside down?
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2008, 05:22:25 PM »
Judging from the bowl side of the droop, it is on correctly.  On the nozzle side, it does appear that the pin angle is negative(down) as opposed to positive(up). What I'm wondering is whether that is somebody's one-off creation or a factory piece. Where did the droop come from? That is a very short droop.
« Last Edit: May 29, 2008, 05:30:56 PM by Oldsquirt »
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2008, 05:31:10 PM »
I'm not sure what brand it is, it was on the boat when I got it.
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2008, 05:35:28 PM »
To give you the up angle you need , the bottom pin should be farther out then the top pin to get the up angle you need.

Flip it and throw a bigger roost

Just my.02      but what do i know, i dont even have a boat.. ;D

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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2008, 05:46:39 PM »
you guys arent looking at the image right....

hope this helps.



the RED line should be ignored, its whats throwing you guys off. look at the pin angel vs the bowl angel.
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2008, 05:48:44 PM »
i dont even have a boat.. ;D

give us a good reason we all shouldnt kick your ass.
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2008, 05:49:19 PM »
you guys arent looking at the image right....

hope this helps.

(Attachment Link)

the RED line should be ignored, its whats throwing you guys off. look at the pin angel vs the bowl angel.



The black lines are still showing a down angle

2sav ???
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2008, 05:49:30 PM »
..........Flip it and throw a bigger roost

If he "flips it", it will no longer be a droop. :)

I wonder if it was a "cut and weld" job done specifically for a particular racer's needs. After all, best performance is generally found to be with a tail height in the 3-4 foot range. The  closest I could find from a pump manufacturer was the aggressor short droop. That one has a 3.5" positive pin angle, and looks very close to what you have.

If what you want is a big roost, then get another droop that has a high positive pin angle.
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2008, 05:52:39 PM »


The black lines are still showing a down angle

2sav ???

put the bottle down.

damnit skip, go measure the distance between the bowl and the top pin/bottom pin
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2008, 05:53:27 PM »


The black lines are still showing a down angle

2sav ???

look at it again. If the two lines were extended, they would intersect ABOVE the droop. That means that the droop has a positive(upward) pin angle.
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2008, 05:54:21 PM »


damnit skip, go measure the distance between the bowl and the top pin/bottom pin

Exactly! :D
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2008, 05:54:29 PM »
If he "flips it", it will no longer be a droop. :)

I wonder if it was a "cut and weld" job done specifically for a particular racer's needs. After all, best performance is generally found to be with a tail height in the 3-4 foot range. The  closest I could find from a pump manufacturer was the aggressor short droop. That one has a 3.5" positive pin angle, and looks very close to what you have.

If what you want is a big roost, then get another droop that has a high positive pin angle.

A bigger roost isn't necessarily what I'm after, I was just curious, Ralph's boat, with no droop, made a nice roost, I was wondering if the snoot being on wrong would hinder mine, I'm even  more confused
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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2008, 05:56:52 PM »
put the bottle down.

damnit skip, go measure the distance between the bowl and the top pin/bottom pin


I dont want to, i have plenty of reasons to be drinking now :banghead:  Im begining to think you guy's are right. The red line is throwing me off

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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2008, 05:58:44 PM »
give us a good reason we all shouldnt kick your ass.



Because gas is expensive, and its a long drive to Bullhead ;D

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Re: why doesn't this look right to me?
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2008, 06:30:04 PM »

Because gas is expensive, and its a long drive to Bullhead ;D

2sav

I don't think that is a good enough reason. 

Maybe I can "borrow" a school bus for a weekend trip to Bull Head  >:D

Who's with me  ;D
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