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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Mo' RPeeeeeM's?
« on: September 30, 2010, 03:40:34 PM »
I'm not going to get all technical into why I agree Proppy and GT are right on all this. PM me if you want that whole storm. lol.

Leave it at this, T/R's in general are very high rpm only devices that require a TON of compression, Cam, fuel (Both pressure and volume), and forethought into their setup. Not many of these things are very conducive to the Oldsmobile engine, I'm sorry to say.

Vacuum secondary vs mechanical, I run vac, and run inline because I beleive there's inherent bank to bank rich/lean conditions running larger carbs sideways unless you run 1:1 as Proppy does (Firing order comes into play........its a LONG thought process and reasoning behind this).

There's an inherent hate for vac secy's here that really is unfounded, even on T/R's. Trick is spring selection, and that's probably the ONLY info you will gather with a Vacuum Guage that might help with that. Other than that, a Vac guage I don't see doing much for you that a can of WD40 can't in checking for leaks. I did it through trial and error, and the weird setup I have. I duplicated this so my "ship" will have twin setups the same way on 2 engines and jets! Thanks to Proppy and Jim Brock I was able to replicate that arrangement.  :thumbup:

The only real insight as to how a T/R is working and to tune it is throttle response, reading your plugs, and performance. You will do this MANY times setting one up right. 2 of those are seat of the pants measurements, only 1 a technical measurement, if you notice. Yes, on a jet boat, pump setup will have a LOT to do with it, just as in a drag car, gearing and tranny issues are involved as well.

Single 4 BBL Tunnel Rams, regardless of what engine and carb on them, IMHO and don't take this the wrong way, are like watching someone else get laid. You get an insight as to what it's all about, you get to be in the room for the show, but you don't get to experience the actual thrill of it for yourself!

Stick with what works on the Olds. A good hi-rise single plane, large carb, cam and compression to work with it, then the pump must match that. I also have a Jacuzzi/Olds combo that will be going through some "changes" over the winter (Among other projects going on). It will stay Jacuzzi/Olds, but as far as where it will end up? A very decent and reliable Hot Rod, but probably nowhere near as fast as others I have laying around.

My .02

Ray

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Project Boats For Sale / Re: 1984 hondo picklefork
« on: September 29, 2010, 08:36:46 PM »

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Boats For Sale / Re: Craigslist & ebay boats
« on: September 29, 2010, 08:19:07 PM »
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/boa/1980887730.html   Lets just drop it in the pool for a little tuning.
 

 

I've been trying to think of an easy way to do just that! LOL!

Ray

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WarZone / Re: Quick jokes
« on: September 27, 2010, 12:55:50 AM »
Dang John...  It looks like you left out the old and the retarded  >:D  ;)

LMAO!!!!! True he did! I'm not gonna get into where I would gone beyond that, but, Damn man!!!!! Funny chit!

Ray

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Projects / Re: Bebo's 1983 Crusader Bubbledeck
« on: September 27, 2010, 12:38:36 AM »
Whoa that's a first.   I thought for sure Ray was gonna try to buy this one too.   ::)

LOL! No Ray's just bought his last boat!............For awhile.............

Ray

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Projects / Re: Bebo's 1983 Crusader Bubbledeck
« on: September 26, 2010, 10:24:31 PM »
I'm very proud of both of you guys! I think everyone on this site is!

Could very well be the flagship boat I beleive we need around here and at the "unofficial" gatherings to liven things up a bit. In point of fact, I kinda used Frank and Bebo's story in a regional presentation a couple weeks ago when I was being questioned about MY boats.

I think I started with, "lemme answer that by telling you about the boat I'm most proud of.............it's not mine and it has NOTHING to do with me, I only know about it first hand..........."  I'm not gonna get into what the question was, but it was an attempt to slam me.  >:D

Keep it up guys!  :thumbup:  And GET THE THING WET!!!!!!

Ray

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: What oil should I run?
« on: September 26, 2010, 10:02:07 PM »
Ray, what purpose does high zinc oil serve in a roller cam motor?

Missed the tail end of this due to work.

Glenn is right on the "depends" part, the synthetic part (Synthetics are great! But need to be run from the word go really, regardless of what the oil manufacturer says), and more info needed part. First thing to know is what the oil pressure ran before the change, but you prolly don't know that.

I'd think you're safer with a 10w30 than a heavier oil myself, and see what pressures build. If it turns out low oil pressure, particularly at temp, then maybe a heavier oil should be considered (Worn or really loose engine). Ralph and Glenn both pointed out oil temp, which is another important factor that I only have direct info from, well now 2, people. Moo's getting an oil temp guage and cooler only because engine oil will be routed through the blower gears as well. With 12 quarts in the thing, I don't forsee an issue with oil temps, but I'm overly cautious with what that boat is about to become.

