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88CARRERA

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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2010, 06:50:52 PM »
cool that you are asking for help or pointers rather than dinging up your boat. just dont panic, leave in in nuetral position and just bump it forward then nuetral,
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2010, 07:21:15 PM »
sweeet... all this info is great.. i didnt kno half the stuff you guys are telling me... i just need to get it in the water.. hopefully after memorial day.. i still got work to do.. i just got my brand new hub to go with my 10 year old steering wheel... hah
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2010, 07:18:49 PM »
No one mentioned "no wake zone" wander.   If your boat (mine's 23') walks going slow, when the bow runs right turn left, when it stops going right return the steering wheel to center.
If you wait for the bow to center you over steered.    ::)
Jets are great, we load from a lake.  My wife holds about 10" of winch line and I drive right
up to the stop.  Hook, two or three cranks and we're outta there  ;D
I put 12" keel centering rollers all the way up, that's all it needed.  Yea, wind can make
more interesting  :o
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2010, 07:49:03 AM »
I also like to hand load mine. This may hurt having been a SeaDoo'er yourself but watch out for the SeaDoo retards. They will run into you. They will crash near or in front of you. They don't use their brains. Your friend who says he knows how to drive your boat but doesn't own one, should remain a passenger. SandBars hurt, keep your legs out from under the deck. If a guy in another boat waves you away from him... it's because you're going to swamp him if you get any closer. You can sink your friends boat by filling it up with your diverter, lol.
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2010, 08:15:02 AM »
I also like to hand load mine. This may hurt having been a SeaDoo'er yourself but watch out for the SeaDoo retards. They will run into you. They will crash near or in front of you. They don't use their brains. Your friend who says he knows how to drive your boat but doesn't own one, should remain a passenger. SandBars hurt, keep your legs out from under the deck. If a guy in another boat waves you away from him... it's because you're going to swamp him if you get any closer. You can sink your friends boat by filling it up with your diverter, lol.
also if another guy driving a boat waves to you. WAVE BACK. its guy code for,  hey i see you therefore i will not run into you.
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2010, 09:14:21 PM »
 i kno seedooers are dumb.. i was one haha.. thanks for the steering tips... i probably would of kept steering...
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2010, 10:58:01 PM »
this thread should be turned into a guide book and handed out to all newbies.  it scares the hell outta me how some of the guys i boat were so oblivious there first time out...
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IRRebel

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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2010, 11:39:34 PM »
this thread should be turned into a guide book and handed out to all newbies.  it scares the hell outta me how some of the guys i boat were so oblivious there first time out...

X2! I feel VERY fortunate I met Nordie the first time I launched my boat, late in the day on a Friday at an event who said "First boat, right? Just stay in the NWZ and learn the controls" All the while he watched me and said "Practice coming up to the dock" . Next morning at launch time, he said "Stick with me" and I did, mostly. learned a lot that first 12 or so hours, and, short of nearly over running Crewcheif, no real problems.  :thumbup:

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River Roy

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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2010, 04:55:36 AM »
Another important thing is to always know where you are and if you don't be very aware and "Read the Land" it will tell you a lot about the water and it's bottom, Jets of course have less to worry about with water depth but you still need to worry/watch.

When river running you can get an idea about the bottom by looking "reading" the land, As a rule the steeper the slope leading to the waters edge continues for a bit after entering the water, and don't be fooled into thinking the middle is the deepest a lot of times it is not. If one side of the river bank goes up a steep hill/cliff and the other side is a gentle grade up or swampy and flat, I be hugging the cliff side but not to close to hit big boulders rocks that might be stacked/piled along the side.

Watch Islands on rivers also, Most have "Tails" that trail off the bottom tip of the island that can be a slight sand/gravel bar mixed with any other debree that came down river and got caught in that back swirl current that islands some times make.

