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WTB / Need help finding Beede gauges/
« on: January 21, 2008, 03:19:13 PM »
I'm looking for Beede gauges(platinum's) need help. (tac,oil,fuel,volt,water temp) ;D

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V-Drives / Re: Prop lesson
« on: January 21, 2008, 03:13:39 PM »
They have HUGE pitch props too. My buddy was considering a 30 pitch for his 22' eliminator daytona, he has twin 27's. That blackhawk drive is incredibly efficient, 415 crank HP and the Son-biatch does 87! I have a video of it... The boat we were in was cruising 60, a Carrera 20.5 elite with 700 HP Teague Marine 502.

You see him coming up on us, then all of a sudden takes off.
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=8240712


from in the boat. Water was pretty rough but not blown out.
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=20261788

And of course his old Pantera. The odd child in many ways... blown SBC with a Panther doing 70's+ you can hear the blower spinning as the boat goes by. Sucker would do 7000 RPMs no problem, in the video I think max RPM we hit was 6200. Standard tolerances on a panther I think were .025, this one is at .012. You gas it from 6000 RPMs and the whole boat jumps out of the water with the new engine in it.

http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=3142485
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=3170072
i've got a pair of 30's cut for more rpm(for sale)or trade

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V-Drives / Re: Prop lesson
« on: January 21, 2008, 03:09:49 PM »
Propeller Size
The size of a prop is described using two sets of numbers. These correspond to the diameter and pitch. The pitch always follows the diameter when describing a propeller.

Diameter
The first number listed in a propeller size. Diameter is defined as two times the distance from the center of the hub to the tip of the blade. It can also be looked at as the distance across the circle that the prop would make when working.

Pitch
The last number listed in a propeller size. Technically speaking, pitch is the theoretical distance a prop moves forward in one revolution - assuming there is no "slippage" between the prop blade and the water. In the real world, there is some slippage and therefore the distance advanced is less than the design pitch. Pitch can be visualized as the tightness or looseness of the blades as they swirl around the prop hub. If the blades appear tightly wound and angled sharply inward toward the hub, the pitch is high. If the blades appear loosely wound and angled outward from the hub (that is, they appear flatter), the pitch is low.

Cupping
Many of today's propellers incorporate a cup at the trailing edge of the propeller blade. This curved lip on the propeller allows it to get a better bite on the water. This results in reduced ventilation, slipping, and allows for a better hole shot in many cases. A cupped propeller also works very well where the motor can be trimmed so that the propeller is near the surface of the water. The cup will typically result in higher top end speed on one of these applications.

Ventilation
Air from the water surface or exhaust gases from the exhaust outlet being drawn into the prop blades causes ventilation. When this situation occurs, boat speed is lost and engine RPM climbs rapidly. This occurs most often with high transom mounting, over-trimming the engine, and sharp turns.

Cavitation
Cavitation (which is often confused with ventilation), is a phenomena of water vaporizing or "boiling" due to the extreme reduction of pressure on the back of the propeller blade. Many propellers partially cavitate during normal operation, but excessive cavitation can result in metal erosion or "cavitation burn" to the prop's blade surface. There are numerous causes of cavitation such as incorrect matching of propeller style to application, incorrect pitch, physical damage to the blade edges, etc.

Rake
Rake is the degree that the blades slant forward or backwards in relation to the hub. Rake can affect the flow of water through the propeller, and has implications with respect to boat performance. Aft rake helps to trim the bow of the boat upwards, which often results in less wetted surface area and therefore higher top end speed. Aft rake propellers also typically "bite" better on ventilating type applications. Forward, or negative rake, helps hold the bow of the boat down. This is more common in workboat type applications.



Selecting the Right Propeller For Your Boat and Engine

The best propeller size for your boat and engine combination is based on the recommended operating range at wide open throttle (w.o.t.) for your engine, which you will find in your operator's manual. This will be expressed in terms of a certain horsepower at a certain RPM (revolutions per minute).

The goal in prop selection is to determine what propeller style and size will maximize performance for your boat, while allowing your engine to operate in the recommended RPM range. The correct propeller will prevent the engine from over-revving, yet allow it to reach the minimum RPM where maximum horsepower is produced.

Run the boat/motor at w.o.t. under normal operating load to determine the maximum RPM you are able to obtain. A tachometer is necessary for this test. Adjust the motor trim angle for the optimum performance. If during this test, you begin to exceed the maximum rated RPM of the engine, reduce throttle setting to a position where maximum RPM is not exceeded.

If your test results in your being able to over-rev the engine, you need to increase the pitch of the propeller. Increasing the pitch increment by 1" will result in approximately a 200 RPM drop. If your testing shows, however, that you are only able to obtain a RPM somewhat lower than the maximum rating given by your engine manufacturer, you would need to decrease pitch. Decreasing pitch would increase your RPM.



Example:


Operating Range = 5000-5600 RPM
Top End of Operating Range = 5600 RPM
Tachometer Reading = 4800 RPM

Difference = 800 RPM


For every 1" of pitch size, the effect will be approximately 200 RPM. Knowing this, take the difference in the above example at 800 and divide it by 200. The result is 4. The prop to use will be 4" in pitch less than the prop that was used.

 


Switching from an uncupped to a cupped propeller will also reduce your RPM. The cupped propeller of the same pitch and diameter will typically reduce your RPM by approximately 200.