Main reason I'd run high zinc oils even in a full roller motor is twofold. The zinc Di-whatever it is, has a plating effect on less than perfect or galled surfaces and even pitted surfaces, for one, adding also to rust prevention (It is the primary ingredient to galvanizing) from short to long term storage which all of our boats are victim. Second, it also has a cushioning effect on mating parts adding durability to lifter/cam interfaces and many more. It can't hurt, so why not?

I'm not saying run out and spend $120 a case for oil. VR1 racing oil is cheap, really, given all that we put these jet boats through, and tend to run them from 4000-5000 rpm 90% of the time, their cooling system, etc, etc, your initial question becomes far less "matter of fact" than you think.

Ray

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: What oil should I run?
« on: September 25, 2010, 09:18:11 PM »
the weight oil i run is relitive to the bearing clearance that i run, larger clearance thicker oil. the crank and rods dont ever touch the bearings so the oil is all you got.

if you dont think that your oil temps match whats in your car, just wait till you put a temp sensor in your pan. i had to switch to synthetic oil because my temps were getting to the 250 range.

That's kindof the info I been looking for Ralph!  :thumbup: as I said, No oil temp sensors on my boats in the past.  Working off what I been told.

BUT, and I'm asking, you're a mentor to me, is this in the "family boat"? I seem to remember we had a conversation about water temps one weekend as well, and it would amaze me you were seeing those kindof oil temps when your water temp was nowhere near what Moo's was. Would shock me that oil temps exceeded 50% of what water temps read though. 

What viscosity were you running? first of all? and what?

And second, and I guess my point in all this, which is late  getting to it, is that pressure is important, to force the oil to the oil orifices, travels and galleys, etc instead of the path of least resistance. The balance is control of where it goes. or some semblence of control of where it goes. THAT relates directly to oil temp and viscosity.

You did well illustrate why Moo's first engine failed though, in the clearance end of it, I learned more than something from you about that!   ;)

Ray


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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: What oil should I run?
« on: September 25, 2010, 08:41:33 PM »
Search it on the web.

http://shop.joegibbsracingoil.com/cat-34-1-16/Hot%20Rod%20Oil.htm

Shipping is nothing. Use their Break-in Oil first on a fresh motor though, JMO. I still order it on the web, even though Farmergord gets it shipped to him from a local PHX speed shop (That does NOT stock it for me........ :banghead:) and Marcsrollin is keepin it all to himself at his shop in El Cajon........J/K Marc!.........yes, Rotella diesel oil is used a LOT in breaking in engines. In point of fact, its what my diesel pickup uses day to day. Diesels are NOT Hot Rod engines, however.   :sly:

Older motor though, honestly, isn't going to benefit much from the buck or better a case. Save the money for a future build or rebuild and use the lowest viscosity VR1 Off Road or Racing traditional. I think you'll be fine and Auto-Zone sells it. Don't want to put the engine into shock, and honestly, I think synthetics results are best realized when run from a fresh motor. Mixing the two can be very bad.

Straight weight oil, in ANY FORM of racing today is a VERY bad idea. I was told the Nascar boys do this recently. It would SHOCK me if true. Refer to the previous post or PM me as to why if it's not apparent. Straight weight oil is ONLY for Generators, compressors, and older farm/construction equipment that operate at the SAME controlled temp and RPM for many many hours at a time......

Ray

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: What oil should I run?
« on: September 25, 2010, 07:44:30 PM »
There's what, 2400 Members on here? You're likely to get close to that in opinions.

There's many on here that swear by Amsoil, Many more by VR-1 (Off road racing stuff only, particularly if you're running hydraulic or mechanical flat tappets), and a handful of us that I know of that are running the Joe Gibbs stuff. The reason for this stuff is make SURE you're running oils with high zinc content, and I don't care if you're running flat tappets or a full roller motor, run high zinc! The zinc is removed from street oils for emiisions reasons only!!!!

Your choice onto brand, but honestly, I'd run lower viscosity than 20w50, more like the 10w30 or lower if running VR1.

And heres why on a jet boat. This is gonna get long, and I'm sorry and famous for that. Gord and I had an even LONGER conversation about this awhile ago.

Jet boats do NOT see water or oil temps anywhere near street use temps. 160-180 is pretty much on the high side for most of us as far as water temps, my boats don't seem to break the 140 mark usually (Hot/cold out, don't seem to matter, that's the water temp they read). Oil temp I've never measured (Moo will), but Marcsrollin tells me all of his oil temps have been about 50 degrees above that. I'll take his word. Why this is important, and part of the reason why looser clearances are required on marine engines is, that Viscosity is actually a measurement of resistance to a major extent.

