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WJ intake?
« on: July 25, 2022, 09:36:14 AM »
Hey guys, curious what hardware everyone is using to bolt their intakes into their boats. Someone rigged mine with carriage bolts. How bad is the process to remove them and install the correct hardware? The intake fins are pretty beat up as well what would be the best way to repair them? Thank you will drop some pictures below
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Re: WJ intake?
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2022, 06:04:07 PM »
I'm struggling to see the six bolts around the front.  The eight around the back look like the correct countersunk bolts.

Just to verify that everything is as it should be, the intake should be set with Heavy Duty Sea Goin' Poxy Putty and nothing else.   All of the load from thrust is transferred to the keel through this bond.

The intake screws provide a secondary mechanical attachment to the epoxy adhesive bond.  The screws themselves should be epoxy set to fill gaps, provide additional support, and seal the holes.

The screws can create a lot of drag, so it is good practice to fill and smooth over the top of the screws with epoxy.  When finished, it should feel like the screws are not even there.
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Re: WJ intake?
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2022, 09:18:12 PM »
without my glasses and me squinting the best I can, it looks like the 2 bolts at the front of the intake were fed from inside the bilge and stick out the keel.


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Re: WJ intake?
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2022, 07:46:11 AM »
I'm struggling to see the six bolts around the front.  The eight around the back look like the correct countersunk bolts.

Just to verify that everything is as it should be, the intake should be set with Heavy Duty Sea Goin' Poxy Putty and nothing else.   All of the load from thrust is transferred to the keel through this bond.

The intake screws provide a secondary mechanical attachment to the epoxy adhesive bond.  The screws themselves should be epoxy set to fill gaps, provide additional support, and seal the holes.

The screws can create a lot of drag, so it is good practice to fill and smooth over the top of the screws with epoxy.  When finished, it should feel like the screws are not even there.


I appreciate the reply from you guys thank you. When I get home from work I?ll post some better pictures

The intake is epoxied in place as you said. it looks factory and doesn?t seem to have been disturbed which is good. For some reason the guy before me used carriage bolts installing them with threads coming out of the bottom of the hull which makes no sense. Especially creating drag like you were saying. So I assume the proper fix is to remove the old 6 bolts and install the correct hardware using the proxy putty as well as covering the countersunk factory hardware.  I?m just want to verify with you guys this is the correct way to fix this. We?re having a 540 dart motor being built so we need to cross are T?s and dot our i?s. We?re OCD so we want everything to be as perfect as possible.

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Re: WJ intake?
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2022, 07:47:45 AM »
without my glasses and me squinting the best I can, it looks like the 2 bolts at the front of the intake were fed from inside the bilge and stick out the keel.

Yep exactly. There are 6 like that. Looks like the guy before me did a hack job for some reason. Trying to figure out the best way to fix it. I?ll post some better pictures when I get home from work.

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Re: WJ intake?
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2022, 03:15:35 PM »
Got the old bolts out!
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Re: WJ intake?
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2022, 06:13:10 PM »
Acquire some (12oz) Sea Goin' Poxy Putty.

Remove the suspect screws

Clean out any rust, dirt, incorrect adhesive/sealer, and anything else the new epoxy won't stick to.

Blow sanding dust out with clean dry air.  Any remaining sanding dust will act as a release agent and the fresh epoxy will not adhere properly.

Mix up equal parts of Sea Goin' Poxy Putty so  that the total amount is about the volume of a golf ball.  Use different sticks to remove each Part A and Part B so that you do not cross-contaminate the remainder of each container.

Note:  If cross-contamination occurs, it will ruin the epoxy as the curing process starts.

Have a cup of water handy.  Pack the holes full of the mixed epoxy.  Make sure that the epoxy squeezes out of the top of the holes, ensuring that there are no voids.  Wet your hands so that the epoxy doesn't stick to your fingers.  You can sculpt the epoxy to shape.  Work quickly so that you finish before the epoxy kicks.  You can clean up with a wet rag.

The bottom of the hull should be more or less flush with the surrounding fiberglass.  The epoxy should be slightly lower than the top surface of the intake.

Wait 24 hours.

From the top, drill down, all the way through the holes in the intake with a 1/4" drill bit.

You will need at least one 1/4" countersunk screw to measure that you are countersinking to the correct depth.  With an 82-degree countersink bit, countersink just deep enoug, so that no part of the screw head is hanging below the fiberglass.

Measure for screw lengths.  Most likely, you will need two, maybe three different length screws.  The rear of your oil pan sump is probably sitting directly over the front four screws, therefore the length of the front four screws will be the most critical.  I prefer stainless nylon locking jam nuts with AN washers.  You are probably going to need to cut the screws to fit.  You will probably also end up with different length screws for the front four holes.  I prefer three full threads protruding past the top of the nut, however one full thread is sufficient.  If the screw is flush with the top of the nut, or if the nylon is engaging the chamfer, the nut will come loose.

Note:  If the oil pan contacts the screws, the screws will surely wear a hole through the oil pan.

Cut and chamfer the screws to fit.