Once your wide open throttle RPM falls within the recommended range of the engine manufacturer, you have a propeller that is suited correctly for your boat with respect to RPM. If you use your boat for fishing, cruising and skiing, one prop probably won't do all three things equally well. It is best in circumstances like this to have two propellers. One to accommodate one set of circumstances and the other to perform best under the different load. It could, in fact, be that more than one propeller would be suitable for your boat and motor combination depending on your usage. It is imperative, however, that the wide open throttle RPM fall within the range specified by your engine manufacturer


 

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V-Drives / Re: Prop lesson
« on: January 21, 2008, 02:50:49 PM »
ok, 3 blade prop (my boat)
(3 blade) 14.5x22 pushes it to 108mph at 10,000rpm,
(4 blade) 14.5x22 pushes it to  95mph at 9,000rpm.
(3 blade) 14.5x28 pushes it to   95mph at 8,200rpm,
(4 blade) 14.5x28 pushes it to  89mph at 7,200rpm(it will blow up)

so, it takes more power to push a bigger pitched prop.
Plus it also takes more power to push a bigger diameter prop too.
I haven't tried a 5 or 6 blade prop let ( to pricey)

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V-Drives / Re: Prop lesson
« on: January 21, 2008, 02:42:34 PM »
They make a 2,3,4,5,and 6 blade props ;D 2 blade are for like v-drive

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V-Drives / Re: Prop lesson
« on: January 20, 2008, 07:53:14 PM »
I've been asked a few times about props and my knowlege of them is very limited . I understand what the (for example) 14 x 16 means . For the intents of learning something , could someone enlighten us on these numbers in coralation to a propeller .

The diffrences between the round ear props and the cleaver props . I'm sure there are more question but hopefully common sense will answer some others .

-beerjet-
the 14 in the diameter and the 16 is the pitch. small the diameter faster it turns, also the smaller the pitch the faster you can spin it. Something like that. O0

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V-Drives / Re: Prop lesson
« on: January 20, 2008, 07:48:49 PM »
not true. you can fix a stainless prop ;D

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The No Wake Zone / Re: Jet to V-Drive conversion....
« on: January 20, 2008, 07:47:11 PM »
just keep it a jet and put a diesel engine in it >:D Safe on gas O0

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WarZone / Re: go chargers
« on: January 20, 2008, 03:00:37 PM »
game over, chargers lose

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WarZone / Re: go chargers
« on: January 20, 2008, 02:57:26 PM »
games over, with 9 mins left O0

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Projects / Re: New Addition to the SCJB Family...
« on: January 20, 2008, 02:55:59 PM »
that's the funniest thing I've seen let :D ;D O0

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Projects / Re: New Addition to the SCJB Family...
« on: January 20, 2008, 11:19:56 AM »
B-rad, Your start to be like Rod! >:D You're on the way to be the next Sanford ;D

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WTB / Re: I need some parts for a Chevy small block?
« on: January 20, 2008, 11:16:50 AM »
thanx, but I've got the old flanges now. I just didnt want to make them, like the alternator backet. Thanx again

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The No Wake Zone / Re: I think I'm goin crazy...
« on: January 20, 2008, 11:04:39 AM »
But I thought Warlock was your partner! ;D

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: alternator mounting
« on: January 19, 2008, 09:37:09 PM »
Rod, give it up! that boat doesnt have a motor in it! ;D

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Lets talk Mopar Rods
« on: January 19, 2008, 12:02:45 PM »
Absolutely.  440 stuff, 360 stuff, 318 stuff is all cheap.

There's only a few exceptions, Hemi, 340.

I've built BBC, BBF, and BBD and they're all about the same prices
hahahahahahahah, now that's funny Plus Rod doesnt know about mopar's ;D

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SoCal Lakes / Re: Lake Casitas.....no more boats allowed ?
« on: January 19, 2008, 12:00:49 PM »
San Vincente is going to close, So they can add more to the dam. I think the lake will be close for 5 years. They are going to double the size of the old dam.

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The No Wake Zone / Re: Ok I fed them...
« on: January 19, 2008, 10:16:16 AM »
you've got new friends for LIFE  ;D

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The No Wake Zone / Re: New shop toy
« on: January 16, 2008, 08:01:44 PM »
Now if you would just use it! >:D And stop sitting on your a$$ ;D

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The No Wake Zone / Re: New shop toy
« on: January 16, 2008, 03:37:32 PM »
just drive over to Rod's ;D

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WarZone / Re: Warlock always wanted
« on: January 16, 2008, 03:35:59 PM »
And that's Hollywood laying down ;D

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The No Wake Zone / Re: New shop toy
« on: January 16, 2008, 04:27:49 AM »
flour ;D

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WarZone / Re: Warlock always wanted
« on: January 15, 2008, 03:38:45 PM »
I like this one http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/boa/540216256.html

That's what every jet boat needs(a outboard kicker motor) HAHAHAHA

So when you blow up the jet, you can still get back home with the kicker motor(aka outboard) ;D

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WarZone / Re: Warlock always wanted
« on: January 15, 2008, 03:34:12 PM »
Hi, I'm Warlock and I'm gay ;D

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WarZone / Re: Warlock always wanted
« on: January 15, 2008, 02:49:34 PM »
dont be a hater! :o Just because you cant think outside of the box! ;D

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