The number Before the W is the cold operating temp viscosity and the number after, the "hot" ,or running temp, viscosity. Generally, the broader the range the better, but in our case a little bit different. I've run both Moo and Pickle in both 115* plus weather and 65* minus weather. Water temps VERY reflective of the ambient temps, and oil pressures and water temps remain pretty much constant no matter what. Much like a car engine, where the op temps SHOULD remain somewhat the same in winter and summer if the cooling system and thermostat are in good condition. That's why the 5w30 and 10w30 in extreme swing climates for cold starting and warm-up.

On a jet boat, I am hard pressed to understanding why anyone would run higher cold viscosity oils (The number before the W) or even "gasp" straight weight oils (I've actually been recommended this), like VR1-50. The oil pressure WILL grow, granted, but lets be honest, what is considered adequate oil pressure? If I run normally 45 PSI, given a good solid oil pump, I can easily hit 75 PSI simply by changing the oil involved. Something to think about when buying a craigslist boat. Again, Oil pressure is RESISTANCE in the system. There's too low oil pressure, and there's way too high, IMHO. 

Personally, I run 10w30 Joe Gibbs Hot Rod oil. I wish they made a 5w30 or even a 5w20 synthetic, myself, because it is my firm beleif that my boats maintain 65-80 PSI oil pressure due to operating temp, and are not coming anywhere even near to close to the 30W limit of it. Lower viscosity, and slightly lower pressures mean the proper oil is not only getting where it needs to go, but is cycling through the system, and the twin filters, much more often. AND putting less stress on the timing set and oil pump and shaft in the process.

I'll wait for one or more of the engine guru's to chime in with better info or clarity. My info is from my one on one interaction with Pennzoil and Quaker State lab techs I had regularly back in the 80's. BUT, I will state this. I think 50 or so PSI is a target at operating temp on a fresh engine with a lower viscosity oil and a high volume oil pump, regardless of brand or application.

Ray




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Project Boats For Sale / Re: 1980 Eliminator river cruiser
« on: September 25, 2010, 06:35:30 PM »
I find myself more interested in that trailer than anything.......... :screwy:

Ray

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Topock / Laughlin / Re: Columbus Day Weekend 2010
« on: September 25, 2010, 06:23:11 PM »
Hey you guys I haven't been to that part of the river before, are dry headers  and no mufflers gonna be a problem ?
Also do you have to wait to launch in the am,  or is the water up in the morning.   I know FNG askin' questions. geesh  ::)

You should be perfectly fine. Just have someone distract the launch ramp security guy if you're gonna attempt a shot at roosting the bridge.........

I still contend I did NOT hit it, and he didn't actually see Mike actually dousche the hell out of the thing (Too busy yelling at me), but saw the water dripping from the bridge.......we both got an earful anyways...... ::)

Last year, we waited, mostly for everyone to get up, get breakfast and hangovers TCO. I think we coulda been on much earlier than we were. Bowrider and Rivertard were just there the past weekend, they'd know better what the conditions are right now though.

Ray

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Jet Pumps / Re: 90w oil in bowl
« on: September 24, 2010, 10:18:27 AM »
I am putting heads on the rebuilt motor this weekend, maybe in a month I should have it ready to take out to see what she does. Keep you r fingers crossed thats all it needs.  Impeller looked good and no play in shaft and it spins freely, it has been sitting for a eight years waiting for the owner to get out of prison but its was not looking like he will be out anytime soon and with leagle bills if he was released she said her husband could not afford to repair.  There loss was my gain.  I will let ya know when and where if you would like to know.

Ah hell, I'll meet ya out there! Won't be the first time I towed a boat in! Then again, I think I been the towee more than I been the tow-er so, lol!

Ray

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Boats For Sale / Re: Craigslist & ebay boats
« on: September 24, 2010, 10:15:09 AM »
I guess the place to get some of the REALLY GOOD drugs must be in Arkansas........... :screwy:

Or MAYBE, Just maybe, the laws of physics and reason do not apply there.............Wait a minute............where was Bill Clinton from again..........

Ray

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WarZone / Re: Made WHERE ???
« on: September 24, 2010, 09:59:36 AM »
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Pat, you're not too far off, but the regulations are beginning to take hold in other countries and it won't be long before you will be fined for farting indoors... :sly:

GT


God I hope not Ill be in real trouble

LOL! THAT is Scarey man!

