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Jet Pumps / a
« on: January 14, 2013, 04:39:42 PM »
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Hulls / Considering a 19' Daytona
« on: November 15, 2012, 08:05:40 AM »
So I've been thinking lately about my direction with my Rogers. I like the boat. To complete the project I expect another $10 to $15k would do it. For that I could buy a 19' Daytona, move my engine over and maybe a few other things. Take what is in the Daytona and put in the Rogers and sell it for $5 or $6k. The Daytona would have to have the pump pretty much set up for me to buy it. Clean paint job as well.

My Rogers runs to 86mph in 6 seconds with a stock intake. Based on my research having my pump set back is worth about another 10mph. Changing the impeller may increase this as well. I'm running a AA now.

How much more would the Daytona run with my engine? 10mph, 15mph, 20mph?
I feel pretty safe running the Rogers to 100mph, How much faster would the Daytona run before it goes airborne? I know it's a fine line, I would prefer to stay right below the death defying line getting as close as I can  :screwy:

I want one of the quickest boats on the river, not the fastest.

When you look over a Daytona what exactly are you looking for? Good and Bad

Thanks for the opinions guys

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / !!!!!LESS BOOST!!!!!
« on: October 26, 2012, 08:29:44 AM »
Sometimes less is more.

Woke up at 4:30am Saturday and headed for the river to try out the 13psi pulley. Got on the river about 11 and I didn't like the way it was running. Didn't sound right and didn't feel right. Jesse was right in that I would probably need a surge valve with this much boost. Several other thoughts came to mind as I experimented. I put the 9psi pulley back on and started the tuning process again. This is all trial and error to find what we're looking for here. I believe I am at the best place I can be with my current set up. I run quick and hard to a max speed of 86mph in about 6 seconds. My pump is pushing as much water as it can. My intake is stock and yes my next step will be to change this. Need Cash  :screwy:

My engine is set up strong, but with the iron square ports heads (mildly ported and polished) I think they are only going to flow so much. AFR heads are on my wish list, but again it's about the cash flow.

I'm bummed I didn't take the time to stop and meet you guys at Buckskin for the 21' boat race, but at the time I was tired and in a place to get my Rogers running right.

Lots of time this off season to do stuff, hopefully business will pick up and the cash flow will allow some big changes sooner than later.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / !!!!!!!!!! MORE BOOST !!!!!!!!!!
« on: October 02, 2012, 05:41:53 PM »
Decided to push it. Called Procharger and the next pulley is 13 psi so what the hell let's go with it and see what happens  >:D

At 9 psi and my pump set up the way it is 5200rpm at 85mph (GPS) is about it. If I was turning 6500rpm then the boost increase might not be wise.

The paint on my intercoooler was coming off so I decided to remove it all. I think it looks better now.

Occasionally I would blow my hoses off the system so I went with blue turbo hose and heavy duty clamps.


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Hulls / Which Rogers Hull do I have?
« on: August 30, 2012, 07:36:06 AM »
I've come to realize I don't know as much about the Rogers hull as I would like too. How many different styles were there in 1974? Is mine the Bonneville Bubbledeck? What's the difference with the TR? I still have my original seats, the passenger seat is a sideways bench. The bow is sealed about 3 feet in from the steering wheel.

I'm building mine because I got hooked many years ago after going for a short ride in my brother-in-laws. His dad is one of those old school guys that built many race cars & boats. This Rogers was a 74 Bubble like mine. Blown nitrous with a pump that was detailed and set back by Roger himself. This was in the early 90's, when asked if he went 100mph it was always I doubt it. One of his last runs on the river he raced a guy who claimed he went 105mph at the drags, Morrie pulled away from this guy and it wasn't even a race. AA impeller running 6800rpm with nitrous button on - What a ride!

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Jet Pumps / Ride plate question
« on: August 26, 2012, 08:59:54 AM »
On the back of most ride plates I have seen there are adjustable support rods attached to the ride plate and jet bowl studs.

What are these called and where can I get a pair?

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Videos (SCJB.tv) / Morning glass on the Parker Strip
« on: August 22, 2012, 09:46:12 PM »
Got my Gopro HD Hero 2

Crusing down the river on smooth water early in the morning  :thumbup:



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Jet Pumps / Fine Tuning My Performance Jet
« on: August 17, 2012, 04:42:37 PM »
Maybe you guys can offer some thoughts on my jet, I've had some time to experiment with my jet set up.