Waters change, Here is Pennsylvania the river bottoms change more then people think, Ice jams that make temporary dams and floods will change the river by actually moving sand/gravel bars, eroding the banks and adding tree's stumps and boulders. So keep in mind things change.

If thats not enough you must never forget that everything I said could be wrong and mother nature just decided to throw a curve and you will crash by doing everything right, A 55 gallon drum that was invisible about 1 foot under water in a 25 foot deep pool on a bright blue beautiful day that took my buddies outdrive off and scared the buzz outta everyone onboard comes to mind.

My point, try to be prepared for anything at any time and pay F@cking attention at all times...   Roy.
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2010, 05:58:16 AM »
This happened to me while watching The Great Cow Rescue last weekend.
I was focused on the cow and didn't notice that I was floating onto a rock/sand bar until it was just about too late.  As I tried to motor away I discovered that I couldn't move the lever out of reverse.  I had to back up all the way to the center of the river, to give myself enough time to get to the back and physically pull up on the bucket as it was jammed with gravel.  I ripped off a fingernail but I was able to regain forward thrust without too much drama.   Another 10 seconds of inattention though, and I would have been pushing a 23 ft. boat off a sandbar against the current.   Of course if I had had a prop that inattention would have cost me hundreds of dollars.
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sandeggo

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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2010, 08:04:37 AM »
Another important thing is to always know where you are and if you don't be very aware and "Read the Land" it will tell you a lot about the water and it's bottom, Jets of course have less to worry about with water depth but you still need to worry/watch.

When river running you can get an idea about the bottom by looking "reading" the land, As a rule the steeper the slope leading to the waters edge continues for a bit after entering the water, and don't be fooled into thinking the middle is the deepest a lot of times it is not. If one side of the river bank goes up a steep hill/cliff and the other side is a gentle grade up or swampy and flat, I be hugging the cliff side but not to close to hit big boulders rocks that might be stacked/piled along the side.

Watch Islands on rivers also, Most have "Tails" that trail off the bottom tip of the island that can be a slight sand/gravel bar mixed with any other debree that came down river and got caught in that back swirl current that islands some times make.

Waters change, Here is Pennsylvania the river bottoms change more then people think, Ice jams that make temporary dams and floods will change the river by actually moving sand/gravel bars, eroding the banks and adding tree's stumps and boulders. So keep in mind things change.

If thats not enough you must never forget that everything I said could be wrong and mother nature just decided to throw a curve and you will crash by doing everything right, A 55 gallon drum that was invisible about 1 foot under water in a 25 foot deep pool on a bright blue beautiful day that took my buddies outdrive off and scared the buzz outta everyone onboard comes to mind.

My point, try to be prepared for anything at any time and pay F@cking attention at all times...   Roy.
here on the river, the easy thing to do to read the bottom, especially at big river where it can get very shallow is wear polarized sunglasses. i have found that oakley or maui jims work the best. it allows you to see the bottom when its shallow. stay away from the light spots and head towards the dark ones.
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2010, 12:32:58 PM »
how shallow is too shallow?? i know in a seadoo u want a few feet cause the jet sucks up all the shit and its the same in a jet boat/..... right??
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2010, 12:47:32 PM »
I've spent many an hour digging rocks out of Moo's impeller. Brad helped me one time with a 30" prybar. not fun. depends on how clear the water is. Most rivers, if you can see the bottom, it's too close. At Mead, in March, I could see the bottom and it was 12 feet or so down. It's all relative I guess. I don't know that even 24" of clearance from your intake is all that safe. Kinda one of those figure it out as you go kinda deals. I haven't had a rock since Big River last year. I attribute that to better following skills and using my head when it comes to beaching. But they'll STILL get through there from time to time. I've just been lucky.

Kinda why I'm going with Nick's race loaders. damn lake loaders and rock grates didn't do anything for me, might as well have some performance if I'm gonna be diggin rocks out of there anyway........

