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Boats For Sale / Re: 1970 Hawaiian Cobra for sale
« on: September 17, 2012, 06:43:56 AM »
The boat is located in Lakewood CA. I don't own the boat. I just posted it for a customer of mine. You can call him at 562-256-4403 for more details.

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Boats For Sale / Re: 1970 Hawaiian Cobra for sale
« on: August 10, 2012, 06:15:04 AM »
$3000.00 OBO

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Boats For Sale / Re: 1970 Hawaiian Cobra for sale
« on: August 07, 2012, 06:21:12 AM »
My friend said to reduce price to $3000.00. Really needs to move the boat.

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Boats For Sale / Re: 1970 Hawaiian Cobra for sale
« on: July 01, 2012, 06:39:41 AM »
And dont roll the windows down during the trip either  ;D

Sent you an email. Yes it is

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Boats For Sale / Re: 1970 Hawaiian Cobra for sale
« on: June 25, 2012, 06:23:27 AM »
Asking $3800.00 guess I should have mentioned that.

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Boats For Sale / Re: 1970 Hawaiian Cobra for sale
« on: June 24, 2012, 12:24:31 PM »
Not mine, a friends. Something wrong with these?

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Boats For Sale / 1970 Hawaiian Cobra for sale
« on: June 24, 2012, 08:55:26 AM »
the boat is a 1970 Hawaiian Cobra with a 468ci chevy big block with about 10-12 hours on it, Berkley 12jc pump unknown hours, new battery, alternator, starter, fuel pump, $450.00 worth of new A/N fule line and fittings, 5year old interior, trailer is single axle with new tires, tongue jack, lights. boat comes with life jackets oar two person innertube never used. both are currently registered and i have pink slips on both. 562-256-4403 jeremy.

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Hulls / Re: Cavitation plates
« on: June 20, 2012, 07:17:24 AM »
Wow thanks for that post. The second picture is what I would have to do if I was to do it. It is a really shallow boat. No doubt it is a fast hull as in smooth water it would do 65 at 4400RPM with a very very tired engine. On the other hand if the water is the least bit rough you might as well park it. You can't get any speed going and it feels like it is going to break in half not to mention the people inside. Guess I will have to decide if I want to throw any more money at it and put a diverter on it. The sad thing is it really isn't worth much and I have spent much more than I had planned.

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Hulls / Re: Cavitation plates
« on: June 19, 2012, 07:11:34 AM »
I have no intention of racing it just would like to make it more usable until time and money allow me to get a bigger boat. I wasn't planning to spend the money I already have on it. It was purchased back in 06 for 6000.00 as a turn key beginner boat. For the first couple of years it was then the problems started showing up. Carburator, then ignition then pump and now the engine. Was going to just sell it with a blown motor but with this economy I wasn't going to get much or anything for it. Like all my old cars, I am kind of at the point of no return. I still don't see how a couple of plates would cost more than a diverter kit, but so far the experts are saying they are.

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Hulls / Re: Cavitation plates
« on: June 18, 2012, 06:14:22 AM »
I guess it would have to be two small plates as the jet stops you from running one straight across

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Hulls / Re: Cavitation plates
« on: June 17, 2012, 10:15:18 AM »
Why?

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Hulls / Cavitation plates
« on: June 17, 2012, 07:04:31 AM »
A friend of mine who has quite a bit of marine knowledge suggested I put cavitation plates on the back of my boat. He claims it will be faster and smoother in rough water. The boat is a 1977 Rogers Super Cyclone 18. Any thoughts or comments on this.

Thanks,

Rob

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: 454 Cam for jet
« on: March 06, 2012, 07:42:06 PM »
Well I haven't got a lot of input yet on the hull. Learned a few things like at least what model boat it is. I would like to learn more about the hull, what the differance adv/disadv between the Cyclone and Super Cyclone. From pics I have seen here the hulls look different but which is better and for what. I just don't want to get to carried away. Eventually I am going to need and want a bigger boat, but when I think how much fun I have had with a tired motor, what can this boat really do? One thing it will never be good at is dealing with rough water. Just this side of useless.

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: 454 Cam for jet
« on: March 05, 2012, 01:33:51 PM »
If you are only turning a B impeller to 4500 RPM, I don't think you are breaking the 300 HP mark, not by quite a bit....

I have a small block Chevy that will turn a "B" to just over 4500 RPM.... ;)

The cool thing about a jet pump is it's like having a built in dyno... 8)

Take a look at the pump curve charts and I think you will be somewhat disappointed...I'm sort of hoping your tachometer is off... ???

GT

LOL now I know what the misunderstanding is. At the time before it spun a rod bearing I had as much as 60% leakage in some of my cylinders mostly valves but rings werent that good sounding either on the leakdown. Highest cranking pressure was 150 and low was 115 between cylinders. I called it emphysema but it ran pretty hard believe it or not. Says alot I think for the hull for that tired of a motor to still break into the 60's. 4200 was before jet rebuild, intake,headers and reworked distributor. Then it was about 4500. Tach was replaced by the previous owner right before I bought it in 2007. Could be off but I doubt it. I think that is all the motor had left in it. 35 years and never been apart

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: 454 Cam for jet
« on: March 05, 2012, 08:37:28 AM »
Curious what CR you have in it now....