Here's my set up now:
Stock JB intake with sport style loader
Aggessor 9 vane bowl with stuffer
AA Impeller
Place Diverter HP Steering Nozzle
New Place Diverter

I ran 88mph with a stock steering nozzle, 86mph with Place Diverter full droop (Too loose, had to constantly work the steering wheel to keep it straight) and 85mph with the PD HP Steering nozzle. All GPS runs were done on the same stretch of river in the same direction around the same time of day as well.

I know 3 mph could be anything and I'm going to stay with this set up. However, I do want to fine tune this. As I understand it my BBC 468 makes peak HP around 6100rpm. I'm running closer to 5100rpm.

The boat felt quickest with the stock steering nozzle. The difference I see is it closes down more abruptly than the HP nozzle. I thought about a nozzle insert. I didn't know about the FTN option when I bought the place diverter. Is it a different place diverter? Can I get the inserts and try them in mine? I'm not sure I want to go there as I don't think it will make a significant change.

I'm looking to push this into the low 90's. I'm going from 9psi to 12psi on my Procharger. This will help a little. What would be the change if I went with a different impeller cut? Can I get this to run quicker and faster?

I have an idea about a ride plate that starts at the transom. I'm not going to change the intake until next year. How long is a typical ride plate on a Rogers extend past the transom? Maybe 12"?

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Jet Pumps / Who has experience with Nozzle Wedges?
« on: August 13, 2012, 08:23:17 AM »
This is the set up I'm going to run this year.

Agressor 9 vane bowl, AA Impeller, Place Diverter HP Steering Nozzle & new style Place Diverter.

Ran 88mph with stock steering nozzle, 86mph with Place Diverter full Droop, 85mph with Place Diverter HP Steering Nozzle. Same stretch of river with weight very close in boat. I know that 3mph could be anything. The stock steering nozzle feels quicker and the main difference is it narrows much quicker than the droop & HP nozzle.

My thought is a nozzle wedge. I don't want to put to much pressure in the bowl, I'm sure I can shrink it safely a little. My neighbor at the river who has a blown alcohol hydro mentioned the old Agressor bowls blew holes in the upper middle area. Hope I didn't get one of those  :o

Any thoughts form those who have experimented with these would be appreciated?

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The No Wake Zone / Do NOT Pay Cash at Place DIverter
« on: August 07, 2012, 01:49:21 PM »
Here's my story

I have the same boat as the orange Rogers on the Place Diverter website. Who better to talk to than Tim Place. We had good conversations about what I should do next. I drove to his shop (80 miles each way) to look at the full Droop with Ride Plate and his HP Steering nozzle. I have a stock intake so Tim thought the droop might work and the HP steering nozzle definitely will work.

His offer to me was as follows: Try the full droop and ride plate, then run without plate and let Tim know how the boat reacts. The price $450 cash. If it doesn't work come back and he'll trade the parts for the HP steering nozzle and give me $150 cash back. I'm curious about both options so I go with his offer. We shook hands and off I went.

I talk with Tim yesterday to discuss the trade. I did feel like something was up. I drove down to his shop today. Tim changed the deal. First he offered me store credit. Then he told me he would give me $100. I'll I said was you made the deal with me at $150 cash back. Tim made a statement about what other companies stand behind their products like me. UM Tim everyone I do business with and by the way I own my own business and stand behind everything I do. He was obviously annoyed at this.

All I did was ask you to honor the deal you presented to me. Tim Place I look forward to your response here in front of everyone.

I will admit the Place Diverter products are probably the best out there. I like what I have from there. I'm simply telling everyone here to buy their products online with a credit card.

What Tim doesn't know is I had $300 cash in my pocket. I really wanted this exact set up in white for my 21' Cobra. I had to know Tim was going to honor his deal and I would have put the cash back on the table with my $300 on top of it and asked for the parts with a smile.

I've been doing business on a handshake for 25 years now. It's not about the $50. It's about looking into someone's eyes, making a deal and shaking on it. Lesson learned  :banghead:

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Videos (SCJB.tv) / Rogers on The Parker Strip
« on: August 02, 2012, 07:40:13 PM »
I really want a Gopro, but everytime I get close to buying one I decide I'd rather have a $300 boat part  :banghead:

Here's a video off my phone if the link is right

I ran 88 on GPS earlier in the day, one handed wasn't gonna work at that speed so I backed off a little early


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Fuel Pressure Gauge
« on: August 01, 2012, 07:07:14 AM »
Has anyone installed a mechanical fuel pressure gauge in the dash? Don't really want to spend $230 on an electrical gauge. Would be easy to run 3/8 fuel line from pressure regulator up and under dash. Will the reading be as accurate? Had a pressure problem last weekend and don't want to have a passenger to see the reading at the gauge behind me.