Ray
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River Roy

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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2010, 12:48:18 PM »
how shallow is too shallow?? i know in a seadoo u want a few feet cause the jet sucks up all the shit and its the same in a jet boat/..... right??

All depends on the boat, how it's loaded, Plan on stopping? Real skinny water runners will actually skip over ground from pool to pool to keep going, rough on equipment but defintetlny a good time. Here is a link to Skinny Dippers video's, watch a few of them, They know how to play in the skinny.  ..   RR

Edited to Add: Don't try this at home, these boats are all aluminum with teflon or steel plates on the bottom and built especially for extreme shallow (Sometimes no water) water, You will trash your fiberglass boats doing this. (Had to clear my conscience  :) :))..   RR
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2010, 01:14:17 PM »
I think Tom (JBP) told me not to hammer it from a start in less than 5 feet of water because it can suck stuff from that deep.   I admit I don't always follow that advice.  "If you can see the bottom ..."
is good advice, but frequently if you can see the bottom, it is happening at speed and generally everyone says DON"T slow down, if fact speed up.   So I dunno.  At some time or another, you will suck some stuff.  don't sweat it too much.
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2010, 02:24:34 PM »
after you learn how to drive it....here is your next set of instructions...

(douche bag alert)

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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2010, 06:15:16 PM »
If you look close you will see a nice basketball sized dent in the rear door of the Burb. That was from my boat attacking my truck during a trailer drive on.  :mad:


I had been a drive on style guy for several years before that. And to be fair to myself I wasn't a total retard that day because I had just installed a diverter and was having trouble with reverser adjustments but...

Been walking it on ever since!
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2010, 06:59:11 PM »
i been driving on my trailer since day one...unless a heavy current then i yell HELP, but otherwise i have always drove on the tailer no problems...i am just used to the fact that i half to go get the truck back it in go get the boat then drive it on the trailer! sometimes people that ride with me arent alot of help! however i have been spoiled because Nordic 454's wife is an excellent truck driver, and backs the trailer for me down the ramp better then most men! so when me and brandons boats are running she gets theirs out of the water and then goes and gets my truck! anyway its not bad the fwd reverse is your friend, and a nice calm idle! a little finess and it aint so bad! plus i got a bitchen slide accross the bow act so i can hook the boat up to the tailer...practice will make perfect! and at some point you will never half to get wet taking the boat off the trailer and putting it back on
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2010, 07:19:01 PM »
dents and me dont mix.. walking the boat on is winning this debate so i think ill just walk it on.. sounds smarter, easier, and u need less skillzzz to do it...
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2010, 08:07:46 AM »
how shallow is too shallow?? i know in a seadoo u want a few feet cause the jet sucks up all the shit and its the same in a jet boat/..... right??
i have driven my little 16' in about a foot but i was already on plane and was not letting off. it was very very sketchy. i know it was a foot because coming back down river we floated and i got out where the section was. it was +/- a foot deep
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2010, 07:18:45 PM »
Here are a couple of things to keep in mind when driving a jet boat that I learned:

I found that idle RPM and full forward on the control arm, do not produce a speed SLOW enough for docking encounters. For slow speed maneuvering near the dock, use the forward / reverse control lever between neutral and 3/4 forward, to control forward speed enabling the boat to just inch forward, occasionally into reverse, so the boat goes slower then idle full forward.

Steering in close proximity to other boats and the dock require some understanding of jet dynamics, in that the jet pushes the rear of the boat around to steer. Much like a forklift with the steering wheels in the back. Very unlike a car which steers with the front wheels. The difference is dramatic when you consider that when turning a car the rear wheels follow a track circle TIGHTER then the front wheels, while the Jet boat, has the track circle LARGER in the rear when turning.