My intent with the NAFTA comment was kindof tied into what GC is saying. The entire thing, under the guise of promoting free trade and good will to our northern and southern neighbors, was really a heavily lobbied big money effort for big business to be able to move manufacturing operations to Mexico. Almost a 3rd world country where, with no tarrifs, parts and products can be manufactured at less than 25% of the cost of doing it here. It's all about THEIR bottom line and shareholder value, and THAT makes their bonuses. If anyone works for a large corporation, and I do and have, do not ever think the PR they feed you that they are working for you is true. I haven't met ONE that would be the least bit generous unless it was a tax write-off and got their name publicized some way.

Really has nothing to do with or for Canada. I grew up near a GM plant (Lordstown), and nearby was Delphi/Packard in Warren, Ohio that made all the electronics and wiring harnesses for the cars and trucks not only built there, but for several other plants. They're gone. To where? Juarez, Mexico, where, and get this, most of the children of the workers walk the border to school everyday to El Paso, Texas, America! Who's paying for THAT! We are! NAFTA!! Read the fine print.

UAW to blame? A big part of it, to be sure, but corporate greed has a lot more to do with it. I think I made the point on here once that 30 years ago, CEO's and top Execs from Fortune 500 companies made around 20 to 30 times the median wage of the companies they ran. The last peek into this was in 2005 that I saw and they make somewhere upwards of 200 times the same number..........and THAT is an average of much fewer employees! Unions can be blamed for a lot, but corporate, and individual greed has done far more damage to American business than anything Jimmy Hoffa could have ever done.

Ray

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Jet Pumps / Re: 90w oil in bowl
« on: September 24, 2010, 09:28:38 AM »
You're in good hands! So when/where ya takin it out?

Ray

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Boats For Sale / Re: Craigslist & ebay boats
« on: September 24, 2010, 08:53:08 AM »

Saw this boat a couple weeks ago on CL and I have to say I still LIKE IT!  

Gonna go take a gander at it this afternoon. Need it like I need a hole in the head, but something about those T-Decks gives me wood every time!

Ray

They "notched" the gunnels Keith.......Not real keen on that, but looks like clean work doing it.  :thumbup:

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Boats For Sale / Re: Craigslist & ebay boats
« on: September 24, 2010, 12:13:43 AM »
Anybody wanna give Crewcheif a run for his money?

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/boa/1969792812.html

Ray

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Hulls / Re: Help with the Hallett
« on: September 23, 2010, 11:52:06 PM »
Who you kidding? was 102 today here. Summer ain't over 'til my nuts turn bluer than they already are when I jump in the water...... :screwy:

Even then, I been known to hit the lake anyway.......Thanksgiving has been my newest ritual I have started, kindof nice to have the lake to yourself........But then again I'm an idiot sooooooo.........it WORKS!

Ray

There's actually sublime reasons behind the Thanksgiving float tho, lol.

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Topock / Laughlin / Re: Columbus Day Weekend 2010
« on: September 23, 2010, 11:38:20 PM »
Be careful what you wish for . . . when we all get together, strange and no so wonderful things seem to happen.  I was gonna link up the McIntyre trip, but on second thought naaaaw.
Don't be skeered Wetnreck, c'mon in the water's fine.

Oh Stop it! The whole incidents at McIntyre were blown out of proportion..........kinda......... Brads right, you're scaring the noobs........and the natives for that matter....... ;)

It certainly was memorable though!  :beer:

Any and all are welcome! Bring it! Looks to me like we have at least half again more boats this year than last, and should bring even more memorable moments!  :sly:

Ray

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V-Drives / Re: Miller Flat bottom
« on: September 23, 2010, 11:30:11 PM »
I'd prolly jump on it if it looks decent. But that's just me and what gets me into trouble......

Ray

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Engine Mechanical / Electrical / Re: Nordies New Mill
« on: September 23, 2010, 11:26:51 PM »
I have all three and really can't bitch about any of them! Spent a lot of time this summer in Pickle (Chebbie) and the Charger (Olds). Neither as fast or quick as Moo was, but neither was built the same way either. Charger's getting a solid refresh and updates over the winter while the guys get busy on the Shrimpin boat (They been slacking). Pickles staying the way she is or being sold.

I'd give a nut to see what Nordies new momo would do in Pickle tho!  ;)

Ray

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Projects / Re: Pat's Tunnel Project
« on: September 23, 2010, 11:14:43 PM »
Holy Crap! Countersunk and everystuffs! Clean work Pat!  :thumbup:

Ray

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The No Wake Zone / Re: lake pleasant??
« on: September 23, 2010, 11:12:27 PM »
That would be awesome...I did not konw if they would want us squirt boats out there and the sweet sound of big blocks running up and down.

Wait 'til I get kicked off Saguaro and Bartlett for running zoomies......... >:D

Then I may well HAVE to drive out of town to go play hard!  :screwy:

Ray

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Projects / Re: Pickles new pipes
« on: September 23, 2010, 11:06:43 PM »
PM sent.

Ray

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