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The Parker Strip / Flash Flooding Today
« on: July 31, 2012, 05:17:06 PM »
This was the worst of it on the way home from the strip today. 4 wheel drive with boat in tow, no issues, use the throttle and glide through. Told my sister to wait, they were in a Ford Edge with 2 wheel only. They had to wait an hour for it to settle enough. Been going there over 20 years and this is the worst I've encountered. At least 30 dips with water flowing across right past the stop sign. Straight to 10 freeway or right to 29 Palms. I went to freeway.

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Hulls / Splash Guard
« on: July 20, 2012, 08:52:05 AM »
I want to make a simple splash guard. Thinking about a piece of aluminum 7 1/2" x 36" x 1/8" thick with rounded corners. This would cover the back, I'm not that concerned about the corners. Has anyone made their own? The only easy place I can find a piece of aluminum close to what I need is a Home Depot door kick plate. It's 6" x 34" and a bit less than 1/8" thick.

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Hulls / Rogers Hull Capabilities
« on: July 13, 2012, 07:46:18 AM »
I want to push my Rogers right to the edge of its capabilities  ;D
I don't ever want to experience what happens when you cross that line  :screwy:

I enjoy the quickness more than top speed. If we're in a drag race on the river I'm good with 5 or 6 seconds, if I don't see you we're done  ^-^ I'm only into smooth water in the mornings or late afternoon, although during the week on the Parker Strip smooth conditions can be had all day  8)

I'm running a strong BBC 468. Jet set up is standard 12JB intake and stuffer properly adjusted and bolted (not going to set back any time soon) AA Impeller, JBP 9 Vane Agressor Bowl, Stuffer plate, Standard Steering Adaptor, New Place Diverter.

Ran 88mph on GPS at 5000rpm. Felt really solid and hooked up.

Went to Place Diverter yesterday and met Tim. Really cool guy btw. We talked about both the full Droop with ride plate he makes and the HP Steering nozzle. Droop could be scary, HP Steering nozzle is safe as it won't change a hole lot, but will definetly flow better than the old one I was using.

So I'm gonna try the full droop with ride plate as I don't want to deal with the intake this year. I've spent enough for now  :banghead: Tim being the cool guy he is offered to let me trade it in on the HP Steering nozzle if I don't like it. Now that I see it installed I think this would help my 21' Cobra alot.

Gonna install the ride plate later today set 2 degrees up to start.

Will run it at the river next weekend. Will be there Sat to Tues.

Help me out guys

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Random Boat Parts For Sale / Place Diverter
« on: June 13, 2012, 08:36:22 AM »
Lowered price to sell. Open to offers that would be good to the both of us
$175

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Random Boat Parts For Sale / Polished Place Diverter (Long Style)
« on: June 07, 2012, 06:33:29 AM »
Place Diverter only, No handle or cable

Looking for a fair price, thinking $225

PM me here for contact

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Carb jetting question
« on: June 04, 2012, 08:10:43 PM »
Bought a Quick Fuel Technologies 750 Blow Through for my Procharger a few years ago while running a BBC 454 Magnum at 5 psi of boost.

Now I'm running a 468 that is much stronger than the previous motor. Some highlights of the set up are as follows:
Strong bottom end
JE Flat Top Pistons 8.1 Compression
Comp Cam 11-568-4 Nitrous HP
Comp Pro Magnum Lifters (Stayed flat tappet)
Manley Push Rods
Iron square port heads with ports cleaned up
Teague 1.7 Roller Rockers
Edelbrock Victor Jr (Port matched)
M3 Procharger with 9psi of Boost
Fuel system designed for this application
Bassett Headers (So loud can't even talk at idle)

Ran for a short time at the end of the season to break in and check everything. The spark plugs are white. No pitting or signs of melting, simply white like new.

I want to see a golden brown don't I?

Currently have jet size 76 in primary and 86 in secondary.
I have 77's and 92's sitting in a bag and thinking about trying them. I feel like the secondary's are going to be more important, but want to hear from those with experience setting up HP motors.

I don't have any pics of the plugs right now, will post when I do

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The Parker Strip / Beware of Launch Ramp at Echo Lodge
« on: May 24, 2012, 08:27:30 AM »
They figured a flatter slope would be better.  :screwy: :o ??? ::) :screwy:
They figured wrong.  :thumbdown:
Good Luck!

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Random Boat Parts For Sale / 4" Exhaust Tips
« on: May 07, 2012, 06:12:36 AM »
Good condition. Looking for a fair price for both of us.
PM me here.