Note:  do not mix up the order in which the screws are to be installed.

Mix up a little more epoxy and form a bead just under the head of each bolt.  Be careful not to get epoxy on the threads where the nut will start.

Note:  have all of your tools and hardware ready before you mix the epoxy.

Install the screws and have a helper inside the boat ready to torque the nuts.  The intake hardware does not need to be gorilla tight.

After all the screws are torqued, fill over the top of all of the screw heads, so they can be sanded flush.

Note:  Sanding Sea Goin' Poxy Putty is a miserable experience.  It is worth the effort to sculpt the epoxy to near net shape, leaving only enough to sand flush.  Do not smear a big glob and expect to sand it smooth.  The fiberglass actually sands easier than the epoxy.  You need to be careful that you don't make the bottom wavy.

It is very important that the area around the intake be smooth and straight.  This area is the interface between the hull and the water.  Very minor low spots and imperfections can be filled with Bondo Glass fiberglass filler.  Finish sand with 80 grit so that the direction of sanding scratches are all inluine, front to rear.

It would be a good idea to seal the raw glass, epoxy, and Bondo with at least primer.  Finish scuff with 80 grit, sanding front to rear.

Final Note:  While you are there, make sure the transition from the fiberglass intake into the aluminum intake is seamless.

Cheers,

Joe
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Re: WJ intake?
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2022, 06:58:17 PM »
Acquire some (12oz) Sea Goin' Poxy Putty.

Remove the suspect screws

Clean out any rust, dirt, incorrect adhesive/sealer, and anything else the new epoxy won't stick to.

Blow sanding dust out with clean dry air.  Any remaining sanding dust will act as a release agent and the fresh epoxy will not adhere properly.

Mix up equal parts of Sea Goin' Poxy Putty so  that the total amount is about the volume of a golf ball.  Use different sticks to remove each Part A and Part B so that you do not cross-contaminate the remainder of each container.

Note:  If cross-contamination occurs, it will ruin the epoxy as the curing process starts.

Have a cup of water handy.  Pack the holes full of the mixed epoxy.  Make sure that the epoxy squeezes out of the top of the holes, ensuring that there are no voids.  Wet your hands so that the epoxy doesn't stick to your fingers.  You can sculpt the epoxy to shape.  Work quickly so that you finish before the epoxy kicks.  You can clean up with a wet rag.

The bottom of the hull should be more or less flush with the surrounding fiberglass.  The epoxy should be slightly lower than the top surface of the intake.

Wait 24 hours.

From the top, drill down, all the way through the holes in the intake with a 1/4" drill bit.

You will need at least one 1/4" countersunk screw to measure that you are countersinking to the correct depth.  With an 82-degree countersink bit, countersink just deep enoug, so that no part of the screw head is hanging below the fiberglass.

Measure for screw lengths.  Most likely, you will need two, maybe three different length screws.  The rear of your oil pan sump is probably sitting directly over the front four screws, therefore the length of the front four screws will be the most critical.  I prefer stainless nylon locking jam nuts with AN washers.  You are probably going to need to cut the screws to fit.  You will probably also end up with different length screws for the front four holes.  I prefer three full threads protruding past the top of the nut, however one full thread is sufficient.  If the screw is flush with the top of the nut, or if the nylon is engaging the chamfer, the nut will come loose.

Note:  If the oil pan contacts the screws, the screws will surely wear a hole through the oil pan.

Cut and chamfer the screws to fit.

Note:  do not mix up the order in which the screws are to be installed.

Mix up a little more epoxy and form a bead just under the head of each bolt.  Be careful not to get epoxy on the threads where the nut will start.

Note:  have all of your tools and hardware ready before you mix the epoxy.

Install the screws and have a helper inside the boat ready to torque the nuts.  The intake hardware does not need to be gorilla tight.

After all the screws are torqued, fill over the top of all of the screw heads, so they can be sanded flush.

Note:  Sanding Sea Goin' Poxy Putty is a miserable experience.  It is worth the effort to sculpt the epoxy to near net shape, leaving only enough to sand flush.  Do not smear a big glob and expect to sand it smooth.  The fiberglass actually sands easier than the epoxy.  You need to be careful that you don't make the bottom wavy.

It is very important that the area around the intake be smooth and straight.  This area is the interface between the hull and the water.  Very minor low spots and imperfections can be filled with Bondo Glass fiberglass filler.  Finish sand with 80 grit so that the direction of sanding scratches are all inluine, front to rear.

It would be a good idea to seal the raw glass, epoxy, and Bondo with at least primer.  Finish scuff with 80 grit, sanding front to rear.

Final Note:  While you are there, make sure the transition from the fiberglass intake into the aluminum intake is seamless.

Cheers,

Joe

Thank you joe,

I really appreciate you taking the time out to explain this process to us. Guys like yourself are hard to come by now a days. We?re drag racers experienced in proline motors and turbos/blowers so jet boats are a new world for us. Again thank you for your time and energy for pointing us in the right direction as well as the detailed instructions. Will definitely talk soon

Erik
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