When snuggling up to the dock in parallel you should practice how your boat reacts when you want the rear or the front to snuggle in.
When in full reverse and with the wheel turned all the way to the left, you suck the back in left, but the nose goes way right, but if you then push the direction control lever full forward, the nose goes left, but the rear goes way right. Can be very weird the first time doing it, and I found that practice without a river current helps; like on Lake Mohave at the floating potty. It makes a good practice site to figure this dynamic before pulling up to the fuel pump at AVI, or the loading dock at the end of the day. Then add current like at the dock just outside of the launch area at AVI, and the thrills really begin!.  I was amazed at how hard I grip the forward / reverse control arm, just to get the boat to do what I want, because of all the tension you feel in trying NOT to damage the boat when approaching.

When pulling anybody with a rope in the water, be super mindful of what the rope is doing especially during slow speeds. Generally, it's a bad idea to leave the helm with the engine idling even for a few seconds to help someone at the back of the boat, because it is so easy to suck the rope. Keep a serrated knife on board, because a razor blade takes forever, and may NOT cut the rope wound around the shaft, but the knife will. The area in the pump you have to maneuver around in, to cut the rope is tight at best near impossible at worse, an I found that the broken handle steak knife works pretty good. I got one from the 99c store in Laughlin, so nothing fancy. I broke the handle to make it shorter and give more "sawing" room.  (Been there)  :banghead:

If you suck the rope, know that although there is an inspection hole, if you take that cover off while floating, in an effort to cut the rope, you won't be floating for very long.   :) Water pours through there REALLY fast, so even beached, you would want the pump side inland.

Hard throttle in shallow water to get the boat going from a stand still, is a No, No, because the boat is forced down in the back, putting the intake close to the bottom, allowing foreign objects to damage the pump as they are sucked up from the bottom. Rocks and sand do damage, Reeds act like ROPE, and floating plant stuff clogs the intake grate. If the boat seems fine, but you give it full throttle and it seems to do nothing for your forward motion, try stopping the engine and dropping your self into the water at the back. Take a deep breath and drop below the water pulling yourself toward the intake grate of the pump. You will probably find a huge pile of plant debris that you can clear away from the grate. This has happened to me several times, and this does the trick.

Although the Jet is a simple mechanical pump, it sure seems like it is easily damage by ingesting anything but water. Forget rocks, even sandy water can be a huge problem, and although I thought I was being careful, I have had to rebuild the pump 3 times in 5 years because of fun on the river. Now, I am on Mojave for fun.

Anyway, boating is a lot of fun and a great family adventure that creates good memories.
As long as you are mindful of these things, good times are bound to happen in a Jet Boat.



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countryboyaustin

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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2010, 07:27:39 PM »
With everything I hear from you guyus about the river I am SO glad that i play on a clean water deep lake! Our lake is 62 miles long 100+ feet deep and clear as they get. Thanks yall make me feel happier about my local lake!
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2010, 07:50:59 PM »
One other thing on the depth of water you run in.   When your boat is loaded it digs deeper when you take off.   Mine pulling 4 skiers seemed like it blew a hole about 6' deep behind us when we started out WFO.

So, don't be in 5 feet of water with a full boat and nail it.  My boat is 23' and I would bet it digs deeper than a 16 footer but I do think it's something to be aware of.

Welcome to the club  ;D
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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2010, 12:29:56 PM »
With everything I hear from you guyus about the river I am SO glad that i play on a clean water deep lake! Our lake is 62 miles long 100+ feet deep and clear as they get. Thanks yall make me feel happier about my local lake!
keep your lake brother... ill keep my river where the water is smooth
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1972Challenger

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Re: how to drive a jet boat
« Reply #49 on: June 02, 2010, 10:35:12 PM »
you guys sure do give out alot of info.. haha all good stuff.. i like reading everything... it gives me insight and know how... also it tells me how not to piss you guys off on the water... i will hopefully have my boat in the water in a month or so... gotta pull the carb, do a rebuild, fix some wiring, and replace my ignition switch... then she(hopefully) will be all done and ready to go
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