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The Parker Strip / Echo Lodge Raises the Rent Again!
« on: April 28, 2012, 07:51:36 AM »
These people have effectively destroyed any potential value of our mobile homes by over pricing the space rents. In their sales package online they are trying to sell the park for $14 Million. Do you know what the sales presentation pushes the most about this park?

NO RENT CONTROL! Charge these poor bastards anything you want, foreclose on their mobiles when they can't afford it anymore then give it to the next poor bastard for a years worth of space rent and do it all over again.

How about that new launch ramp? It SUCKS. :thumbdown:
They didn't hire a professional. :o
They did it without any knowledge of how a launch ramp works. ::)
It's so flat the front of your truck has to be 15 feet below the water line to get your boat to float. :screwy:
A launch ramp at the river must be steep and have a consistent slope for it to work at all you morons! :-\

How about the water coming through the pipes? It's full of nasty crap that destroys everything in your mobile. I have 3 filters in place and it still sucks. There is a canister full of sludge after being there 2 days with only 2 people. I'll take a pic next time and post it.

Why do I stay you ask. I love the location. I simply wanted to vent to total strangers  :banghead:

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Random Boat Parts For Sale / Seats (Blue)
« on: April 28, 2012, 07:19:26 AM »
These seats came out of my 74 Rogers. Replaced with buckets. I'm thinking $425. Really good condition. The pics show how they were in the boat.
PM me.

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Random Boat Parts For Sale / B
« on: October 14, 2011, 08:50:48 AM »
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Projects / Jet pump set up in 74 Rogers
« on: October 08, 2011, 04:41:44 PM »
I understand old school engines like we have in our jet boats. What I'm trying to learn is all about high performance jets. My current engine set up is as follows:
Chevy 468 4-bolt, forged crank, GM heavy duty 7/16 rods
JE Flat Top Pistons & Rings (close to 8-1) Spec'd to Bob Teague's recommendations
Iron square port heads with ports cleaned up (To be replaced with AFR CNC ported heads when money allows) Teague Roller Rockers that fit under stock size valve covers
Edelbrock Victor Jr Intake port matched by me (What fun that was) Aluminum is a pain.
Comp cams 11-568-4  Lift .575 .595 113 degrees lobe seperation. Springs to match (Stayed Hydraulic Flat Tappet) Comp cams Pro Magnum Lifters. Manley push rods
M-3 Pro Charger with intercoller running 9 psi. QFT blow through 750cfm carb. Fuel system set up for this application. MSD ignition.

Engine runs strong to 5800 rpm with the pump that came with the boat. The tag on the pump is worn so I'm not sure which pump I have. It's a polished style with an extension after the bowl that is a foot long with a wedge in place. The bowl goes right up to the transom. I do have hand control to raise and lower jet. I've been taught to position the jet with the water just above water level at full power.

I have heard good things about Cyclone Marine in the SF valley and will go talk to them at some point, but I want to know everything in detail before I do. I'm in Valencia. I'm open to advice on pumps and the set up to acheive maximum push.

Thanks

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Jet Pumps / Building a high performance jet pump
« on: October 08, 2011, 04:37:13 PM »
I understand old school engines like we have in our jet boats. What I'm trying to learn is all about high performance jets. My current engine set up is as follows:
Chevy 468 4-bolt, forged crank, GM heavy duty 7/16 rods
JE Flat Top Pistons & Rings (close to 8-1) Spec'd to Bob Teague's recommendations
Iron square port heads with ports cleaned up (To be replaced with AFR CNC ported heads when money allows) Teague Roller Rockers that fit under stock size valve covers
Edelbrock Victor Jr Intake port matched by me (What fun that was) Aluminum is a pain.
Comp cams 11-568-4  Lift .575 .595 113 degrees lobe seperation. Springs to match (Stayed Hydraulic Flat Tappet) Comp cams Pro Magnum Lifters. Manley push rods
M-3 Pro Charger with intercoller running 9 psi. QFT blow through 750cfm carb. Fuel system set up for this application. MSD ignition.

Engine runs strong to 5800 rpm with the pump that came with the boat. The tag on the pump is worn so I'm not sure which pump I have. It's a polished style with an extension after the bowl that is a foot long with a wedge in place. The bowl goes right up to the transom. I do have hand control to raise and lower jet. I've been taught to position the jet with the water just above water level at full power.

I have heard good things about Cyclone Marine in the SF valley and will go talk to them at some point, but I want to know everything in detail before I do. I'm in Valencia. I'm open to advice on pumps and the set up to acheive maximum push.

Thanks

Thanks

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