You're looking to pick up over 250 HP by doing a rebuild and a cam change? Hate to say it, but very tall order..Maybe.  :-\

The reason I threw 5,200 RPM at you is because that seems to be the sweet spot for most big block powered jets sporting a Berkeley.

I have seen guys thinking they want to see 6000+ RPM and watched boats running 5K walk right passed them. It's all in  the set up and matching of parts..

Most important, forged pistons and crank with a good set of rods. A two bolt block is adequate, but I would recommend studding the mains and balancing it to within 1-1.5 mils...Studding the mains will require a line hone.

The cam is really part of a bigger picture....carburetor, intake, exhaust and valve size all need to be working in perfect harmony...

If you get the HP to where you think it will be, you may find yourself putting an "A" impeller back in it...


Off to work.   :P

GT

If I am understanding you right you are saying that a 454 Rectangular port HI Perf Block only has 250 HP. I was just basing my estimate on tech articles, Horsepower TV etc. 500HP shouldn't take much with a 454 rectangular port. Is there something I am missing here?

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: 454 Cam for jet
« on: March 05, 2012, 06:46:18 AM »
you can get 6000+ sure. Just depend on how you want or need everything to run. The jet and impellar will make a big impact on rpm too. Check out this http://www.jetboatperformance.biz/pages/Jetdrive_Impeller_calculator.html it might help you out. Oh and comp cams has full kits too since you are doing a rebuild. Here is a kit with the same cam http://www.ebay.com/itm/COMP-Cams-Xtreme-Marine-Cam-and-Lifter-Kit-K11-240-4-/330686188755?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cfe6eccd3&vxp=mtr
Hope that helps  :thumbup:

Pretty interesting. I don't know much about impellars. I was advised by Harmon Marine when they rebuilt my jet to go with a B impellar so that is what it has in it. So going off that program 5500 RPM comes out to 510 HP which I am guesstimating I should be around with this motor. I don't know what speed that comes out to exactly but considering what the boat did before I would think somewhere in the 70's. Not sure how fast you can go safely with my hull. I've only had one accident with it and I don't want to do it again. Combination of speed,turning and rough water the seat tore loose from the stringer and came out of the boat. No doubt my angels had a close eye on me that day.  :P

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: 454 Cam for jet
« on: March 05, 2012, 06:26:02 AM »
Don't need to turn more than about 52-5500 RPM unless you are planning on spending a whole bunch of money on building a pump and have a stupid light hull.... ;)

GT

Well as I mentioned before its a Rogers Super Cyclone. Is that considered a light hull or for that matter a good hull?

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Hulls / Re: 1977 Rogers
« on: March 05, 2012, 06:22:21 AM »
Those are bigger than mine. Now I at least know what chines are. So what are the advatages/disadvantages of these hulls?

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: 454 Cam for jet
« on: March 04, 2012, 09:24:17 AM »
That was one of the cams I was looking at. Is 5200 all you can get out of a jet? I was hoping with a fresh motor and some modifications I could get 6000+ easy out of a 454 but then my knowledge of what can be done with a jet is pretty limited.

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Hulls / Re: 1977 Rogers
« on: March 04, 2012, 09:19:16 AM »
Looks like a deeper hull so I would imagine better in rough water. What are chines?

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / 454 Cam for jet
« on: March 04, 2012, 08:23:35 AM »
I am rebuilding the 454 for my Rogers Super Cyclone. The motor was origional and never apart before. Its a rectangular port 454 high performance casting block and heads. I don't want to go crazy on this one as I have a tendency too on motors and I don't want to be tuning and adjusting all the time out in the water. I have done some mild porting to the heads which are open chamber type. I am running headers, a Team G manifold, 850 Holler DP, and a recurved HEI. The jet is a Berkley that was rebuilt by Harmon Marine a couple of years ago with a B impellar. What would be a good camshaft for this combination? I am going to shoot for around 10.1 compression. When I first got the boat it had a cast iron two plane manifold and transom type exhaust. Motor was pretty tired as was the jet I later found out, but still mustered 62 mph on the river with GPS at 4200rpm. After adding headers, Team G manifold with 1 inch spacer and rebuilding the jet it got up to 4500 rpm. Never GPS checked it but I would guess that is a little better than 65. Don't know what these boats did fresh out of the factory but thought I would make some minor changes for improvements without going to crazy on $$$$ and reliability.

Thanks

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Hulls / Re: 1977 Rogers
« on: March 04, 2012, 07:15:00 AM »
So what is the differance in the hulls?

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Hulls / Re: 1977 Rogers
« on: March 03, 2012, 09:17:31 AM »
It's a Super Cyclone, I've never seen a Cyclone built after around 72. There may be a few out there, but after the Super Cyclone came out not many Cyclone's were built.
18' Super Cyclone and 18'Bonneville share the same bottom.

Thanks. So is the only differance between a Bonneville and Super Cyclone the bubble top then? What is the differance in the hulls. Is one better or should I say better at one thing than another?

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Hulls / Re: 1977 Rogers
« on: March 03, 2012, 07:28:52 AM »
Not sure how to make the pics big on here like Rogers Hopeful. Gets bigger when you click on it.

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Hulls / Re: 1977 Rogers
« on: March 03, 2012, 07:24:53 AM »
Not me in the photos LOL

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